Well are they??? Is PAC that great now that this three top fighter consider to be a cherry picked fight? Tell me what other fighters is better than this 3 at 147?
I disagree. Cotto was definetly cherry picked! Roach said it b4 the fight and that was my first thought when I heard it. Especially when they could've fought the #1 WW at the time who even came to the gym begging and was willing to move to 140 for it. I don't care if he lost to Cotto(by1 or 2 rounds), he was just coming off a KO of the guy that brutalized Cotto. At that time, he was definetly seen as the more dangerous fight. U don't pass over an almost equally equitable fight with the best, to fight a guy that looked bad in his last 2 fights and not call it cherry picking.
Cotto may have been cherry-picked but he was a formidable opponent and an excellent matchup. Great matchup, in fact.
Cotto? Absolutely not. Clottey and Margarito? Absolutely yes.
I disagree. Cotto was definetly cherry picked! Roach said it b4 the fight and that was my first thought when I heard it. Especially when they could've fought the #1 WW at the time who even came to the gym begging and was willing to move to 140 for it. I don't care if he lost to Cotto(by1 or 2 rounds), he was just coming off a KO of the guy that brutalized Cotto. At that time, he was definetly seen as the more dangerous fight. U don't pass over an almost equally equitable fight with the best, to fight a guy that looked bad in his last 2 fights and not call it cherry picking.
"Margarito lose to Mosley and Mosley lose to Cotto and Cotto lose to Margarito.
Both of their losses is against the big names of 147"
Thats three people dude.....
yeah three of the big names of 147... whats the problem?
Margarito lose to Mosley and Mosley lose to Cotto and Cotto lose to Margarito.
Both of their losses is against the big names of 147, there is no ashamed on that. With that said they both have wins against the same big names on 147 also. And only PAc have wins on two of them without losing. And thats big accomplishment.
"Margarito lose to Mosley and Mosley lose to Cotto and Cotto lose to Margarito.
Both of their losses is against the big names of 147"
Thats three people dude.....
I don't know if you missed the memo, but his handlers are talking about the Cotto-Margarito winner next. Either way, following up a mediocre year with Mosley is sh*tty enough.
You can discredit PAC fights, if your own fighter come back from vacation and actually fight, So we have something to compare and debate to. Its hard to say PAC cherry picked if his rival and suppose to be better than him, is not around. Im just glad PAc fought everyone, and dont leave any question.
2010 was mediocre.
we'll see about 2011.
even if he fights mosley , if he fights floyd later in the year. still a good year.
I don't know if you missed the memo, but his handlers are talking about the Cotto-Margarito winner next. Either way, following up a mediocre year with Mosley is sh*tty enough.
Again...2009, Manny had a great year.
2010 was mediocre...at best. And it appears it'll be even worse next year.
after the farce with mosley, who else can he fight but someone who will stir things up? lookin foward to it :boxing:
Again...2009, Manny had a great year.
2010 was mediocre...at best. And it appears it'll be even worse next year.
2010 was mediocre.
we'll see about 2011.
even if he fights mosley , if he fights floyd later in the year. still a good year.
marg is the only fight you can really say was bad imo.
not that marg sucks but the timing of it.
can't blame him for delahoya fight.
hatton was good , hatton was the man at 140.
cotto was good , cotto was top 2 at 147 only behind shane.
clottey was okay , clottey was top 5 at 147.
marg is not a bad opponent but bad at the time (got ktfo his last fight , no good win since) and mosley is also bad (got schooled by floyd and looked mediocre against mora)
i like rafael's idea.
fight jmm and let berto-mosley fight. then you can fight berto/mosley winner.
Again...2009, Manny had a great year.
2010 was mediocre...at best. And it appears it'll be even worse next year.
I am right now losing respect for manny because i was pissed with the marg fight and now we having a shot shane.
I really want a marquez vs pacquaio 3 if we cant get a floyd fight. And we cant get a floyd fight because of the whole mayweathes' legal problems. But i really dont want a shane fight. Shane is shot for **** now. I rather pacquaio fight bum ass Berto or end the hype job of Bradley. I dont want to see Martinez and Williams because it would be a complete mismatch of size difference.
I'm not as interested in Marquez because I think Manny would KO him this time--especially if it's at 140 or above. Marquez is aging quick. Sure he still has a masterful offense but he kept getting tagged by Katsidis...no way he'd last against Manny.
I'd prefer Berto to him because at least he'd be something new. And it would be fun....until a straight left hand leaves Berto twitching on his back. Martinez or Bradley (at 140!) would be my top two choices.
Clottey never shows up to a big fight. But you're right he wasn't bad. In fact, forget that Manny could've fought Floyd instead. Given the Cotto bout, Manny had every right to a tune-up. Except...he's now taking his third mediocre fight in a row, and got the fourth lined up (Cotto-Margarito winner).
marg is the only fight you can really say was bad imo.
not that marg sucks but the timing of it.
can't blame him for delahoya fight.
hatton was good , hatton was the man at 140.
cotto was good , cotto was top 2 at 147 only behind shane.
clottey was okay , clottey was top 5 at 147.
marg is not a bad opponent but bad at the time (got ktfo his last fight , no good win since) and mosley is also bad (got schooled by floyd and looked mediocre against mora)
i like rafael's idea.
fight jmm and let berto-mosley fight. then you can fight berto/mosley winner.
You want to know the answer? ask any other fighter from 140 to 147 to fight this three guys and after the result come back here...
any fighter at 140 cant beat this three...
note to self future boxers, dont fight anyone coming off a lose, even if it was a loss against an elite, even if it was a highly contested and disputed decision, even if these fighters are in your backyard, kicking your dog and throwing shit at your windows, do not fight them, duck them till they are 39 years of age and beat a mentally raped elite without his plaster
fight carlos baldimor instead
so you think he cherrypicked clottey, yet mayweather was the only other option, the same mayweather that would rather be in prison than in with pac?
and he could have fought martinez in place of margarito?
gotcha
Im just waiting for Floyd to fight somebody at 147 other than Mosley. Floyd was at 147 longer but he has beaten one 147 fighter. But PAC cherry picked the fighters that Floyd suppose to fight. yeeep.
Clottey never shows up to a big fight. But you're right he wasn't bad. In fact, forget that Manny could've fought Floyd instead. Given the Cotto bout, Manny had every right to a tune-up. Except...he's now taking his third mediocre fight in a row, and got the fourth lined up (Cotto-Margarito winner).
I am right now losing respect for manny because i was pissed with the marg fight and now we having a shot shane.
I really want a marquez vs pacquaio 3 if we cant get a floyd fight. And we cant get a floyd fight because of the whole mayweathes' legal problems. But i really dont want a shane fight. Shane is shot for **** now. I rather pacquaio fight bum ass Berto or end the hype job of Bradley. I dont want to see Martinez and Williams because it would be a complete mismatch of size difference.
so you think he cherrypicked clottey, yet mayweather was the only other option, the same mayweather that would rather be in prison than in with pac?
and he could have fought martinez in place of margarito?
gotcha
Glad you got it.
Mayweather over Clottey
Williams/Martinez/Berto over Margarito
Martinez/Bradley/Berto over Mosley
so you think he cherrypicked clottey, yet mayweather was the only other option, the same mayweather that would rather be in prison than in with pac?
and he could have fought martinez in place of margarito?
gotcha
Clottey never shows up to a big fight. But you're right he wasn't bad. In fact, forget that Manny could've fought Floyd instead. Given the Cotto bout, Manny had every right to a tune-up. Except...he's now taking his third mediocre fight in a row, and got the fourth lined up (Cotto-Margarito winner).
yeah all this fighters at 147 are cherry picked, they all been fight each other, they lose and win fight too. They fighting the best, and PAC did the same. You lose some you win some.