Roach to insist drug testing for the Mosley fight

Not fighting in Cowboys stadium, Schafer even skipped a meeting with JJ. So I take it now you going to correct me right? But, is no biggie since team Pac agreed at the end to fight in Vegas. But, Texas was something that GBP did not want due to the deal they have with MGM. But, that is neither here nor there and it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. The other stuff you wrote is just nonsense and basic flaming. You trying to turn this into childish debate. Wow, if anybody needed to be absolutely sure, the ruling stands, you're a Pac rider. Especially seeing that they both were in agreement of the site being in Vegas until Pacquiao received all the attention from not accepting testing, that's when Arum decided to bring up Texas... There was more money to be made in Vegas. I'm ashamed of you. Your quality of posts ceases to amaze.

Okay, what did Mayweather not accept? Please explain so you can be corrected. Basically isn't actually, grammar 101. They ask for tests, hypocrites at work. They get the media to sweep the latest statement under the rug, they save face with riders such as yourself. I feel embarrassed for you just because you keep reiterating this tired response as if it actually works. It reminds me of kids covering their ears saying "La la la la la la la la...." And there it is folks, the final straw. Pac rider confirmed. Not fighting in Cowboys stadium, Schafer even skipped a meeting with JJ. So I take it now you going to correct me right? But, is no biggie since team Pac agreed at the end to fight in Vegas. But, Texas was something that GBP did not want due to the deal they have with MGM. But, that is neither here nor there and it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. The other stuff you wrote is just nonsense and basic flaming. You trying to turn this into childish debate.

Not all, but most. Okay, what did Mayweather not accept? Please explain so you can be corrected. Really cuz you basically said is a bad move. That in this case there should be no blood testing at all...I can bring up the post if you want? Basically isn't actually, grammar 101. They ask for tests, hypocrites at work. They get the media to sweep the latest statement under the rug, they save face with riders such as yourself. Because, he was either juicing, ducking, or didn't want to be dictated to. But, again if he is coming around to the idea of OST, that is a good thing right? Or should he keep being stubborn and not take OST ever? I feel embarrassed for you just because you keep reiterating this tired response as if it actually works. It reminds me of kids covering their ears saying "La la la la la la la la...." Right, you sure about that? Fine OK...I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were a boxing fan. But, you're more interested in having a Floyd vs Pacquiao agenda. So this convo is over. And there it is folks, the final straw. Pac rider confirmed.

Let's make this real simple... How are you going to demand something from someone else that you won't even do yourself? Telling USADA when they can come to test you is not random and telling them how many times they can test you in training camp is not random. Is Manny taking the same tests as Mosley, or is he only making Mosley take additional test? I'm pretty sure that is going to be the same NSAC test.

If it is OST with a 7 day cut off...Is it hypocritical? Do we not want Pac to step up to the plate? If he fights Martinez(which he wont) and ask for the same OST will that be hypocritical also? Do we not want him to come around to the idea of OST? Or do we want him to stay stubborn and just say no to OST? Let's make this real simple... How are you going to demand something from someone else that you won't even do yourself? Telling USADA when they can come to test you is not random and telling them how many times they can test you in training camp is not random. Is Manny taking the same tests as Mosley, or is he only making Mosley take additional test?

Mayweather accepted all of them. Not all, but most. Nobody has posted it being a "bad thing." Those are your words and your words only. I'm trying extremely hard to assume that you're not slow, but there's a difference between it being a "bad thing" and "hypocritical" which the consensus draws the latter. So Pacquiao does request extra testing, just dandy.... Really cuz you basically said is a bad move. That in this case there should be no blood testing at all...I can bring up the post if you want? why didn't you agree to extra testing for Mayweather. That's the point, is it translating yet, or do you want to continue "playing" middle school poster? Because, he was either juicing, ducking, or didn't want to be dictated to. But, again if he is coming around to the idea of OST, that is a good thing right? Or should he keep being stubborn and not take OST ever? Right, because last December you were professing how much you wanted Pacquiao to agree to testing... pathetic. Right, you sure about that? Fine OK...I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were a boxing fan. But, you're more interested in having a Floyd vs Pacquiao agenda. So this convo is over.

Of course he didn't and props to Floyd for accepting some of Pac demands that went beyond the commission rules. Mayweather accepted all of them. However, again if Pac takes OST with Shane(which I repeat he will not) but for argument sake he does? How is that a bad thing? And, if he does it how can he turn around and say no to Floyd in the future? Nobody has posted it being a "bad thing." Those are your words and your words only. I'm trying extremely hard to assume that you're not slow, but there's a difference between it being a "bad thing" and "hypocritical" which the consensus draws the latter. So Pacquiao does request extra testing, just dandy.... why didn't you agree to extra testing for Mayweather. That's the point, is it translating yet, or do you want to continue "playing" middle school poster? Again we demanded for him to take these tests, now if he does is not good enough? That is just plain idiotic to me. Right, because last December you were professing how much you wanted Pacquiao to agree to testing... pathetic.

haha gotta laugh at this

One word : Hypocritical!

mosley admitted before he uses steroids... it just makes sense... your a dumb f*ck if you cannot figure it out... funny thing that could happen: pacquiao will submit himself to random blood testing when he faces mosley (no cutoffs, etc.), but still will not budge on floyd's own demand of random testing when they start to negotiate for the 3rd time...

Yeah because I'm sure Mayweather thoroughly enjoyed submitting to Pacquiao scroll of requests. Of course he didn't and props to Floyd for accepting some of Pac demands that went beyond the commission rules. Floyd should be commended for that no doubt. However, again if Pac takes OST with Shane(which I repeat he will not) but for argument sake he does? How is that a bad thing? And, if he does it how can he turn around and say no to Floyd in the future? Again we demanded for him to take these tests, now if he does is not good enough? That is just plain idiotic to me.

This is a timeline of excuses regarding drug testing from TEAM PACQUIAO beginning after the Cotto fight at the end of 2009 :sad2: December 11: Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want. December 14: Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes. December 22: Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight. Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight. In that same day, Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.” How is HGH test done? More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture. December 23: Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing. Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs. December 24: Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn. December 25: Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday. NYDailyNews. Tim Smith, This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye. December 26: Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. December 28 Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court. December 30: Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons. David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test. David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward. Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones. David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad. Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH. David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test? Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine. So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not. Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't. Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. :lol1: Wow, just... wow. Stellar.

Because, he was either juicing, ducking, or just didn't want to be dictated to. Yeah because I'm sure Mayweather thoroughly enjoyed submitting to Pacquiao's scroll of requests.

Pac's team has tried to make it like its all Mayweathers fault and now, if he asks for extra tests with Mosley, I'm sure the media or Pac's minions still won't call him out on any of this. We could've had this fight almost a year ago, if Pac had just agreed. Floyd made concessions, Pac didn't and I don't get why Pac isnt called on this stuff. Pacquiao will win the noble peace prize for requesting of Mosley. You are right that boxing fans should want this. 100%, but why aren't u calling bulls*it on the fact that Pac wouldnt do this b4. The guy isn't a boxing fan. He's 100% for this, now, because it's Pacquiao's side talking about testing. Don't get them misconstrued.

I hope this shiit isn't true, because it's indefendable, the word hypocrite is too small for this shiit... The word irony doesn't even come close, Even the best spinners can spin this shiit. No bull at all, Ray. No bull at all.

This is a timeline of excuses regarding drug testing from TEAM PACQUIAO beginning after the Cotto fight at the end of 2009 :sad2: December 11: Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want. December 14: Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes. December 22: Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight. Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight. In that same day, Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.” How is HGH test done? More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture. December 23: Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing. Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs. December 24: Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn. December 25: Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday. NYDailyNews. Tim Smith, This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye. December 26: Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. December 28 Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court. December 30: Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons. David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test. David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward. Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones. David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad. Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH. David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test? Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine. So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not. Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't. Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. :lol1: / Thread..............

He must be really scared of a fighter with skills with decent hand speed!!! http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=641071&publicationSubCategoryId=69 This is one one of those PR stunts that get the ignorant fans and the casual fans to say, "I told you Pac will take the drug tests with any fighter", But all the knowledgeable fans already know the truth. Roach is insisting on taking a test that will already be in place, the NSAC test. Spare us. When the headline reads: "PAC AND SHANE WILL BE TESTING OST FOR THEIR FIGHT", like Shane already did for his fight with Floyd, then that's big news!

Even if Mosley is a proven cheat, Pacquiao and Roach look like some fucking clowns demanding the same shit from Mosley that Floyd is demanding from them.

let the commision do thier jobs I agree.. but I'm sure Mosley will do it for the $$$

LOL @ flomos believing that Shane one day just woke and said "I think I will tell the world I am a PEDs user." He was in front of a judge and was associated with the man on trial dolts,,, He got caught Grand Jury.....look it up son!!! Also look up the powers a grand jury has. Shane was never caught. Vic Conte was, and Shane was associated with Conte as were many people. Association does not equal guilt in the eyes of the law. There was indeed no evidence against Shane Mosley. He never failed any commission mandated test (how could he with Conte running the show against a system he describes as garbage and wide open enough to drive a truck through). He admitted to taking PED's after being subpoenaed by the grand jury. It was either lie, rolling the dice and hoping Conte didn't implicate him as a client, or tell the truth and take his medicine then and there, rather than serve time for perjury (at a grand jury testimony no less). GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!!