If Khans chin is so terrible how come Maidana hit it several times with clean shots, and he never went down?
And Maidana didn't answer yes to rematch in post fight interview, he says he will fight whoever ... (he thinks he can KO and Khan is clearly not one of them).
Just so we're clear...
More devastatingly tenacious than anything. He never stops coming forward. He could be better if he got Pac or Khan or Floyd like training. A whole lot crisper, and a whole lot stronger.
At his full potential Maidana knocks out anyone at his weight class.
U got it.
For the record, this was an awesome fight. Heart spewed on both sides for the obvious reasons.
I'm not arguing against that. I'm not saying Khan is a great fighter and would beat Mayweather or whatever, I'm not saying Khan has a great chin. I'm not saying Khan looked extremley impressive this time.
I'm saying. Khan do not have glass chin and he proved alot of people wrong. Let's take it for what it is. LOADS of people here thought Maidana would knock him out with ease.
i did, once upon a time. but i came into this fight expecting a break out performane a la mayweather/corrales pac/mab. it didnt happen. so to me it was more of a let down after the midway point of the fight. i respects khans skill set and i like his swagger, but if ur gonna talk **** then u better back it up in the ring. it was a great fight tho, my candidate for foty!
so am i wrong from expecting more??? i thought this would be the kids breakout performance. would u consider it that??? im sorry, but im not trying to hate at all. i just think khan has a long way to go.
Yeah I thought it was, because you can't really anticipate the 10th round, if that didn't happen I wouln't be surprised if khan stopped maidana late, but it gave maidana a second wind. In the cold light of day khan and roach will analyse the video and make khan realise he made a lot of mistakes, but also did a lot of good things. It was a big monkey off his back getting through this fight, and if you were expecting a top pound 4 pound fighter yes your entitled to expect more, but he is not there yet. People have to realise he has only been in with 3 world level calibre fighters, so he is still learning in these fights. To beat someone as dangerous as maidana in still very much a learning phase in his career for me is impressive, but then again everyone's expectations are different. For me he faced his kryptonite and clearly won the fight, and these days its refreshing when a young fighter faces someone that is wrong for him in a lot of ways. It is another step a big step, breakthrough fight? like I said open for debate depending on who you are. It certainly wasn't gatt-mayweather if thats what you were expecting, but maybe his gatti performance is still in the future.
I think you caught this comment in the middle of me trying to make an absurd statement to show TS how ignorant his point was.
Obvious sarcasm. An Oxymoron.
Just so we're clear...
Maidana can hurt anybody, because he IS A HARD ****IN PUNCHER. Hard punchers can hurt and knock out anybody, that's what DEFINES hard punchers.
More devastatingly tenacious than anything. He never stops coming forward. He could be better if he got Pac or Khan or Floyd like training. A whole lot crisper, and a whole lot stronger.
At his full potential Maidana knocks out anyone at his weight class.
Never looked this bad? Ortiz was knocked down and LOST vs Maidana. Alexander got a hometown decision against Kotelnik. Khan WON and he showed good heart and chin. He looked WAAAAAYY better than Ortiz and Alexander. And let's not forget how much Ortiz was being hyped up as the next big thing.
And as for calling out Mayweather and Pac? What fighters haven't at this stage? Offcourse Khan ain't on their level but he is 24 years old and it's not impossible that he will reach that level one day.
i was talking about mayweather and dlh. not those two. they are on the same level as khan imo. and sure, but khan takes it to another level. he mention mayweather every other week. he set himself up for that. its one thing to call a fighter out, but its another thing to talk about how you are ready to beat him and that u want the fight. khan got ahead of himself, thats undeniable at this point
I'm saying, and I'll say this the last time. Glass chinned fighters would never have taken those shots without going down. This thread is about Khans chin, not his defence. And he proved in this fight that his chin is fine.
Maidana can hurt anybody, because he IS A HARD ****IN PUNCHER. Hard punchers can hurt and knock out anybody, that's what DEFINES hard punchers.
dude, once again and go back and re read wat i wrote. i never said he was glass chinned. i said it was clearly something more. but i also said his chin isnt great. nothing i said was wrong. it wasnt hate, it was perspective. so i think he could have been put out in this fight is that inocorrect??? i also think he shouldnt have been in any situation where he could have gotten sparked either. i didnt have this being a close fight but it was. it makes me realize khan has a long way to go. is that really incorrect???
What!!!! Ortiz was massively hurt by the right hand after the first knockdown, he was on queer street when he got up and that was a straight right at the start of the fight, khan got hit with a arching right hook which maidana wound up, he couldn't have landed a better shot on khan's chin...and he didn't go down, you get some perspective.
I agree khan's defence needs work, he is not the finished article...but is one hell of a fighter. You been hating on khan for the longest anyway don't know why I am bothering.
so am i wrong from expecting more??? i thought this would be the kids breakout performance. would u consider it that??? im sorry, but im not trying to hate at all. i just think khan has a long way to go.
What did Maidana prove?
Are you being intentionally absurd?
Maidana figured out a very deadly opponent in Khan. He finally figured out a way to catch him and hit him. Khan can wing off quicksilver combinations and has decent power, good mobility.. Sometimes he just freezes on the ropes though and lets Maidana land arcing combos. But those body shots he threw (though he didn't throw many for some reason) are deadly
So Maidana has heart obviously.. and a fighting cunning about him. He's not as "brainless lot of heart" as people make him out to be.
I think you caught this comment in the middle of me trying to make an absurd statement to show TS how ignorant his point was.
Obvious sarcasm. An Oxymoron.
there arent loads of elite fighters. and do i think bradley takes those punches??? yea he probably does. koltenik took em pretty well, even ortiz took them well even tho he quit like a *****. khan was out on his feet, there is a difference u kno??? but whatever. if go read what i wrote i said the same thing.
its not hate, its perspective.
What!!!! Ortiz was massively hurt by the right hand after the first knockdown, he was on queer street when he got up and that was a straight right at the start of the fight, khan got hit with a arching right hook which maidana wound up, he couldn't have landed a better shot on khan's chin...and he didn't go down, you get some perspective.
I agree khan's defence needs work, he is not the finished article...but is one hell of a fighter. You been hating on khan for the longest anyway don't know why I am bothering.
Kotelnik and Ortiz weren't catched with THAT many hard shots. Khan was spanked around the ring for the whole duration of the 10th round and were caught with idk how many hard punchers from ONE OF THE HARDEST PUNCHERS IN THE FREAKING SPORT. Jeez no wonder he got badly hurt.
Hard punchers like Maidana can hurt ANYBODY. If he couldn't, then he is not really a hard puncher.
ok, so its khans defense, not his chin thats subpar?? :pat:
Alexander didn't look very great at all vs Kotelnik. Infact he pretty much lost. No matter what the "official" scorecards where.
Great fighters, even guys like ODLH where in hard close fought battles. Mayweather arguably lost the first fight vs JLC. I could go on and on and on...
Give Khan the respect he deserves, he beat Maidana clearly. Most people on here thought he was a "glass chinned fraud" and Maidana would knock him out the first punch he landed. He proved that wrong.
yea the fighters u named had hard fought battles, but then never looked this bad. never. not to mention everyone oscar struggled with is < maidana and castillo < maidana not to mention he was sooo much more bigger than a mayweather nursing a bad shoulder.
anyways thats all moot. if khan doesnt get as much credit, its his fault. he was the one comparing himself to the likes of mayweather and pacquaio. i expected a lot more from him, i expected a dominating performance, instead he was lucky to get out alive. is there a problem stating these things whern u have a fighter talking about how great they are on twitter?? well excuse me for not being a mindless drone.
lol...ur obviously not understanding what happened in the fight. im saying khan's defense is not effective enough to keep him from getting hit.
yes its boxing and ppl get hurt. thats true. but khan was supposed to be great. he talked like he was ppl on here hype him like he is. he didnt look great in there tonite.
imagine, just imagine if that had been tim bradley. imagine the threads we would have seen?? its sad really. bradley got flashed by witter and ppl were talking ****.
not even a big Amir fan. Just think your logic is insanely stupid.
You really basing this on Amir calling himself great..Geez, how many fighters call themselves great?..that is laughable.
For the record, not one fighter in the history of Boxing has a defense effective enough in where they don't get hit.
really?
I'm not saying Khan's chin is great. I'm saying it's NOT glass. IMO it's decent.
Let's say Bradley got hit that many times in the 10th round. You telling me he would just stand there? Come on. I'm not saying Khan has a better chin than him. But loads of good elite fighters would have been hurt in that same situation. Maidana is a HARD puncher and would hurt 99% of all fighters at 140 with those shots. THAT is a fact. If you disagree, you are saying that Maidana ain't a hard puncher because guess what? Hard punchers like Maidana can knock out anyone, glass chin or not it doesn't matter.
there arent loads of elite fighters. and do i think bradley takes those punches??? yea he probably does. koltenik took em pretty well, even ortiz took them well even tho he quit like a *****. khan was out on his feet, there is a difference u kno??? but whatever. if go read what i wrote i said the same thing.
its not hate, its perspective.
Khan proved he couldn't stop from getting hit? What did MM prove, that he can get hit in the chin, but not in the gut?
What did Maidana prove?
Are you being intentionally absurd?
Maidana figured out a very deadly opponent in Khan. He finally figured out a way to catch him and hit him. Khan can wing off quicksilver combinations and has decent power, good mobility.. Sometimes he just freezes on the ropes though and lets Maidana land arcing combos. But those body shots he threw (though he didn't throw many for some reason) are deadly
So Maidana has heart obviously.. and a fighting cunning about him. He's not as "brainless lot of heart" as people make him out to be.
Yes Khan was out on his feat, but that's Boxing! His conditioning pushed him through. He didn't go down. Boxers get hit, Boxers get hurt, it's what you do when you get hurt.
He showed he can take a punch, be hurt, and still have the sense to stay on his feet, and do what he did tonight...again, welcome to the world of Boxing.
Khan proved he couldn't stop from getting hit? What did MM prove, that he can get hit in the chin, but not in the gut?
Again, this is Boxing, and your logic is like an as*hole on your elbow..useless.
lol...ur obviously not understanding what happened in the fight. im saying khan's defense is not effective enough to keep him from getting hit.
yes its boxing and ppl get hurt. thats true. but khan was supposed to be great. he talked like he was ppl on here hype him like he is. he didnt look great in there tonite.
imagine, just imagine if that had been tim bradley. imagine the threads we would have seen?? its sad really. bradley got flashed by witter and ppl were talking ****.
uhh are u retarded??? even in the prescott fight he was hurt at first then put out later. if maidana wasnt tired and cortez didnt keep him back, khan could have been finished. its quite simple. his chin barely held up because he barely escaped. dont be retarded.
How many more punches did MM need to land? Maybe his power is not what you thought it to be.
..but but if Midana wasn't tired he coulda woulda shoulda..
Again, his chin didn't barley hold up, it DID hold up for the obvious reason.
retard.
Any one can be put out... I dont think he would want to be Maidana he is never going to be elite, is a street fighter.
yea, thats true but even a street fighter was able to humble a guy thinking he was good enough to be compared to manny p. and floyd mayweather. just saying keep the perspective.
thats not true. there are many top ranked fighters over the years who have had amazing chins. maidana's chin is amazing. bradley has a good chin. so do guys like pac and mayweather (whove taken shots from guys much bigger and stronger than maidana). so ur assesment strikes me as false. khan was out on his feet. it wasnt one of those flash type things, he was legit hurt. having a great chin is important to sucess unless u can keep yourself from getting hit. and khan proved he couldnt.
Yes Khan was out on his feat, but that's Boxing! His conditioning pushed him through. He didn't go down. Boxers get hit, Boxers get hurt, it's what you do when you get hurt.
He showed he can take a punch, be hurt, and still have the sense to stay on his feet, and do what he did tonight...again, welcome to the world of Boxing.
Khan proved he couldn't stop from getting hit? What did MM prove, that he can get hit in the chin, but not in the gut?
Again, this is Boxing, and your logic is like an as*hole on your elbow..useless.
I never said anything about that. But you are crazy if you think most fighters wouldn't be hurt in that 10th round. And I'm not saying ALL fighters would be hurt, I'm saying most.
Again, this is boxing. Fighters get hurt, fighters get knocked down, fighters get stopped. It doesn't mean they have a glass chins.
Glass chinned fighters would never have taken those shots without going down, its a fact.
who cares about most fighters?? im talking about the great ones. oscar de la hoya is constantly being compared to amir khan, do u think he'd have been hurt in that round??? hell no. just stating the facts. amirs chin is far from world class. why is that hard to believe???
HUH?
His chin didn't barley hold up, "IT DID" hold up.
He can still be put out? What the fuc*k does that mean? Cause he was KO'd before?
JUst gotta laugh at the ignorance.
uhh are u retarded??? even in the prescott fight he was hurt at first then put out later. if maidana wasnt tired and cortez didnt keep him back, khan could have been finished. its quite simple. his chin barely held up because he barely escaped. dont be retarded.