Stop it Marquez fans

Mayweather made him look that way. You don't just lose your skills because you put on 10 pounds. Get real, dude. And if you need an example take a look at SUGAR SHANE'S rise from 135 to 147 to 154. Look at Roy Jones' rise from 154 to heavyweight. I have an even better example: JAMES TONEY. He's fat and sloppy as they come. He's looked bloated in every fight since he moved up from 168. Explain that. James didn't lose his skills now did he? SKILLS PAYS THE BILLS, NOT WEIGHT! Stop making excuses for JMM's loss to Floyd. Your examples have nothing to do with Marquez being past his best at 135. Its a good thing Mora showed that Mosley was shot in his next fight or you would tell me that Mayweather beat him at his best. The Mayweather win over Marquez is not a great win for Mayweather because Marquez was not at his best weight even Mayweather fans would tell you that. "SKILLS PAYS BILLS NOT WEIGHT" im done trying to have a reasonable debate with you you're a clown who lets his love for Floyd and hate for Pac cloud your judgement. Im not a Pac fan either so save that **** for someone else.

then why havent marquez fought anyone above 135 after the fight with floyd? because marquez looks terrible above 135! he's trying to fight the FRAUD at 147, but Pac don't want none. NONE!

You could see he didnt look good at the weight by using your eyes. Yes Mayweather is fast and has the ability to make good fighters look bad but it was clear to all that Marquez didnt belong at that weight. Mayweather made him look that way. You don't just lose your skills because you put on 10 pounds. Get real, dude. And if you need an example take a look at SUGAR SHANE'S rise from 135 to 147 to 154. Look at Roy Jones' rise from 154 to heavyweight. I have an even better example: JAMES TONEY. He's fat and sloppy as they come. He's looked bloated in every fight since he moved up from 168. Explain that. James didn't lose his skills now did he? SKILLS PAYS THE BILLS, NOT WEIGHT! Stop making excuses for JMM's loss to Floyd.

who did he look slow against above 135? oh yea, floyd mayweather. that's like criticizing a fighter back in the 90s for looking slow against ROY JONES JR. You could see he didnt look good at the weight by using your eyes. Yes Mayweather is fast and has the ability to make good fighters look bad but it was clear to all that Marquez didnt belong at that weight.

hahaha are u drinking your own piss now too? your starting to think like marquez LOL.. i'd rather drink my own piss (without a glass at that) then to drink pac's spunk lke most of his fans continue to do on a daily basis.

of course its about skills but what he's saying is if marquez fight anywhere above 135 he is bloated and slow and if he stays at 135 and fight cotto at 145 clottey at 147 and margarito at 154 he'll get killed PERIOD! skills do win fight but the size different will be to much for maruez. quit living in your fantasy world. who did he look slow against above 135? oh yea, floyd mayweather. that's like criticizing a fighter back in the 90s for looking slow against ROY JONES JR.

I'll forget more than you'll EVER know about boxing. I've traveled all over the United States to watch boxing ever since I was 13 years old. I'm 33 now. I've actually been in a boxing ring before, been hit, been dropped, drained myself to make a weight (plastic suit and all). So I laugh when I hear naive morons such as yourself tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. That's why cats like Roger Mayweather is always saying things like "the fans don't know sh*t about boxing". Most don't. Through your stupid ass posts you have shown to know nothing. The fact that you're 33 and have been watching since you were 13 only makes it that much more pathetic.

JMM vs Mosley? I thought it was Pac vs Mosley next....wtf.

Pac-Mayweather is 50-50 for me so don't know who to pick. The rest, 4-0. BTW on JMM against Pac's last 5, Just WOW on your picks. My bad I never realized that CLOTTEY and MARGARITO were considered MURDERERS ROW to some people here at NSB. LMAO! Oh yea, Paulie Malinaggi's lil bum ass cosigned Clottey as being a beast, so boxing fans ate up not realizing Paulie a bum himself. I love it how Pac fans think that only Pac can rise up in weight and find success against weight drained, non technical and has been fighters. Gotta love it.

I agree but I think its trash that pac isnt willing to set a catchweight of like 138 to fight a third scrap with JMM. He is fighting for the supposed 154 title coming in at 144? WTF is that ? he can easily make 138. Then when it was brought up Bob Arum said they would fihgt JMM at 147?WHAT!? talk about raping people and taking all the advantages. People on here are saying what has JMM done to deserve a pac fight well he only lasted 12 rounds against P4P #1b and was outweighed by easily 20pds on fight night then he beat a heavy puncher in Katsidis and looked pretty good at doing so what has my man SSM done to earn a shot at pac lets see he got schooled by Mayweather then looked almost as bad against Mora JMM is 1-1 with 1ko in his last 2 bouts SSM is 0-1-1 but yet arum and camp pac go with SSM instead of JMM?:pat::doh: Packy"peeleft::nono: he is a SHAM! I agree for the most part.

This post shows that you either truly dont know **** about boxing or are letting your hate control your perceptions. I'll forget more than you'll EVER know about boxing. I've traveled all over the United States to watch boxing ever since I was 13 years old. I'm 33 now. I've actually been in a boxing ring before, been hit, been dropped, drained myself to make a weight (plastic suit and all). So I laugh when I hear naive morons such as yourself tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. That's why cats like Roger Mayweather is always saying things like "the fans don't know sh*t about boxing". Most don't.

Why all this comparisons between Marquez and Pacquiao and Pac's victims at ww. Just because they had some close fights , doesnt mean JMM will be able to do what Pac has done. Pacquiao is just an explosive fighting machine. JMM is a counter punching mastermind banger. People fail to realize that Pac's style is what has helped him with his success. Speed kills. specially when ur a volume puncher. And Pac's speed is just fkn ridiculous. People need to fkn understand that and let it be. Marquez vs Mosley at 147?? Really?? Only reason why that fight is being considered is because Mosley is 39 and is a shell of himself. Some people need to get slapped for such questions. Just because Floyd. The most skilled (boxing wise) fighter out there , embarassed Mosley , doesnt mean JMM could do it. I agree Marquez loses all the fights Pac "cherry picked" at ww and loses them badly. Marquez is a great lw he doesnt belong above 135. I would rather Pac fight Marquez then Mosley just to hear the Marquez brothers make excuses and to hear those same fans crying for the fight tell us how Marquez was already shot. I agree but I think its trash that pac isnt willing to set a catchweight of like 138 to fight a third scrap with JMM. He is fighting for the supposed 154 title coming in at 144? WTF is that ? he can easily make 138. Then when it was brought up Bob Arum said they would fihgt JMM at 147?WHAT!? talk about raping people and taking all the advantages. People on here are saying what has JMM done to deserve a pac fight well he only lasted 12 rounds against P4P #1b and was outweighed by easily 20pds on fight night then he beat a heavy puncher in Katsidis and looked pretty good at doing so what has my man SSM done to earn a shot at pac lets see he got schooled by Mayweather then looked almost as bad against Mora JMM is 1-1 with 1ko in his last 2 bouts SSM is 0-1-1 but yet arum and camp pac go with SSM instead of JMM?:pat::doh: Packy"peeleft::nono: he is a SHAM!

JMM vs. DLH @ 147: 1-0 I'd take JMM by TKO. Oscar was done. JMM vs. Hatton @ 140: 2-0. JMM by brutal KO (i'll admit that jmm would struggle more with hatton than manny did). JMM vs. Cotto at 145: 3-0. Tough fight for JMM, but at the end of the day skills pay the bills and Cotto ain't been **** since Margarito. JMM vs. Clottey @ 147: 4-0. Marquez wins this fight quite easily. Clottey is not going to out technical JMM. No way. Boring fight, but I got JMM. JMM vs. Margarito @ 147: 5-0. Marquez beats the living plaster out of Margs. I see Marquez going 5-0 just like Pac (differnce is JMM would struggle a bit more). With that said, how would Pac do against JMM's last five? KATSIDIS, DIAZ, MAYWEATHER, CASAMAYOR, JUAREZ I got PAC going at 4-1. LOL! Pac-Mayweather is 50-50 for me so don't know who to pick. The rest, 4-0. BTW on JMM against Pac's last 5, Just WOW on your picks.

If you open your eyes to read maybe you can respond better. I said 145 cotto weight drain not 147, that means Marquez does not have to put more weight that is going to hurt him yet cotto coming in at 145 lbs will drain him just same way paquiao did to cotto. I'm not taking about JMM more demand leverage, just fair fight like paquiao and than we can compare apples to apple. Marquez beat Paquiao twice while cotto got tko. Wow where do i start on this **** post? if Marquez and Cotto did fight Marquez is not enough of a draw compared to Cotto to make any demands on the weight the fight would be at. If you really believe that a Marquez Cotto fight at 147 goes anything like Pac Cotto at 145 you should follow a different sport. Marquez is a great lw im not saying he isnt and p4p is better then Pacs last 5 opponents but in actual matchups at ww he doesnt belong.

Marquez fans are idiots. Boxing isnt a game. If Marquez fight Pac at 147 and Pac doesnt show mercy then Marquez will piss blood for weeks. Sad thing is he will still probably drink it like Kool-aid. You honestly sound like the idiot. Boxing is not all about weight. Boxing is about SKILLS. Otherwise how was Chris Byrd able to dominate David Tua? How was Pac able to beat Margarito? How did Roy Jones beat JOhn Ruiz? How did Ray Leonard beat Hagler? How did Sweet Pea beat Jorge Vaca at 154? How did Floyd beat Oscar at 154? How did Shane Mosley jump two weight classes and beat Hoya? How did Martinez beat Pavlik? It's called the sweet science for a reason. Yes, weight matters but it's not the be all end all when determining the outcome of a fight. Stick around you may learn something sonny...

Thats how Paquiao fought cotto weight drain, make it even for JMM to fight :boxing:cotto at 145lbs weight drain. Lets see how cotto does against Sergio Martinez at 154 or 155 lbs, cotto will get :firedevil worse than paquiao. Now you jump to Martinez lol ok. I agree that Cotto would probably lose against Martinez but whats your point? Do you think Marquez beats him?

JMM vs. DLH @ 147: 1-0 I'd take JMM by TKO. Oscar was done. JMM vs. Hatton @ 140: 2-0. JMM by brutal KO (i'll admit that jmm would struggle more with hatton than manny did). JMM vs. Cotto at 145: 3-0. Tough fight for JMM, but at the end of the day skills pay the bills and Cotto ain't been **** since Margarito. JMM vs. Clottey @ 147: 4-0. Marquez wins this fight quite easily. Clottey is not going to out technical JMM. No way. Boring fight, but I got JMM. JMM vs. Margarito @ 147: 5-0. Marquez beats the living plaster out of Margs. I see Marquez going 5-0 just like Pac (differnce is JMM would struggle a bit more). With that said, how would Pac do against JMM's last five? KATSIDIS, DIAZ, MAYWEATHER, CASAMAYOR, JUAREZ I got PAC going at 4-1. LOL! This post shows that you either truly dont know **** about boxing or are letting your hate control your perceptions.

I think every Marquez fan knows or at least most of them do, that Marquez can't be effective at 147 so he cannot possibly accomplish what Pacquiao has. I don't think anyone in their right mind can think he would beat Margarito, Cotto and all the WW Pacquiao has beaten because Pac's style is perfect for the opponents he faced. This is why a third fight against Pacquiao at 147 is rubbish. Marquez might still give Pacquiao a good fight like the previous 2 at a lower weight because their style give each other problems. I think as fans we want to see competitive fights, one sided wins are fun and all but they get old. You or I don't know how effective Marquez would be at 147. He lost to Mayweather dude. Mayweather! Mayweather! Nobody can beat that guy so the Mayweather fight was not a true indication of what JMM could do at 147. I'll tell you what though, he lasted all 12 with the greatest fighter of his generation. Can Pac do the same? I doubt it.

The only guy on that list of 5 who i would favor against him is Mayweather and that isnt 100%. Marquez against Pacs last 5 opponents goes 1-4. JMM vs. DLH @ 147: 1-0 I'd take JMM by TKO. Oscar was done. JMM vs. Hatton @ 140: 2-0. JMM by brutal KO (i'll admit that jmm would struggle more with hatton than manny did). JMM vs. Cotto at 145: 3-0. Tough fight for JMM, but at the end of the day skills pay the bills and Cotto ain't been **** since Margarito. JMM vs. Clottey @ 147: 4-0. Marquez wins this fight quite easily. Clottey is not going to out technical JMM. No way. Boring fight, but I got JMM. JMM vs. Margarito @ 147: 5-0. Marquez beats the living plaster out of Margs. I see Marquez going 5-0 just like Pac (differnce is JMM would struggle a bit more). With that said, how would Pac do against JMM's last five? KATSIDIS, DIAZ, MAYWEATHER, CASAMAYOR, JUAREZ I got PAC going at 4-1. LOL!

Thats how Paquiao fought cotto weight drain, make it even for JMM to fight :boxing:cotto at 145lbs weight drain. Lets see how cotto does against Sergio Martinez at 154 or 155 lbs, cotto will get :firedevil worse than paquiao.