After watching last nights fight do you think Hopkins is on steroids?

http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/a/HGH_aging.htm Here's an interesting article on hgh and it's anti-aging effects. Could this be what hopkins takes?

I know you're just figuratively speaking but for the record, I actually play chess as well. Go to the gameroom and check rankings, go to chess, i'm in the top 10. I don't even like Checkers. The one who was always against better testing was you. You have said plenty of times "I only want the tests the commission does". I actually saw you saying that just earlier this week. For some reason you have changed your tune. 'Flomos' have always been the one's who want better testing. You asking me if I want better testing it's like asking a kid if he wants a Christmas present. I have never been against better testing. I was always against testing for just one fight. But I've always been for better testing for everyone. Better testing for one fight doesn't do anything for the sport as a whole. Better testing for everyone does.

lol my back to the wall, I play chess kid. You guys play checkers. In regards to Pacquiao, I've never said he wasn't on anything. I've always said he has no reason to take any tests that aren't mandated by the commission. You guys, made PEDs an issue because your hero brought the whole thing up. You, nor anyone else ever made mention of them because you never cared, ever. As it is, if you think one guy is on them, you must suspect everyone else as nobody is doing any kind of extra testing. Now, as a fan of boxing, Do you want better testing in boxing or not? I know you're just figuratively speaking but for the record, I actually play chess as well. Go to the gameroom and check rankings, go to chess, i'm in the top 10. I don't even like Checkers. The one who was always against better testing was you. You have said plenty of times "I only want the tests the commission does". I actually saw you saying that just earlier this week. For some reason you have changed your tune. 'Flomos' have always been the one's who want better testing. You asking me if I want better testing it's like asking a kid if he wants a Christmas present.

No, He's getting by on Ring IQ, and decent conditioning.

Thanks for finally admitting this, argument over. This is all I wanted out of you This is wrong. You are presuming something that I never said. I said, anything is possible....there are not 100% absolutes. However I came in here to argue in favor of Bernard based on Empirical Evidence (Wink, Wink) and my opinion based on it, that he is CLEAN. But you just admitted that you agree with me, that he is just a dedicated world class athlete so there is no problem Ahh so that's your beef. You want the accusations to be pointed at others as well as part of your bigger agenda...which is probably the Pacquiao accusations. But like I said, I didn't come here defending B-Hop The Saint who never could do wrong, I came in here and gave you the difference between Hopkins and Pacquiao, and why one can be accused of Steroids/PHD's more than the other. *looks at avatar* :haha: Btw, a person doesn't have to be in favor of one or the other to raise a point. The point has always been, people only look at who they want to when it comes to suspicion and turn a blind eye at everyone else doing great things.

I don't understand why you went through your whole smear campaign with your threads and posts about Hopkins possibly being on PED's, just to say you don't think he is on anything now all of a sudden. Seems to me like you were with your back against the wall with this question, because it would have meant you also think Pacquiao is on something undetectable and you really don't want to go against your hero like that do you. lol my back to the wall, I play chess kid. You guys play checkers. In regards to Pacquiao, I've never said he wasn't on anything. I've always said he has no reason to take any tests that aren't mandated by the commission. You guys, made PEDs an issue because your hero brought the whole thing up. You, nor anyone else ever made mention of them because you never cared, ever. As it is, if you think one guy is on them, you must suspect everyone else as nobody is doing any kind of extra testing. Now, as a fan of boxing, Do you want better testing in boxing or not?

Steroids are not being talked about only in terms of KO's. People are also mentioning to you, Hopkins 2 KD's he suffered, Hopkins work rate, and how Hopkins looked tired in the 12th round. This is why I didn't want to answer this question, you nitpicked one thing people are talking about but left the others out, conveniently :lol1: Now answer my question. And yet, that doesn't mean anything as they have always fought in different styles. Manny has always been a whirlwind. Hops has always been calculated. Both, are doing amazing things at different stages in their careers. Only one, is coming under scrutiny. And yes, people are suspicious of Manny simply because hes stopped dudes at the higher weights. But, steroids didn't help Vargas from getting knocked down and out and he tired towards the end as well. So trying to say that Nard should be free of scrutiny because he was knocked down and tiring doesn't cut it. Now, in Mannys case of producing knockouts, what have people always said about Hatton and Cotto? "They're chinny". What did they say about Margarito, "he was broken down by Shane". So why would it be surprising when a faster guy who throws punches in bunches, beats them all? You're trying to act like you hold no bias, but its not working. According to some, Mannys opponents are cherry picked anyways, so why be suspicious of cherry picked opponents? Hes supposed to beat them, right?

I don't have a bluff. I don't think Manny or Bernard do anything illegal. They are both world class athletes who put in hours and hours of dedication to their craft and bodies. But its not out of the question. It is very possible which is all I'm saying. Some of you guys are acting like it is impossible for Bernard to do anything illegal which is funny because his past doesn't suggest that. Can people change? Of course, but here we have guys like cupocity acting like Bernard is some kind of saint and could never, ever do anything wrong. All I'm saying is, be real about the situation. If one is going to be suspicious about great achievements in athletics, don't pick and choose when and who you're suspicious about. In baseball, nobody ever said, "we just need to test Sosa and Mac". "We just need to test Bonds". They said, "lets just go ahead test everyone". And that is just not happening here. I don't understand why you went through your whole smear campaign with your threads and posts about Hopkins possibly being on PED's, just to say you don't think he is on anything now all of a sudden. Seems to me like you were with your back against the wall with this question, because it would have meant you also think Pacquiao is on something undetectable and you really don't want to go against your hero like that do you.

I'd send a picture, but you already said that wasn't enough evidence. nope its not. Hopkins could submit the pre fight tests and you would say" cycled off them" am i right? its kinda ****ty that people these days assume a fighter is on ped/hgh when they are successful. especially after after the whole floyd/manny thing. every week i see this guy is on peds, this guy is on peds. its bull****. so if your taking those tests, can i assume you may be a fighter? seems weird to take those test just cause. so lets say your a fighter. you work a but off and dedicate yourself like your supposed to. then someone who cant believe you could be good and dedicated just says, this guy must be on something. show me proof you are not on anything. is that right? this dude accusing you has no proof of anything but just assumes you are. thats what your trying to promote? if you want to talk about better testing then talk about that. but just saying this guy is on something just because YOU cant understand and are biased that is just dumb and immature. i can say floyd is on peds, cotto is to, lets throw Martinez and Marquez on there also. lets accuse everyone who does good in a boxing match just because we can......................what a twisted society

If I answer your question will you answer mine? I'll go back and answer yours, please don't duck my question afterward. I'll call your bluff. Give me a minute. I don't have a bluff. I don't think Manny or Bernard do anything illegal. They are both world class athletes who put in hours and hours of dedication to their craft and bodies. But its not out of the question. It is very possible which is all I'm saying. Some of you guys are acting like it is impossible for Bernard to do anything illegal which is funny because his past doesn't suggest that. Can people change? Of course, but here we have guys like cupocity acting like Bernard is some kind of saint and could never, ever do anything wrong. All I'm saying is, be real about the situation. If one is going to be suspicious about great achievements in athletics, don't pick and choose when and who you're suspicious about. In baseball, nobody ever said, "we just need to test Sosa and Mac". "We just need to test Bonds". They said, "lets just go ahead test everyone". And that is just not happening here.

Do you believe Bernard Hopkins is on PED's, and if so, do you think he is on an undetectable Performance Enhancer that the Boxing Commisions drug tests can not catch? Simple yes or no answer. I am not asking for an essay or paragraph 'Johnny'.

The ten people who voted yes are Zealots with an agenda. speak english

Answer my question though, why are steroids only talked about in terms of knockouts? Steroids are not being talked about only in terms of KO's. People are also mentioning to you, Hopkins 2 KD's he suffered, Hopkins work rate, and how Hopkins looked tired in the 12th round. This is why I didn't want to answer this question, you nitpicked one thing people are talking about but left the others out, conveniently :lol1: Now answer my question.

Btw, I mentioned this in another tread but....ARCHIE MOORE. This dude was knocking people out at age 50..back in the 60's. I'm telling you that if you're dedicated to your training and living healthy...good nutrition..staying away from the drugs and alchohol...you can age much more gracefully than people who go to **** when they reach middle age. It's Hopkins SKILL that keeps him in the game, unlike Roy jones who relied on his athletic ability, so when that went downhill, so did his career.

Typical flomo tactic. Avoid a question by asking one of your own. If I answer your question will you answer mine? I'll go back and answer yours, please don't duck my question afterward. I'll call your bluff. Give me a minute.

give us proof, and how do we know its random? and fighters do take tests do they not? I'd send a picture, but you already said that wasn't enough evidence.

Do you believe Bernard Hopkins is on PED's, and if so, do you think he is on an undetectable Performance Enhancer that the Boxing Commisions drug tests can not catch? Typical flomo tactic. Avoid a question by asking one of your own.