Why didn't manny let cotto and margarito fight at their ideal weights?

Seeing how they rehydrated up so much anyway? Why couldn't margarito fight at 154? When manny makes somebody fight at a catchweight, shouldn't he do the same? Isn't that what you dickheads on here criticize floyd for? Not weighing the contractual weight for the marquez fight? Huh? Man, the hypocrisy of pacquaio fans----lol--- so, floyd was too big for jmm, and cheated the scales because he came in 2 pounds over the 144 lb limit, but manny gets a pass fighting tony coming in 5.5 lbs lower? Maintaining his speed, and foot movement, whereas he may not have had the same speed had he weighed more---what's the deal with that nonsense-- manny fans are hypocritters(and i meant to spell it that way-lol) you *******s are too funny--i bet the majority of manny fans consist of 12 year old school boys who just started watching boxing when floyd retired after the hatton fight---- so tell me this school boys, floyd coming in at 146 was an extra advantage for him, because he was bigger, yet, manny coming in at 144.5 isn't? Because tony was bigger right? But manny was much faster and he may have been slower had he fought at 150 or 154 for that matter--- the same with cotto---cotto won his title at 147---not a catchweight--why couldn't manny? And yes, i heard de la hoya weighed 145 when he fought manny but i won't fault manny for that one--that was oscar's fault--and to be fair to manny some, those guys didn't have to sign the contract to fight at those weights, but manny shouldn't be considered champion at those weights also--- which is why floyd is ranked number at ww, seeing how he beat the undisputed ww champion(which wasn't cotto) in shane mosley at 147---- so, let's do the math shall we?-lol-- floyd gets bashed for fighting a so called bum in baldomir--even though carlos was the undisputed ww champion, and was allowed to weigh 147 at the weigh in, a comfortable weight for him, and he gained 16 pounds fight night, whereas floyd only gained 3---floyd dominates him and becomes the wbc ww champion---the undisputed champion--- fast forward--manny beats cotto at 145---defends it against clottey-who had just come off a close lost to cotto---then manny fights the guy that the last and current undisputed ww champion in shane mosley--who floyd just dominated--so, in hindsight, floyd is really the 2 time undisputed ww champion---when was the last time this was achieved? How did cotto win his ww title? Not a catchweight---but wasn't it a vacated title? Something cotto seems to love fighting for? Now, manny fights margarito for a vacated jr mw title, seeing how martinez moved up--and vacated it, but at 150--and manny doesn't come in weighing 150--but gets the title anyway due to a masterful performance---but, doesn't want to defend it? Damn, wasn't this the same **** floyd was bashed for? He won a jr mw title and you basterds insulted him like no other for not defending it--and defending his ww title against a smaller fighter in hatton, but, hatton was the one who refused to fight floyd at 140, when floyd beat gatti--and admitted openly as well as his father that he was nowhere near ready for floyd yet--- yet, manny defends his title that he won at catchweight and cotto won vacated---and defends it against josh clottey--a guy who just lost to cotto--now, who did clottey fight before cotto? The contradiciton on this forum is staggering to say the least--manny pacquiao fans don't know how to do their homework without cheating---just like their fighter of the month-- but i'm no dumby---i don't expect to read anything logical from pac fans following this post, but it won't matter--it'll only make my argument that much better--so post away manny fans--- tell me how i write novels and i'm so dumb and my so called hero floyd is a chump who has ducked this and that and how he's so called scared to death of manny---coz this is what i expect to read following this--so i don't even care--but until i read something that has any merit and actually refutes my stance on this, it won't matter---real fans know i'm telling the truth-- it's bs---a guy breaks his contract by weighing more--he gets bashed---but a guy who breaks his contract weighing less, he gets praised because he was smaller-lol---nonsense--- if that's the case and there is not a minimum you can weigh, only a maximum--then floyd shouldn't get bashed for the marquez fight should he? I MEAN, WASN'T THE MARQUEZ FIGHT A WW FIGHT? 141-147? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? AT LEAST THERE WAS NO TITLE AT STAKE--WELL, FLOYD DIDN'T HAVE A TITLE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN-LOL-FLOYD NEVER SAID HE WAS COMING IN AT 144---HE ALWAYS SAID HE WAS FIGHTING AT 147---SO IT WASN'T A SHOCK TO ME THAT HE CAME IN AT 146---YET, YOU ASSWIPES BASH HIM FOR CHEATING JMM---- And correct me if i'm wrong, didn't freddie just say that if manny fights jmm again, it will have to be at 147? Damn, again the bs coming from toprank and team arum, not team paquiao--pac is just the fighter from team arum--because bob makes all of the decisions for manny--not the other way around--manny does not control his business---bob arum does--and arum is full of piss and prune juice--he's too old for vinegar-lol-- now, let's see what you fine folks have to say about this---and it would be smart for you all to read this fully and then argue---

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LMAO!!! Enough already! I'm ROTFLMAO!!! Are you really a boxing fan? If the contracted fight weight was 150, you want both boxers to come at exactly 150, and if they come in lighter, they should be penalize? Hey flomos! Where were you when a bradah needs you the most! http://www.emoticons4u.com/happy/605.gif So, because Margo grew big, Pac has to give in to all of his demands? Do you even listen to yourself talk? :pat: WTF are you talking about? Cotto was a pound off his weigh-in against Margo, Margo was a ww all his life, Pac gave him a 3 pound allowance... This is the only thing I agree with you. Sulaiman found a way to make a quick buck, Arum thought of a way to use it to promote the fight, so don't take it on Pacman...i commend your effort on at least trying to make an argument for manny--i'll give you that---your points are a little lithargic however---first of all, i didn't say i wanted boxers to come in at 150--i said manny should have came in at 150, be specific with your names next time--manny---it's no different than floyd coming in 2 pounds heavier against jmm, yet, he was bashed like no other for it--and you can insert that logic with the cotto weight---you say cotto was only 1 pound lighter than he usually fights at right? well, do you bash floyd for being 2 pounds over than 144 by that logic? i hope you say yes--coz saying anything other than yes will get you nowhere with me--and you'll lose the argument again--which you will lose anyway but i'll keep going---what else do we have here? so because margo grew big, pac has to give in to all of his demands? do you even listen to yourself talk? hmmmm? what a question-lol--first off, i'm typing--i'm not talking out loud--so no, i can't say i do listen to myself talk---but, as soon as talk to myself again, make no mistake about it--you'll be the first to know homey-don't worry-lol anyway, last time i checked, tony didn't have any demands---manny demanded the catchweight, the venue, i've heard even the glove size--what demands did margo make manny give into? i have to know--maybe you listen to yourself talk while coming up with an answer chief-- manny gave himself all of the advantages by making tony lose 4 pounds to come in at the weigh in---cotto--2 pounds--and why do you think that was? you say cotto only weighed 1 pound less than what he's used to fighting at right? by that logic--why was the catchweight implemented in to begin with? can you come up with a logical answer to this one without contradicting yourself? let's wait and see shall we?lol cotto was a pound off his weigh-in with tony--but did cotto make tony fight at a catchweight? i'm not bashing manny for coming in smaller per say---that's his choice, but i doing this, he should have let cotto and margarito weigh in at 147 and 154---since he didn't, he should have weighed 150 like margarito did at the weigh in and he should not be considered ww and jr mw champ, which you agreed with anyway, but of course you'll blame arum--which i do also--and suliman---total corruption on their parts--- think about it this way---shane wanted to fight manny last year after he beat margarito---freddie said he would have to come down to 142---shane said he couldn't go below 143---that's only 1 pound right? it shouldn't have made a difference--this is not regular weight kid--it's boxing weight--have you ever fought--if so, you would really understand that it does make a difference--you have know how the weight is put on and taken off---fighters sit in suanas to take off weight and dehydrate themselves--that takes a toll on their bodies and stamina---2 pounds make a difference--1 pounds does also--let alone 4 pounds---especially when your body has grown into it's weight naturally---you have to pay attention--you're going off certain words and working off of that--that's not smart man---anyway, let's see what you got now---

15y ago

pbftxrs316

TS got some very twisted logic... I hope some people here will stop hating and start contributing to the sport with intelligent threads.then why talk sh1t and do it yourself then since my logic is twisted---it's just like a poster on here to criticize a thread like mine, only to not comeback with that intelligence that they are looking for---it you're so intelligent---post something that proves me wrong--because until you do, you'll just be another example of what i put in my original post--- it's easy to just be a critic---put something that refutes my argument---don't just talk sh1t--that won't do it champ--

15y ago

gopi11

dumber by the minute---you know--posters such as yourself really make me laugh because instead of acutally refutting information with logic--you go off speculation--i mean, let's get real here--manny had the speed advantage over margarito?---would he have had that same speed if he weighed 150 or 154? LMAO!!! Enough already! I'm ROTFLMAO!!! Are you really a boxing fan? If the contracted fight weight was 150, you want both boxers to come at exactly 150, and if they come in lighter, they should be penalize? Hey flomos! Where were you when a bradah needs you the most! http://www.emoticons4u.com/happy/605.gif if you answer yes, then he should have let tony fight at 154--or he should have came in at 150 lbs--he may not have had that same speed--so he had an advantage over tony---now, you can talk about margarito's size all you want---but he should have been allowed to fight at 154--i don't care that he only fought once there--he fought there after nearly a 2 year suspension--he grew into that weight by that time--do you understand anything kid? damn--it gets annoying schooling manny's fans So, because Margo grew big, Pac has to give in to all of his demands? Do you even listen to yourself talk? :pat: ---if tony had to give up weight to make the fight more even, manny should have gave up some speed to make it even---and i'm not saying he would have not been faster than tony regardless---i'm saying we wouldn't know unless he came in at the weight---that's all----manny cheated to win imo-- gave himself an advantage in speed, yet, took away from tony and cotto fighting at their ideal weights-- WTF are you talking about? Cotto was a pound off his weigh-in against Margo, Margo was a ww all his life, Pac gave him a 3 pound allowance... that's why the fights are called challenges--because you challenge yourself by going up in weight and fighting those guys at their weights, especially for title fights--if manny didn't fight for titles, then i wouldn't be so hard on him--but he is not a record breaking champion, and that's the truth---manny did cheat history in doing this--but arum is a demon--greedy old and fat basterd---- This is the only thing I agree with you. Sulaiman found a way to make a quick buck, Arum thought of a way to use it to promote the fight, so don't take it on Pacman...

15y ago

AntiJalandoni

He has disadvantage on the size, so he demands for a catchweight, Which compensates for the loss...Which I think isn't fair.

15y ago

pbftxrs316

Oh, the irony. And repeating the same topic that's been discussed and re-discussed a thousand times over makes you sound like one of these: http://lastprice.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/broken_record.jpgyet--you keep posting in my thread--enough said--and if this thread has been made a thousand times over, why are you still taking part in it if i'm such a broken record? what does that make you? talk about irony---is this what put in all of your posts regarding these broken record threads?lol-- man, the nerve--and you highlight and bold my get a life kid comment?lol wow---:no:

15y ago

serv

TS got some very twisted logic... I hope some people here will stop hating and start contributing to the sport with intelligent threads.

15y ago

vercingetorix3

nobody forced you to post in it--it makes you look a little desperate--clicking into a thread to make a sarcastic remark--get a life kid- Oh, the irony. And repeating the same topic that's been discussed and re-discussed a thousand times over makes you sound like one of these: http://lastprice.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/broken_record.jpg

15y ago

pbftxrs316

been on this site as long as you. Try that sucka sh1t with somebody else duke.sucka ****? if you've been on this site as long as me, why does it say join date, november 2010 under your screen name? and that's besides the point--what i was doing has nothing to do with any sucka sh1t---slow your role cowboy---and, for the love of God, what the fukk is clod?lol--do you even know what that is? or who that is?

15y ago

pbftxrs316

Wow! Flomos are coming out of the woodwork and they're getting dumber by the minute! An unfair advantage by coming in light? WTF?!? LMAO!!! http://www.emoticons4u.com/happy/671.gif And one poster is even saying that Pacman is doing his cheating through these catchweight fights. Do you know how many catchweight fights that Pacman did that can be credited to his team? I'll answer it for you, it's just ONE (1), the Cotto fight were Pac's team insisted a 145 catchweight, a fukkin' pound below his weigh-in weight against Margo. And Margo only fought once at 154, and he's now a career JMW? He fought all his life at ww, he freakin lost to Mosley at 147. Margo couldn't make 147 anymore and Pac accommodated him at 150 so that the fight could happen, greedy Sulaiman found a way to make a quick buck because he had a JMW belt lying around somewhere and you're blaming this on Pacman? Get a grip man, and take out those Fraud colored glasses, they're blinding you...dumber by the minute---you know--posters such as yourself really make me laugh because instead of acutally refutting information with logic--you go off speculation--i mean, let's get real here--manny had the speed advantage over margarito---would he have had that same speed if he weighed 150 or 154? if you answer yes, then he should have let tony fight at 154--or he should have came in at 150 lbs--he may not have had that same speed--so he had an advantage over tony---now, you can talk about margarito's size all you want---but he should have been allowed to fight at 154--i don't care that he only fought once there--he fought there after nearly a 2 year suspension--he grew into that weight by that time--do you understand anything kid? damn--it gets annoying schooling manny's fans---if tony had to give up weight to make the fight more even, manny should have gave up some speed to make it even---and i'm not saying he would have not been faster than tony regardless---i'm saying we wouldn't know unless he came in at the weight---that's all----manny cheated to win imo-- gave himself an advantage in speed, yet, took away from tony and cotto fighting at their ideal weights-- that's why the fights are called challenges--because you challenge yourself by going up in weight and fighting those guys at their weights, especially for title fights--if manny didn't fight for titles, then i wouldn't be so hard on him--but he is not a record breaking champion, and that's the truth---manny did cheat history in doing this--but arum is a demon--greedy old and fat basterd----

15y ago

pbftxrs316

cotto fight prior to fighting pac was 146. Came to the pac fight at 145....1 pounds and all of a sudden they're drained? Margo spends all his career at 147 and came into the fight at 165.okay--with this logic---will you keep bashing floyd for coming in 2 pounds heavier than 144? It's just 2 pounds right? It shouldn't matter right? If that was the case, why did manny consist of a catchweight to begin with? Why is he fighting for titles at catchweights but non titles at regular weights? You see the conspiracy here? I hope so---but i won't get them up though-my hopes that is-lol--

15y ago

pbftxrs316

whoa, another manny catchweight thread....big ups for originality.nobody forced you to post in it--it makes you look a little desperate--clicking into a thread to make a sarcastic remark--get a life kid-

15y ago

pbftxrs316

if the two pounds were unimportant then why not let cotto weigh 147. If the 2 pounds mean nothing, why insist on 145?because that dumby doesn't realize that those 2 extra pounds in boxing are very important---why do you think there was a controversy with manny fighting shane at 142? When shane said 143, and manny and freddie said 142? People on here then boxing weight is jnot important--it's not like it's regular weight---i'm a fighter--i know---it's muscle and water weight--these guys just don't get it---lol- you do get though--keep it up home slice--lol--

15y ago

Ko_King_212

okay---what would you call your post then? a fukking response----damn you people make it too easy for me to make you look like idiots--- been on this site as long as you. Try that sucka sh1t with somebody else duke.

15y ago

pbftxrs316

all wrong--and infamous---these fights on tonight aren't really thrilling to me-lol--sorry man-- and for the rest of the dumbasses butt-licking each other like chingas and of course that lame ass 2501, hatton had a chance to fight floyd in 2004 and 2005----READ CAREFULLY STUPID PEOPLE----RICKY WENT ON RECORD AS WELL AS HIS DADDY SAYING THAT HE WAS NOT READY FOR FLOYD--WHEN FLOYD WAS TRYING TO SCORE A FIGHT WITH RICKY IN HIS HOMETOWN--WHY DO YOU THINK RICKY WAS AT THE GATTI FIGHT--TO TRY TO BUILD A FIGHT WITH FLOYD, BUT HE SAW HOW FLOYD PUT AN ASS WHOOPING ON GATTI AND WANTED NO PARTS OF FLOYD--- AND YOU DUMB FUKKS SEEM TO FORGET THAT HATTON STARTED OFF AT 140, WHILE FLOYD STARTED OFF AT 130---DAMN YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB---AND INSTEAD OF ANSWERING MY THREAD AND POST, YOU GO AND POST THE JMM FIGHT AS IF I DIDN'T PUT THAT FIGHT IN MY ORIGINAL POST-LOL-- DO YOU GUYS COMPREHEND ANYTHING CORRECTLY-- 2501 AND JOHNNY CHINGAS EITHER CAN'T READ OR CAN'T INTERPRET RIGHT---TAKE YOUR PICK--EITHER IS FINE TO ME-LOL-- WHY BASH FLOYD FOR FIGHTING JMM, BUT NOT MANNY FOR FIGHTING TONY AT A CONTRACTED WEIGHT THAT HE DIDN'T COME IN AT? DID YOU GUYS READ THAT PART OF MY POST? IT'S FUNNY HOW MANNY CAN FIGHT CLOTTEY AT 147 WHEN THERE WAS NO TITLE AT STAKE, BUT FIGHTS FOR TITLES AT CATCHWEIGHTS--HE DID THE SAME THING WITH OSCAR--HIS TRAINER WANTS TO MATCH HIM UP WITH JMM AT 147--SO, MANNY WOULD DEFEND HIS CATCHWEIGHT WW TITLE AGAINST A GUY WHO YOU GUYS BASHED FLOYD FOR BRINGING UP TO 144---NOW, HE'LL GO UP 3 MORE POUNDS? WILL YOU BASH MANNY IF HE TAKES THE FIGHT WITH JMM? OR MOSLEY? WASN'T THE FIGHT WITH MARQUEZ A WW FIGHT FOR FLOYD? YOU TALK ABOUT MINIMUN AND MAXIMUM WEIGHTS YOU CAN FIGHT AT, BUT BASH FLOYD FOR FIGHTING MARQUEZ--I THOUGHT THE MINIMUM WEIGHT FOR WW WAS 141--AND THE MAXIMUM IS 147--IF THAT'S THE CASE--WHAT DID FLOYD DO WRONG REALLY? ANSWER THAT ONE---COMING IN 2 LBS HEAVIER? WELL, WAS MANNY WRONG IN COMING IN 5.5 LBS LIGHT AGAINST MARGARITO? HE DIDN'T STICK TO HIS CONTRACTED WEIGHT DID HE? THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT--OF COURSE YOU 2 BALL GRABBERS WOULND'T GET IT THOUGH---AS IS USUALLY THE CASE WITH PACQUIAO FANS--- PAY ATTENTION NEXT TIME 2501 AND CHINGAS---

15y ago

Gino_Ros

Cotto fight prior to fighting pac was 146. Came to the pac fight at 145....1 pounds and all of a sudden they're drained? Margo spends all his career at 147 and came into the fight at 165. if the two pounds were UNIMPORTANT then why not let cotto weigh 147. if the 2 pounds mean nothing, why insist on 145?

15y ago

Vasyls_dad

please dont werite history..read the articles before the hatton fight..hatton wnted to challenge floyd for his title...and jmm called floyd out and is also callin manny out now under the same circumstances Of course he wanted to challenge Floyd. Everyone knew Floyd was never going back to 140. The only way Hatton was ever going to get a fight with Floyd is if he moved up. Its pretty simple math really and all you're trying to do is make it seem like algebra. And save all the "he called Floyd out" s hit. That only works when a fighter isn't a prime welterweight.

15y ago

Gino_Ros

weight is not important for manny

15y ago

RM_7

Cotto fight prior to fighting pac was 146. Came to the pac fight at 145....1 pounds and all of a sudden they're drained? Margo spends all his career at 147 and came into the fight at 165.

15y ago

gopi11

15y ago

vercingetorix3

Whoa, another Manny catchweight thread....big ups for originality.

15y ago