The fighter does'nt even have to be elite, just comming off an impressive win..
I've heard he has'nt so i looked it up, i can't find one. i'm sure one ofyou Manny (exclusive) guys can prove me wrong.
It's not a bashing thread, just asking for some help....
Kirby;9785843']See what I mean about Pactards? When Floyd said "All Roads Lead to Floyd Mayweather" he was right. Whenever people state facts about Manny, they always attack Floyd. "Well Floyd ducked this guy" blah blah blah.
Floyd sure as hell has the right to demand a drug test. Manny should take it. I don't see any problem with that. When it's all said and done we want the sport to be fair. We don't want nobody juicing, we want clean fighters fighting a clean competitive fight.
Manny Pacquiao: “I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the Mayweather fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What else can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.”
http://beatsboxingmayhem.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/manny-pacquiao-politics-as-usual/
an IMPRESSIVE win is a win by stoppage or straight up winning EVERY round or close to every round in my book....so under MY definition of IMPRESSIVE win I can't name none...tbh, I'm not that familiar with Manny's resume BEFORE he fought Barrera....so I can't call it.....Manny been beating up whoever's in front of him....HE is good for the sport....his team or the machine behind the scenes....those are the dudes who give neutrals and anti-Manny fans room to critic his legacy....IDK and don't care how Manny does his business with Top Rank....ppl say he has a word....some say he don't....I don't care....all I know is that he can rumble and I would like to see him fight a different style than the ones he's been fighting for the past 2 or 3 years.....thats all.....plus I wanna know why he fights Shane NOW and not THEN?!?....when Shane was the WW King....thats it.....I don't care about him taking some blood tests or singing karoke.....I do enjoy watching him rumble...like I said, the boy be handing out ass whoopings like Santa do gifts in December :lol1:....but there's a cloud of smoke over Manny....thats just being real....no other way to put it
LOL @ at the idiots who call Floyd-Oscar a close fight. Oscar won 3 rounds, 3 and if you wanted to be generous and give Oscar every benefit of the doubt you could give him 4 rounds. That is it...And, that was Floyd on cruise control throughout the fight.
It was not a close fight, it was not a good fighter, to me it proved nothing, Oscar was done as far as I was concerned at the time. It was really a high profile event that felt like a sparring match.
Basically what this stupid TS have been saying with his stupid threads is:
Pacquiao has been using A-side meth to beat bums.
Flomo logic = Fukked-up logic.
"Difference?...
When reading a pactard's argument, you feel enlightened.
When reading a flomo's argument, you'll realize your brain is actually shrinking."
-- IAMBIAZED @>>
This is a stupid thread. All Pacs opponents came off good wins.
Hatton > Paul Mallignaggi,
Cotto > Clottey
and the list could go on if i could be bothered to.
No disrespect but I stopped reading after the bold. Especially the underlined. Can't believe people actually think that was a close fight. We all have opinions but that one I just can't see.
It WAS a close fight. Why do you think it was a split decision? It could have gone either way. It should have been, at least, a draw. You're probably one of the dumbest boxing fans in here if you're saying Floyd dominated Hoya in that fight. George Foreman was totally disgusted with Floyd's performance in that fight. So were a lot of fans.
First time I actually noticed some people in the crowd leaving in the middle of the fight. They were bored to death over Floyd's performance in that fight.
"Difference?...
When reading a pactard's argument, you feel enlightened.
When reading a flomo's argument, you'll realize your brain is actually shrinking."
-- IAMBIAZED @>>
No disrespect but I stopped reading after the bold. Especially the underlined. Can't believe people actually think that was a close fight. We all have opinions but that one I just can't see.
Close doesn't mean I think it was worthy of being a split decision. I think it was a clear win for Floyd, 116-112.....but it was no shut out...he could have won every round like Manny did.
Well lets see. What were Pacquiao's last 5 fights.....Margarito, Clottey, Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya. Let's go through them..
De La Hoya - Not coming off an impressive win, beat Forbes in a tune up, didn't look great, fought Floyd to a split decision which was quite close, but Floyd won. De La Hoya was seen as a mismatch for Manny, he went up 12 lbs to fight him, won easily.
Hatton - Was the lineal light welterweight champion, just beat Malignaggi with ease who was the #1 guy, beat Luzcano which was a tune up, lost to Floyd. Was in the P4P top 10.
Cotto - Fought Clottey to a SD who was the best guy available. Won against Jennings before that which was insignificant, fought Margarito in an out and out war before that and lost. Was in the P4P top 10.
Clottey - Fought Miguel Cotto and Zab Judah. Close fight with Cotto, not so close with Zab. Was in the top 5 Welterweights.
Margarito - Beat a journeyman, smashed to bits by Mosley, beat Cotto in a war.
Now while you might be correct that he never fought anyone coming off an impressive win, when people fight guys who are equal to them, it is going to be close. What you should look at is....Floyd struggled with DLH, Manny didn't. Cotto and Margarito and Clottey all went life or death with each other, while Manny didn't struggle at all. Are you gonna sh*t on Bradley or Alexander if they fight Khan next? Khan boxed well, but scraped by Maidana and almost got KO'd....does that discredit him as an opponent? No it doesn't. You can't discredit opponents by saying they almost lost their last fight....fact is, fights are close when you don't duck and fight the guys you're supposed to. Oscar was a huge jump up in weight and the tallest, biggest man Manny fought. Hatton was clear lineal champion, bigger and just beat the crap out of his closest ranked contender. Cotto had already beaten Mosley, lost to Margarito in a war, beat Jennings (insignificant) and beat the next best fighter in the division in Clottey, Clottey had just fought Cotto, and Zab, Margarito is still most probably better than most welterweights and a good handful of the top 10 jnr middleweights.
Also, Manny wouldn't have to fight guys like Clottey and Margarito if Money May just manned up and fought him.
You look at Floyd's last fights...and it's so easy to put a negative spin on them, it's so easy.
Mosley - Hadn't fought in a year and a half. Beat a poorly prepared Margarito, went life or death with Mayorga and lost to Cotto.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Was far too small, just had 3 consecutive wars with Pacquiao, Casamayor and Diaz...struggled with them all.
Hatton - Just beat a shot Castillo, almost lost to Collazo, was looking poor at his two runs at welterweight.
It's easy to make fighters look like ****. Don't bother, just let them do their thing, appreciate their accomplishments and leave it at that. If a fighter is blatont cherry-picking or avoiding certain guys, then fair enough. But Pacquiao is fighting bigger guys who are either ranked in lbs for lbs ranking or had reputations for being tough SOB's.
No disrespect but I stopped reading after the bold. Especially the underlined. Can't believe people actually think that was a close fight. We all have opinions but that one I just can't see.
Well lets see. What were Pacquiao's last 5 fights.....Margarito, Clottey, Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya. Let's go through them..
De La Hoya - Not coming off an impressive win, beat Forbes in a tune up, didn't look great, fought Floyd to a split decision which was quite close, but Floyd won. De La Hoya was seen as a mismatch for Manny, he went up 12 lbs to fight him, won easily.
Hatton - Was the lineal light welterweight champion, just beat Malignaggi with ease who was the #1 guy, beat Luzcano which was a tune up, lost to Floyd. Was in the P4P top 10.
Cotto - Fought Clottey to a SD who was the best guy available. Won against Jennings before that which was insignificant, fought Margarito in an out and out war before that and lost. Was in the P4P top 10.
Clottey - Fought Miguel Cotto and Zab Judah. Close fight with Cotto, not so close with Zab. Was in the top 5 Welterweights.
Margarito - Beat a journeyman, smashed to bits by Mosley, beat Cotto in a war.
Now while you might be correct that he never fought anyone coming off an impressive win, when people fight guys who are equal to them, it is going to be close. What you should look at is....Floyd struggled with DLH, Manny didn't. Cotto and Margarito and Clottey all went life or death with each other, while Manny didn't struggle at all. Are you gonna sh*t on Bradley or Alexander if they fight Khan next? Khan boxed well, but scraped by Maidana and almost got KO'd....does that discredit him as an opponent? No it doesn't. You can't discredit opponents by saying they almost lost their last fight....fact is, fights are close when you don't duck and fight the guys you're supposed to. Oscar was a huge jump up in weight and the tallest, biggest man Manny fought. Hatton was clear lineal champion, bigger and just beat the crap out of his closest ranked contender. Cotto had already beaten Mosley, lost to Margarito in a war, beat Jennings (insignificant) and beat the next best fighter in the division in Clottey, Clottey had just fought Cotto, and Zab, Margarito is still most probably better than most welterweights and a good handful of the top 10 jnr middleweights.
Also, Manny wouldn't have to fight guys like Clottey and Margarito if Money May just manned up and fought him.
You look at Floyd's last fights...and it's so easy to put a negative spin on them, it's so easy.
Mosley - Hadn't fought in a year and a half. Beat a poorly prepared Margarito, went life or death with Mayorga and lost to Cotto.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Was far too small, just had 3 consecutive wars with Pacquiao, Casamayor and Diaz...struggled with them all.
Hatton - Just beat a shot Castillo, almost lost to Collazo, was looking poor at his two runs at welterweight.
It's easy to make fighters look like ****. Don't bother, just let them do their thing, appreciate their accomplishments and leave it at that. If a fighter is blatont cherry-picking or avoiding certain guys, then fair enough. But Pacquiao is fighting bigger guys who are either ranked in lbs for lbs ranking or had reputations for being tough SOB's.
Very well said....
it's all about damaged goods and floyds left overs at catch weight.
Leftovers? Nah!!! DLH won his fight with Floyd. Hatton? How the hell did that chinny chin chin lasted more that 2 rds against him? LOL !!!
Pac's just showing Floyd how to win in a much impressive, much exciting way. Now, he's gonna show Quack quack and his *** flomos how to KTFO Mosley!:boxing:
Well lets see. What were Pacquiao's last 5 fights.....Margarito, Clottey, Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya. Let's go through them..
De La Hoya - Not coming off an impressive win, beat Forbes in a tune up, didn't look great, fought Floyd to a split decision which was quite close, but Floyd won. De La Hoya was seen as a mismatch for Manny, he went up 12 lbs to fight him, won easily.
Hatton - Was the lineal light welterweight champion, just beat Malignaggi with ease who was the #1 guy, beat Luzcano which was a tune up, lost to Floyd. Was in the P4P top 10.
Cotto - Fought Clottey to a SD who was the best guy available. Won against Jennings before that which was insignificant, fought Margarito in an out and out war before that and lost. Was in the P4P top 10.
Clottey - Fought Miguel Cotto and Zab Judah. Close fight with Cotto, not so close with Zab. Was in the top 5 Welterweights.
Margarito - Beat a journeyman, smashed to bits by Mosley, beat Cotto in a war.
Now while you might be correct that he never fought anyone coming off an impressive win, when people fight guys who are equal to them, it is going to be close. What you should look at is....Floyd struggled with DLH, Manny didn't. Cotto and Margarito and Clottey all went life or death with each other, while Manny didn't struggle at all. Are you gonna sh*t on Bradley or Alexander if they fight Khan next? Khan boxed well, but scraped by Maidana and almost got KO'd....does that discredit him as an opponent? No it doesn't. You can't discredit opponents by saying they almost lost their last fight....fact is, fights are close when you don't duck and fight the guys you're supposed to. Oscar was a huge jump up in weight and the tallest, biggest man Manny fought. Hatton was clear lineal champion, bigger and just beat the crap out of his closest ranked contender. Cotto had already beaten Mosley, lost to Margarito in a war, beat Jennings (insignificant) and beat the next best fighter in the division in Clottey, Clottey had just fought Cotto, and Zab, Margarito is still most probably better than most welterweights and a good handful of the top 10 jnr middleweights.
Also, Manny wouldn't have to fight guys like Clottey and Margarito if Money May just manned up and fought him.
You look at Floyd's last fights...and it's so easy to put a negative spin on them, it's so easy.
Mosley - Hadn't fought in a year and a half. Beat a poorly prepared Margarito, went life or death with Mayorga and lost to Cotto.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Was far too small, just had 3 consecutive wars with Pacquiao, Casamayor and Diaz...struggled with them all.
Hatton - Just beat a shot Castillo, almost lost to Collazo, was looking poor at his two runs at welterweight.
It's easy to make fighters look like ****. Don't bother, just let them do their thing, appreciate their accomplishments and leave it at that. If a fighter is blatont cherry-picking or avoiding certain guys, then fair enough. But Pacquiao is fighting bigger guys who are either ranked in lbs for lbs ranking or had reputations for being tough SOB's.
Best post I read so far in this thread...Well, at least Floyd can say he beat some people that PAC will not fight EVER - Josie and the bodyguard...Lol
Well lets see. What were Pacquiao's last 5 fights.....Margarito, Clottey, Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya. Let's go through them..
De La Hoya - Not coming off an impressive win, beat Forbes in a tune up, didn't look great, fought Floyd to a split decision which was quite close, but Floyd won. De La Hoya was seen as a mismatch for Manny, he went up 12 lbs to fight him, won easily.
Hatton - Was the lineal light welterweight champion, just beat Malignaggi with ease who was the #1 guy, beat Luzcano which was a tune up, lost to Floyd. Was in the P4P top 10.
Cotto - Fought Clottey to a SD who was the best guy available. Won against Jennings before that which was insignificant, fought Margarito in an out and out war before that and lost. Was in the P4P top 10.
Clottey - Fought Miguel Cotto and Zab Judah. Close fight with Cotto, not so close with Zab. Was in the top 5 Welterweights.
Margarito - Beat a journeyman, smashed to bits by Mosley, beat Cotto in a war.
Now while you might be correct that he never fought anyone coming off an impressive win, when people fight guys who are equal to them, it is going to be close. What you should look at is....Floyd struggled with DLH, Manny didn't. Cotto and Margarito and Clottey all went life or death with each other, while Manny didn't struggle at all. Are you gonna sh*t on Bradley or Alexander if they fight Khan next? Khan boxed well, but scraped by Maidana and almost got KO'd....does that discredit him as an opponent? No it doesn't. You can't discredit opponents by saying they almost lost their last fight....fact is, fights are close when you don't duck and fight the guys you're supposed to. Oscar was a huge jump up in weight and the tallest, biggest man Manny fought. Hatton was clear lineal champion, bigger and just beat the crap out of his closest ranked contender. Cotto had already beaten Mosley, lost to Margarito in a war, beat Jennings (insignificant) and beat the next best fighter in the division in Clottey, Clottey had just fought Cotto, and Zab, Margarito is still most probably better than most welterweights and a good handful of the top 10 jnr middleweights.
Also, Manny wouldn't have to fight guys like Clottey and Margarito if Money May just manned up and fought him.
You look at Floyd's last fights...and it's so easy to put a negative spin on them, it's so easy.
Mosley - Hadn't fought in a year and a half. Beat a poorly prepared Margarito, went life or death with Mayorga and lost to Cotto.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Was far too small, just had 3 consecutive wars with Pacquiao, Casamayor and Diaz...struggled with them all.
Hatton - Just beat a shot Castillo, almost lost to Collazo, was looking poor at his two runs at welterweight.
It's easy to make fighters look like ****. Don't bother, just let them do their thing, appreciate their accomplishments and leave it at that. If a fighter is blatont cherry-picking or avoiding certain guys, then fair enough. But Pacquiao is fighting bigger guys who are either ranked in lbs for lbs ranking or had reputations for being tough SOB's.
Hatton was expected to beat Malignaggi. He was the first person to stop him though, but it's not like Paulie was a top top fighter.
- Hatton was on a decent run of form beating Lazacano and Paulie.
- Cotto beat Clottey but Clottey is crap. Cotto was weight-drained vs. Pacman too.
- Clottey was coming off the back of a loss against Miguel Cotto. Clottey didn't deserve that fight or the payday, especially considering his performance.
- Margarito was coming off the back of a win against an unknown fighter after a year's lay-off for his hand-wraps ban. Prior to that he got destroyed by Shane Mosley. Margarito didn't deserve this fight either.
The last legit fight Manny fought was Hatton. He fought Hatton in Hatton's weight class where he was the lineal champion, and destroyed him.
His last 3 fights have been a joke; a weight-drained Cotto, a punching bag in Clottey who didn't come to fight, and an undeserving Margarito.
saying cotto was weight drained is like saying mosley was weight drained at 147
Hatton was expected to beat Malignaggi. He was the first person to stop him though, but it's not like Paulie was a top top fighter.
- Hatton was on a decent run of form beating Lazacano and Paulie.
- Cotto beat Clottey but Clottey is crap. Cotto was weight-drained vs. Pacman too.
- Clottey was coming off the back of a loss against Miguel Cotto. Clottey didn't deserve that fight or the payday, especially considering his performance.
- Margarito was coming off the back of a win against an unknown fighter after a year's lay-off for his hand-wraps ban. Prior to that he got destroyed by Shane Mosley. Margarito didn't deserve this fight either.
The last legit fight Manny fought was Hatton. He fought Hatton in Hatton's weight class where he was the lineal champion, and destroyed him.
His last 3 fights have been a joke; a weight-drained Cotto, a punching bag in Clottey who didn't come to fight, and an undeserving Margarito.
weight drained cotto lol, you know nothing about boxing, shame you have to hate so much, must really ruin boxing for you
The fact Cotto said after the fight he was at his best physical condition shows you are an idiot