martinez put everyones nightmare away...thats the way i see it.

He could recover like Ruiz after Tua for all we know. And have a long, prosperous, boring life in the ring.you may be right...lol.....but i dont see him ever being as boring as ruiz.

He could recover like Ruiz after Tua for all we know. And have a long, prosperous, boring life in the ring.

I'll agree that Williams represented the classic case of "all-risk, no reward" but I never thought he was tremendously skilled. His physique, which he has no right to claim credit for, and his volume are what gave people pause. He's not a KO puncher like Hearns, and he's no technician either. He just throws a lot, and has physical advantages over almost every opponent he can be matched against. He was never a world-beater, and he won't be going forward. He's a unique challenge, that's it. (Why are we talking about him in the past tense, anyway? Did he die after the rematch and I missed the headline?) dude your right hes not dead but he is in the sense of his image in boxing....everyone is gonna wanna crack at that chin now .....i wouldnt be suprised to see manny want to fight him or roach talking **** like it was supposed to happen!!

(Why are we talking about him in the past tense, anyway? Did he die after the rematch and I missed the headline?) Yeah he's dead, at least his "most feared man in boxing" persona is dead. LOL:biggthump

PWill has the potential to beat anyone at 147 provided he decides to fight like a B*T**. If PWill just jabbed and threw combos from a distance and then ran his butt off like he did against Marg he would almost be unbeatable. The problem is that PWill decided he wanted to be a fan favorite and fought. Of course, the same reason he lost is the same reason I respect him. I've always liked Sergio better then PWill, and I was pissed at the way he chose to fight Tony, but I have always respected him as a fighter. HBO needs to put Berto or any other so called Star Welter in with PWill.

I'll agree that Williams represented the classic case of "all-risk, no reward" but I never thought he was tremendously skilled. His physique, which he has no right to claim credit for, and his volume are what gave people pause. He's not a KO puncher like Hearns, and he's no technician either. He just throws a lot, and has physical advantages over almost every opponent he can be matched against. He was never a world-beater, and he won't be going forward. He's a unique challenge, that's it. (Why are we talking about him in the past tense, anyway? Did he die after the rematch and I missed the headline?)

Paul has always been overrated. What he lacked in boxing skills he made up for in freakish physical proportions. That only got him so far though. Sergio's skill outmatched Paul's size and Paul paid the price.

Paul Williams had a large segment of the boxing community SHOOK.exactly my point so there is no need for anyone to say martinez isnt ducking anyone.....lets be proud of his last performance and hopefuly paul can get back up on that horse.

Why didn't you mention Floyds name aswell? :wave: All that bullshit he rambled on about, and THIS is what you have an issue with?

Why didn't you mention Floyds name aswell? :wave: wifeebeater never wanted a piece of pwill either. also berto ducked him.

Why didn't you mention Floyds name aswell? :wave: right even floyd didnt want him..williams was a freak of nature and he is skilled highly..... how he comes back is questionable because that ko he suffered was hallacious!

Paul Williams had a large segment of the boxing community SHOOK.