With another trainer, I think Victor Ortiz could be the best post FLOYD/PAC

LOL. his problem is his heart or lack there of. He has that " doesn't like to get hit and folds when gets hit syndrome ". I thought he was gonna run through peterson because peterson didn't have that pop in his punches but ortiz still fought scared. That's pretty much it. Without confidence and heart you can't reach your potential. He might regain some or even a lot of that confidence with a better trainer. But he's always going to have some residual issues that will arise when in deep water Unfortunately

flaming? Ortiz sucks, Angulo sucks, Canelo sucks, Rios is a retard, Jose Jr is the future lol lets not overrated these guys anymore guys, what do you say? lol Margarito was a hypejob, he cleary lost to Clottey , Santos, Paul williams, and Shane Mosley and Manny Pacman......lets just come out and say it. Ortiz quit twice, he didnt want to finish Peterson off, and he quit his last loss...well whos gonna be the best after Floyd Pac??? Cause my heads dizzy from hearing how all these Mexis will be the best lol Ortiz lost to a monster in maidana a fight he couldv easily won if he just stuck to his his game plan dude still has a promising career and will deff be champ. Canelo is only 20 and has already beaten former champs and is moving along but he is severely hyped for no reason.I dont like rios at all but hes a legit threat at 135, Margarito is a cheating scumbag that shouldnt be fighting, Benavidez hasnt proved **** yet, and he might be the hypejob for all we know Frankie Gomez is better imo. Your head may be busy but mexis are currently running boxing, and theres nothing me or you can do about it

I don't know about all that but he definitely has a ridiculous amount of potential. Anytime you see a fighter that has THAT much natural power in both hands, it's something special. Something about him really bothers me though when I watch him fight. All that power and speed, yet he's so predictable and clueless how to utilize it. In some weird way he reminds me of Kendal Holt.

Im not the one flaming a thread dickhead. Im just listing facts dont be mad:bottle: cuz im right flaming? Ortiz sucks, Angulo sucks, Canelo sucks, Rios is a retard, Jose Jr is the future lol lets not overrated these guys anymore guys, what do you say? lol Margarito was a hypejob, he cleary lost to Clottey , Santos, Paul williams, and Shane Mosley and Manny Pacman......lets just come out and say it. Ortiz quit twice, he didnt want to finish Peterson off, and he quit his last loss...well whos gonna be the best after Floyd Pac??? Cause my heads dizzy from hearing how all these Mexis will be the best lol

LOL. his problem is his heart or lack there of. He has that " doesn't like to get hit and folds when gets hit syndrome ". I thought he was gonna run through peterson because peterson didn't have that pop in his punches but ortiz still fought scared.

OMG stop it. ? You can't tell me that wlad didn't improve witH a new trainer who taught him how to use his physical advantages (height, reach, athleticism) to protect his chin and become the best in his division. Is that what you're telling me? Because that was my point.

so STFU already Im not the one flaming a thread dickhead. Im just listing facts dont be mad:bottle: cuz im right

Victor Ortiz should retire. He has no future in boxing.

Mexican fighters>>>>>PR fighters...swallow it b!tch. Im not mexican either, and cottos my fav fighter so dont even come to me with that **** marika. so STFU already

Rios is the future, no wait, Angulo is, wait, no, Ortiz is, no Jose Jr, wait no, Canelo is the future, no wait, what was I gonna say??? OH YEA MARGARITO = GOAT BABY !!!!!!!! Mexican fighters>>>>>PR fighters...swallow it b!tch. Im not mexican either, and cottos my fav fighter so dont even come to me with that **** marika.

It's the opposite imo. Just look at Abner. Wasn't he with Joel for a fight or two? He didn't have Abs fighting at a fraction of a level he was fighting under Beristain. this is very true. He looked much more technicaly sound under nacho. Hopefully he realizes this and goes back.

Rios is the future, no wait, Angulo is, wait, no, Ortiz is, no Jose Jr, wait no, Canelo is the future, no wait, what was I gonna say??? OH YEA MARGARITO = GOAT BABY !!!!!!!!

I feel his only problem is his trainer.... Maybe Marquez' trainer Nacho or Macho or whatever his name is. He needs someone like that. Dude really is vicious. I dont think I can ever fully respect this guy after the way he quit vs Maidana.

Nacho is overrated, Joel Diaz is an underrated trainer IMHO. Ortiz is the future!!! It's the opposite imo. Just look at Abner. Wasn't he with Joel for a fight or two? He didn't have Abs fighting at a fraction of a level he was fighting under Beristain.

He needs to change his mentality.

Nacho is overrated, Joel Diaz is an underrated trainer IMHO. Ortiz is the future!!! nacho is not overrates. Roach is overrated. Nacho is an amazing trainer imo the best trainer in the world

I doUbt it seriously. He doesn't have the type of physical advantegs that someone like wlad has.. I think that even if he finds a trainer that can restore his confidence and agression, they still won't be able to hide his chin forever.