you flomos are stupid as fukk and don't know shiit about boxing. I'm tired of your revisionist bullshiit.
let's look at pac's last 5 fights.
Oscar Delahoya
- he was coming off a good but not great performance against steve forbes. dlh got hit more than usual. dlh was past his prime before wifebeater fought him. dlh beating up vargas at that stage is a good win, but not a great win imho. But you have to also consider that dlh was fighting a much smaller man and needed to look impressive. by trying to get the KO, which everyone expected, he exposed himself to more return fire. If I remember right, this fight was at 150 lbs and dlh took this fight as a tune up to rematch wifebeater jr. I dunno why wifebeater jr ducked the rematch, but I suspect it was because of the money split cause dlh don't respect guys that beat him. whatever the case, dlh was slowly creeping down to 147 lbs to fight wifebeater jr. when the fight didn't materialize, HBO told dlh to fight pac and the rest is history.
- I don't know how you can blame pac for DLH being weight drained. Pac came to the fight and put on a great performance. Pac did his end of the bargain. 147 was DLH's idea. it was DLH's idea to pick on a featherweight who just arrived to lightweight. no one told him to weigh 145 lbs at the weigh in. no one told him to only rehydrate to 147 lbs on the night of the fight. that's DLH's fault.
Ricky "the Hitman" Hatton
- Ricky was coming off a good win over Paulie Malignaggi in which he looked rejuvenated.
- He had wifebeater SR in his corner
- Pac fought Hatton at his best weight, that is 140 lbs. We all know Hatton is garbage at 147 lbs, that's why he ran back to 140 lbs after the Collazo fight. he knew he was too small for WW. He only agreed to fight wifebeater at 147 because he thought wifebeater was a small WW, who perhaps was a small WW, but is no longer.
- Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds where it took wifebeater jr 10 rounds. After this fght, the wifbeater family got shook, so wifebeater SR started slandering pac to give his son excuses to duck the fight.
- Pac weighed in at 138 lbs for this fight
Miguel Cotto
Cotto was coming off a decision win and tough fight with Clottey. what the fukk do you expect when you fight bad boy after bad boy like cotto. I gotta give him credit, he'll fight just about anyone if the money is right. Would you have preferred he KOed some bum at 147 lbs before he fought Pac?
145 lbs was cotto's suggested weight, not pac's.
Joshua Clottey
- Clottey was lost a close one to Cotto. Some believe he actually won. You can argue that clottey won that fight, but I think clottey lost it by not closing strong. that's clottey's fault.
- So pac fight Clottey because the the wifebeater fight couldn't be made.
Also to remove all doubt to whether or not pac fought the actual winner of Cotto/Clottey, pac fights both of them.
you can't blame pac for clottey's non-performance. pac even tried to give clottey some confidence by letting him land a few punches, but clottey didn't even bother to come out of his shell.
Antonio Margarito
wifebeater is a coward and even ducked the negotiations. so arum put this fight into motion
I never liked this fight from the start, but Arum is the guy in charge. he probably offered Pac the most money for this fight.
The 154 lbs title on the line is a farce
however the fight was gonna be good as long as it lasted. pac beat the living shiit outta marg. only thing missing was a KO.
Margarito rehydrated to 165 lbs... pac weighed in at 144 lbs. that's about a 25 lbs weight disadvantage for pac.
Conclusion:
Pac destroyed one guy who wifebeater barely beat (dlh) and one guy who took wifebeater 10 rounds to stop (hatton), but pac did it on 2.
Pac fought 2 guys wifebeater ducked: Cotto and Margarito
Pac fought 1 guy that wifebeater would never fight: Clottey
yeah pull--usually i don't get on you this early--but that de la hoya fighting forbes line was a little overplayed my man-lol--
i didn't stop reading after that line like a couple others did--overall, i say good argument--but a little overblown---hatton looked terrible against his next opponent following floyd--and paulie has not power in his punches like that--so hatton was not rejuvenated--he chose floyd sr because he realized how good that padwork was that he mocked floyd with during their bulidup-lol-----hatton didn't look that good against paulie---don't get it twisted my dude---
and stop with all of the margarito, cotto, and clottey ducking sh1t about floyd--he never ever ducked any of those guys---
get with the program my man--you're losing it a little bit---
nothing you can note changes the fact that manny fought leftovers, guys coming off of losses and guys coming off of bad looking victories--and on top of all of this--he fought 2 of them at cathweights---
try again friend-lol--
I stopped reading right there... I don't know what else you wrote. At the end I might agree with you, I don't know. To me Pac clearly has the better resume than Floyd overall...
But, that sentence right there is just garbage....
That makes me think this whole thread might be garbage. So why waste time reading it...
ahahah same here
Honestly i thought Berto look better against Forbes than what Oscar did.
And, Berto didn't put such a good performance against Forbes.
So that is what shows you what I personally thought of how Oscar looked against Forbes.
One of the reasons why I predicted Pac by 11th round stoppage against Oscar(was kind of close).
I just thought "damn if Forbes who was feather fisted at 130, let alone at 150, could do that to Oscar face. Imagine what Pac would do."
Obviously. Oscar can in no way shape or form be considered to have looked good against Forbes. Unless you think he looked good against Sturm and you wear oscar-ball sunglasses.
Honestly i thought Berto look better against Forbes than what Oscar did.
And, Berto didn't put such a good performance against Forbes.
So that is what shows you what I personally thought of how Oscar looked against Forbes.
One of the reasons why I predicted Pac by 11th round stoppage against Oscar(was kind of close).
I just thought "damn if Forbes who was feather fisted at 130, let alone at 150, could do that to Oscar face. Imagine what Pac would do."
I stopped reading right there... I don't know what else you wrote. At the end I might agree with you, I don't know. To me Pac clearly has the better resume than Floyd overall...
But, that sentence right there is just garbage....
That makes me think this whole thread might be garbage. So why waste time reading it...
I don't read anything he posts. Too much trolling, literally can't take him serious. He's shot. NSB's version of Rocky Juarez or Chop Corley.
could this topic get any staler?????
manny has an ever so slightly better resume in the last 5 fights, he's the only one who beat someone that nearly everyone thought he was gonna lose to (dela) and beat a guy in pretty much a pickum fight (cotto). all the other 8 wins were gimmies for both guys more or less.
people love to criticise pacs recent opponents but its a whole lot better than what floyd has done in the past 6 years at welterweight. you guys can continue to hate. But pac has just come from the featherweight golden era now is dominating the welterweight division, thats fukin impressive you dumb cocksukers.
Floyd's infamy, notoriety, and controversy sells tickets. Plain and simple. Much like sh#t attracts flies. Many people sign up just to see him lose.
That's the difference.
Pac's PPV numbers comprise mostly of fans who want to see him fight.
Pac's on the cover of Time Magazine, Readers' Digest, featured on 60 minutes, appears on Jimmy Kimmel and George Lopez, and is admired by Hollywood and other sports celebrities. He has endorsement deals with Nike, Mcdonald's and a handful of other premier brands here and in his native Philippines.
Whereas Floyd will be lucky to stay out of jail. And if he does, I doubt he'll have the balls to face Pac in the ring !
This is simply the truth.
Im not going to argue with you there but WTF does that have to do with their resumes?
nothing
you flomos are stupid as fukk and don't know shiit about boxing. I'm tired of your revisionist bullshiit.
let's look at pac's last 5 fights.
Oscar Delahoya
- he was coming off a good but not great performance against steve forbes. dlh got hit more than usual. dlh was past his prime before wifebeater fought him. dlh beating up vargas at that stage is a good win, but not a great win imho. But you have to also consider that dlh was fighting a much smaller man and needed to look impressive. by trying to get the KO, which everyone expected, he exposed himself to more return fire. If I remember right, this fight was at 150 lbs and dlh took this fight as a tune up to rematch wifebeater jr. I dunno why wifebeater jr ducked the rematch, but I suspect it was because of the money split cause dlh don't respect guys that beat him. whatever the case, dlh was slowly creeping down to 147 lbs to fight wifebeater jr. when the fight didn't materialize, HBO told dlh to fight pac and the rest is history.
- I don't know how you can blame pac for DLH being weight drained. Pac came to the fight and put on a great performance. Pac did his end of the bargain. 147 was DLH's idea. it was DLH's idea to pick on a featherweight who just arrived to lightweight. no one told him to weigh 145 lbs at the weigh in. no one told him to only rehydrate to 147 lbs on the night of the fight. that's DLH's fault.
Ricky "the Hitman" Hatton
- Ricky was coming off a good win over Paulie Malignaggi in which he looked rejuvenated.
- He had wifebeater SR in his corner
- Pac fought Hatton at his best weight, that is 140 lbs. We all know Hatton is garbage at 147 lbs, that's why he ran back to 140 lbs after the Collazo fight. he knew he was too small for WW. He only agreed to fight wifebeater at 147 because he thought wifebeater was a small WW, who perhaps was a small WW, but is no longer.
- Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds where it took wifebeater jr 10 rounds. After this fght, the wifbeater family got shook, so wifebeater SR started slandering pac to give his son excuses to duck the fight.
- Pac weighed in at 138 lbs for this fight
Miguel Cotto
Cotto was coming off a decision win and tough fight with Clottey. what the fukk do you expect when you fight bad boy after bad boy like cotto. I gotta give him credit, he'll fight just about anyone if the money is right. Would you have preferred he KOed some bum at 147 lbs before he fought Pac?
145 lbs was cotto's suggested weight, not pac's.
Joshua Clottey
- Clottey was lost a close one to Cotto. Some believe he actually won. You can argue that clottey won that fight, but I think clottey lost it by not closing strong. that's clottey's fault.
- So pac fight Clottey because the the wifebeater fight couldn't be made.
Also to remove all doubt to whether or not pac fought the actual winner of Cotto/Clottey, pac fights both of them.
you can't blame pac for clottey's non-performance. pac even tried to give clottey some confidence by letting him land a few punches, but clottey didn't even bother to come out of his shell.
Antonio Margarito
wifebeater is a coward and even ducked the negotiations. so arum put this fight into motion
I never liked this fight from the start, but Arum is the guy in charge. he probably offered Pac the most money for this fight.
The 154 lbs title on the line is a farce
however the fight was gonna be good as long as it lasted. pac beat the living shiit outta marg. only thing missing was a KO.
Margarito rehydrated to 165 lbs... pac weighed in at 144 lbs. that's about a 25 lbs weight disadvantage for pac.
Conclusion:
Pac destroyed one guy who wifebeater barely beat (dlh) and one guy who took wifebeater 10 rounds to stop (hatton), but pac did it on 2.
Pac fought 2 guys wifebeater ducked: Cotto and Margarito
Pac fought 1 guy that wifebeater would never fight: Clottey
LMFAO at your stupid logic
I hate FLoyd ok
but he fought a better version of Oscar at 154 I repeat 154 not 147
he fought an undefeated RIcky Hatton not a once beat 10 round beat down hatton
Floyd has never had one punch knock out power so to compare him to Pac is pathetic
Man you are jus as stupid as the pac fans and floyd fans
ahhhaha
oh the irony
hahahaha
Floyd's infamy, notoriety, and controversy sells tickets. Plain and simple. Much like sh#t attracts flies. Many people sign up just to see him lose.
That's the difference.
Pac's PPV numbers comprise mostly of fans who want to see him fight.
Pac's on the cover of Time Magazine, Readers' Digest, featured on 60 minutes, appears on Jimmy Kimmel and George Lopez, and is admired by Hollywood and other sports celebrities. He has endorsement deals with Nike, Mcdonald's and a handful of other premier brands here and in his native Philippines.
Whereas Floyd will be lucky to stay out of jail. And if he does, I doubt he'll have the balls to face Pac in the ring !
This is simply the truth.
you flomos are stupid as fukk and don't know shiit about boxing. I'm tired of your revisionist bullshiit.
let's look at pac's last 5 fights.
Oscar Delahoya
- he was coming off a good but not great performance against steve forbes. dlh got hit more than usual. dlh was past his prime before wifebeater fought him. dlh beating up vargas at that stage is a good win, but not a great win imho. But you have to also consider that dlh was fighting a much smaller man and needed to look impressive. by trying to get the KO, which everyone expected, he exposed himself to more return fire. If I remember right, this fight was at 150 lbs and dlh took this fight as a tune up to rematch wifebeater jr. I dunno why wifebeater jr ducked the rematch, but I suspect it was because of the money split cause dlh don't respect guys that beat him. whatever the case, dlh was slowly creeping down to 147 lbs to fight wifebeater jr. when the fight didn't materialize, HBO told dlh to fight pac and the rest is history.
- I don't know how you can blame pac for DLH being weight drained. Pac came to the fight and put on a great performance. Pac did his end of the bargain. 147 was DLH's idea. it was DLH's idea to pick on a featherweight who just arrived to lightweight. no one told him to weigh 145 lbs at the weigh in. no one told him to only rehydrate to 147 lbs on the night of the fight. that's DLH's fault.
Ricky "the Hitman" Hatton
- Ricky was coming off a good win over Paulie Malignaggi in which he looked rejuvenated.
- He had wifebeater SR in his corner
- Pac fought Hatton at his best weight, that is 140 lbs. We all know Hatton is garbage at 147 lbs, that's why he ran back to 140 lbs after the Collazo fight. he knew he was too small for WW. He only agreed to fight wifebeater at 147 because he thought wifebeater was a small WW, who perhaps was a small WW, but is no longer.
- Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds where it took wifebeater jr 10 rounds. After this fght, the wifbeater family got shook, so wifebeater SR started slandering pac to give his son excuses to duck the fight.
- Pac weighed in at 138 lbs for this fight
Miguel Cotto
Cotto was coming off a decision win and tough fight with Clottey. what the fukk do you expect when you fight bad boy after bad boy like cotto. I gotta give him credit, he'll fight just about anyone if the money is right. Would you have preferred he KOed some bum at 147 lbs before he fought Pac?
145 lbs was cotto's suggested weight, not pac's.
Joshua Clottey
- Clottey was lost a close one to Cotto. Some believe he actually won. You can argue that clottey won that fight, but I think clottey lost it by not closing strong. that's clottey's fault.
- So pac fight Clottey because the the wifebeater fight couldn't be made.
Also to remove all doubt to whether or not pac fought the actual winner of Cotto/Clottey, pac fights both of them.
you can't blame pac for clottey's non-performance. pac even tried to give clottey some confidence by letting him land a few punches, but clottey didn't even bother to come out of his shell.
Antonio Margarito
wifebeater is a coward and even ducked the negotiations. so arum put this fight into motion
I never liked this fight from the start, but Arum is the guy in charge. he probably offered Pac the most money for this fight.
The 154 lbs title on the line is a farce
however the fight was gonna be good as long as it lasted. pac beat the living shiit outta marg. only thing missing was a KO.
Margarito rehydrated to 165 lbs... pac weighed in at 144 lbs. that's about a 25 lbs weight disadvantage for pac.
Conclusion:
Pac destroyed one guy who wifebeater barely beat (dlh) and one guy who took wifebeater 10 rounds to stop (hatton), but pac did it on 2.
Pac fought 2 guys wifebeater ducked: Cotto and Margarito
Pac fought 1 guy that wifebeater would never fight: Clottey
Pully you can justify anything you want but you as a boxing know that none of these victories except ODH were unexpected. Manny fought cotto, clottey and Marg ONLY because they are slower, top rank fighters he would be favored against and could dictate the terms of the fight.
Be a manny lover but don't pretend not to know the deal.
I stopped reading right there... I don't know what else you wrote. At the end I might agree with you, I don't know. To me Pac clearly has the better resume than Floyd overall...
But, that sentence right there is just garbage....
That makes me think this whole thread might be garbage. So why waste time reading it...
I agree with you I barely skimmed the rest of the post because of that right there.
you flomos are stupid as fukk and don't know shiit about boxing. I'm tired of your revisionist bullshiit.
let's look at pac's last 5 fights.
Oscar Delahoya
- he was coming off a good but not great performance against steve forbes. dlh got hit more than usual. dlh was past his prime before wifebeater fought him. dlh beating up vargas at that stage is a good win, but not a great win imho. But you have to also consider that dlh was fighting a much smaller man and needed to look impressive. by trying to get the KO, which everyone expected, he exposed himself to more return fire. If I remember right, this fight was at 150 lbs and dlh took this fight as a tune up to rematch wifebeater jr. I dunno why wifebeater jr ducked the rematch, but I suspect it was because of the money split cause dlh don't respect guys that beat him. whatever the case, dlh was slowly creeping down to 147 lbs to fight wifebeater jr. when the fight didn't materialize, HBO told dlh to fight pac and the rest is history.
- I don't know how you can blame pac for DLH being weight drained. Pac came to the fight and put on a great performance. Pac did his end of the bargain. 147 was DLH's idea. it was DLH's idea to pick on a featherweight who just arrived to lightweight. no one told him to weigh 145 lbs at the weigh in. no one told him to only rehydrate to 147 lbs on the night of the fight. that's DLH's fault.
Ricky "the Hitman" Hatton
- Ricky was coming off a good win over Paulie Malignaggi in which he looked rejuvenated.
- He had wifebeater SR in his corner
- Pac fought Hatton at his best weight, that is 140 lbs. We all know Hatton is garbage at 147 lbs, that's why he ran back to 140 lbs after the Collazo fight. he knew he was too small for WW. He only agreed to fight wifebeater at 147 because he thought wifebeater was a small WW, who perhaps was a small WW, but is no longer.
- Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds where it took wifebeater jr 10 rounds. After this fght, the wifbeater family got shook, so wifebeater SR started slandering pac to give his son excuses to duck the fight.
- Pac weighed in at 138 lbs for this fight
Miguel Cotto
Cotto was coming off a decision win and tough fight with Clottey. what the fukk do you expect when you fight bad boy after bad boy like cotto. I gotta give him credit, he'll fight just about anyone if the money is right. Would you have preferred he KOed some bum at 147 lbs before he fought Pac?
145 lbs was cotto's suggested weight, not pac's.
Joshua Clottey
- Clottey was lost a close one to Cotto. Some believe he actually won. You can argue that clottey won that fight, but I think clottey lost it by not closing strong. that's clottey's fault.
- So pac fight Clottey because the the wifebeater fight couldn't be made.
Also to remove all doubt to whether or not pac fought the actual winner of Cotto/Clottey, pac fights both of them.
you can't blame pac for clottey's non-performance. pac even tried to give clottey some confidence by letting him land a few punches, but clottey didn't even bother to come out of his shell.
Antonio Margarito
wifebeater is a coward and even ducked the negotiations. so arum put this fight into motion
I never liked this fight from the start, but Arum is the guy in charge. he probably offered Pac the most money for this fight.
The 154 lbs title on the line is a farce
however the fight was gonna be good as long as it lasted. pac beat the living shiit outta marg. only thing missing was a KO.
Margarito rehydrated to 165 lbs... pac weighed in at 144 lbs. that's about a 25 lbs weight disadvantage for pac.
Conclusion:
Pac destroyed one guy who wifebeater barely beat (dlh) and one guy who took wifebeater 10 rounds to stop (hatton), but pac did it on 2.
Pac fought 2 guys wifebeater ducked: Cotto and Margarito
Pac fought 1 guy that wifebeater would never fight: Clottey
I stopped reading right there... I don't know what else you wrote. At the end I might agree with you, I don't know. To me Pac clearly has the better resume than Floyd overall...
But, that sentence right there is just garbage....
That makes me think this whole thread might be garbage. So why waste time reading it...