My British and World P4P lists

Can't argue with your world list, My British below 1) Carl Froch 2) David Haye 3) Nathan Cleverley 4) Kell Brook 5) Amir Khan 6) Darren Barker. Will beat Macklin IMO 7) John Murray 8) Ricky Burns 9) Jason "2 smooth" Booth 10) Derek Chisora Cleverley can go a long way for sure. Kell Brook too because Welterweight is really weak if u take out Mayweather and Pacman. Brook will beat Mike Jones and could maybe beat Berto too. But I think Khan is higher than them, he's beaten Malignaggi and Kotelnik recently (Kotelnik should be unified LWW champ as he beat Alexander). Plus Khan is going to outbox Maidana.

Surely Froch's resume > Martinez's resume, I honestly don't get how hes top 3 in most peoples lists. Pavlik was always overrated and was waiting to get beaten and the Bernard loss sapped all his confidence. Williams was way way overrated what had he done? Wright is most likely his best win and he had seen better days, Williams was absoutley pasted by Quintana but he did well to comeback and win. But seriously does beating Pavlik, Cintron & Williams get you top 3 p4p? I'd like to see Martinez take on a few more people before putting him that high. So basically what I said, he's beat Pavlik and Williams. Struggling to see how he even gets into the top 8 personally but hey ho. Sergio defeated Paul "the most avoided boxer in the world" Williams twice, who was in most peoples top 5 P4P lists. That must surely put him in the top 5 himself. He also took apart Kelly Pavlik who was also a top-10 P4P fighter and Lineal-champ at Middleweight and is now lineal champ himself. He therefore is surely top 3 P4P as I think he deserves to be higher than JMM. Froch on the other hand, beat Taylor who was a former lineal champ. Froch beat Pascal who is now Lineal LHW champ but if they were to fight now, who knows what'll happen. He beat Dirrell (barely) and also took apart Abraham. however he lost to Kessler, but I scored the Kessler fight a draw, so I think he deserves to be higher than Kessler. He has consistently beaten top class opponents.

don't be silly, he's not ducking. he's waiting until he gets a fair share of the money, the fight will get made next year after his mandatory. Haye was Lineal Cruiserweight champion too bear in mind. hope you are correct about fight in 2011 but klit was on sky sports show and said a 50/50 fight and no rematch clause and yet still nadda happening so far , also haye beat mormeck and a glass jawed enzo so not exactly great wins m8 especially since an old mormeck dropped haye

Can't argue with your world list, My British below 1) Carl Froch 2) David Haye 3) Nathan Cleverley 4) Kell Brook 5) Amir Khan 6) Darren Barker. Will beat Macklin IMO 7) John Murray 8) Ricky Burns 9) Jason "2 smooth" Booth 10) Derek Chisora

Undefeated in 10 years since losing to Margarito. He got robbed vs. Williams imo, I had him up by 2 or 3 rounds. Then KO'd Williams who was in everyone's P4P lists. Also destroyed lineal Middleweight champion Pavlik and is now Lineal MW champ himself. Also got robbed vs. Cintron, should have won instead of drawing. So basically what I said, he's beat Pavlik and Williams. Struggling to see how he even gets into the top 8 personally but hey ho.

that i absolutely agree so u think i should swap Bradley and Froch?

Undefeated in 10 years since losing to Margarito. He got robbed vs. Williams imo, I had him up by 2 or 3 rounds. Then KO'd Williams who was in everyone's P4P lists. Also destroyed lineal Middleweight champion Pavlik and is now Lineal MW champ himself. Also got robbed vs. Cintron, should have won instead of drawing. Surely Froch's resume > Martinez's resume, I honestly don't get how hes top 3 in most peoples lists. Pavlik was always overrated and was waiting to get beaten and the Bernard loss sapped all his confidence. Williams was way way overrated what had he done? Wright is most likely his best win and he had seen better days, Williams was absoutley pasted by Quintana but he did well to comeback and win. But seriously does beating Pavlik, Cintron & Williams get you top 3 p4p? I'd like to see Martinez take on a few more people before putting him that high.

wouldnt have haye at 2 after all his ducking don't be silly, he's not ducking. he's waiting until he gets a fair share of the money, the fight will get made next year after his mandatory. Haye was Lineal Cruiserweight champion too bear in mind.

wouldnt have haye at 2 after all his ducking

Can somebody explain why Martinez is anywhere near the P4P#2 spot please? I give the man his credit but what has he done really? A win and a loss against P.Will and a win over Pavlik. That's good enough for P4P#2? Really? Undefeated in 10 years since losing to Margarito. He got robbed vs. Williams imo, I had him up by 2 or 3 rounds. Then KO'd Williams who was in everyone's P4P lists. Also destroyed lineal Middleweight champion Pavlik and is now Lineal MW champ himself. Also got robbed vs. Cintron, should have won instead of drawing.

froch's resume way better than bradleys that i absolutely agree

No way you can have Haye ahead of Wlad. I'm a Haye fan and I think he has every chance of KO'ing Wlad, but his resume and recent wins are no wat better than Wlad's. He was the lineal CW champ but Wlad is the lineal HW champ. good post dude, repped. i agree that Donaire's win over Vic was long ago, but he hasn't really put a foot wrong since. Thanks. Green returned. :boxing:

Can somebody explain why Martinez is anywhere near the P4P#2 spot please? I give the man his credit but what has he done really? A win and a loss against P.Will and a win over Pavlik. That's good enough for P4P#2? Really?

1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Carl Froch 5. Andre Ward 6. Nonito Donaire 7. Jean Pascal 8. David Haye 9. Wladimir Klitschko 10. Vitali Klitschko This order is not iron-clad but those are the 10 best fighters in the world. No way you can have Haye ahead of Wlad. I'm a Haye fan and I think he has every chance of KO'ing Wlad, but his resume and recent wins are no wat better than Wlad's. He was the lineal CW champ but Wlad is the lineal HW champ. I just don't like ripping people for their P4P choices. It really is subjective, some people emphasize resume, some skills, etc. Despite there being some obvious choices, they tend to differ a lot. Since you asked, however, I do think Donaire is too high. Donaire has a lot of talent and skills, but his victory over Vic was too long ago. I'm a fan of Moreno, I really like the way he goes about his business. IMHO, only one of the SDs on his record was actually close enough to be a SD. In the end though, I think he's more suited for a top 15 or 'could easily be there' placement, until he gets that big win he needs. I think it's a funny time for boxing right now. It's really a transitional phase, with the old going out, and the new having to make their name. That's why it's a bit hard to compile a really good list IMO. good post dude, repped. i agree that Donaire's win over Vic was long ago, but he hasn't really put a foot wrong since.

cool thanks for spotting the mistake... i'm open to criticism dude.. anyone think think i have Donaire too high, and that Moreno should be in the list? Also what about Juanma Lopez? I just don't like ripping people for their P4P choices. It really is subjective, some people emphasize resume, some skills, etc. Despite there being some obvious choices, they tend to differ a lot. Since you asked, however, I do think Donaire is too high. Donaire has a lot of talent and skills, but his victory over Vic was too long ago. I'm a fan of Moreno, I really like the way he goes about his business. IMHO, only one of the SDs on his record was actually close enough to be a SD. In the end though, I think he's more suited for a top 15 or 'could easily be there' placement, until he gets that big win he needs. I think it's a funny time for boxing right now. It's really a transitional phase, with the old going out, and the new having to make their name. That's why it's a bit hard to compile a really good list IMO.

1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Carl Froch 5. Andre Ward 6. Nonito Donaire 7. Jean Pascal 8. David Haye 9. Wladimir Klitschko 10. Vitali Klitschko This order is not iron-clad but those are the 10 best fighters in the world.

Where's Matthew Hatton? :p hmmm actually he just won another bought, on the brink of a title shot. so perhaps i'll swap him for McCloskey. thanks, repped.

Where's Matthew Hatton? :p

I think you made a mistake. You have Tim Bradley #7, but also have him under 'could easily be there'. Ian Napa is my favorite Brit, and one of the most skilled P4P. However, he fights at a weight that's about 10-13 lbs higher than where he should. I won't criticize your list, it's all subjective IMO. cool thanks for spotting the mistake... i'm open to criticism dude.. anyone think think i have Donaire too high, and that Moreno should be in the list? Also what about Juanma Lopez? anyone think i should swap Bradley and Froch?

two good lists imo