Why the Slick AA Boxing style argument against Pac is total BS.

Great post!!! It is clear to me that many folks still have no idea why JMM gives Pac so much trouble...You clearly do (as I have stated many times in the past). Folks need to understand (as you have said), when Floyd chooses to attack, he can be lethal...BUt it will be 1-3 punches max. Where Floyd will really eat (in the Pac fight) is the counter game. Pac will provide many opportunities, but will Floyd be able to take advantage is the question. Or will he be overwhelmed and beat down? That is what the people want to know. With that said, I don't think Berto, Mosley, Devon, or Bradley have the skill set of Floyd...Matter of fact I don't have to think it. I know it! They would all be smahed by Pac. Mosley is to old, and the others to green...It is what it is. I know that Floyd has tremendous skills to give Manny problems in the ring and i have no problem even if Floyd wins it by points, But Manny doesn't come in in straight line anymore just like with the Morales & Marquez fights, Manny has learned to use the ring more, has great footwork and lateral movements that countering Manny now will give his opponents tremendous problems than when he was a few years back...

You're missing the point, enitrely. Pac has been sparring, fighting, preparing against 1 type of fighter his entire career for the most part. All his opponents square up and throw proper punches for the most part, there's nothing out of the ordinary about his opposition at all. He's mastered beating squared up opposition. Up jabs, lead rights or hooks (even occasional uppers) and small things like that make a HUGE difference. He hasnt come across that style at all or has he fought a guy who blades himself instead of squaring up. The logic is always brought up with Moralez/Raheem because Raheem is in no way shape or form anywhere near as a good as fighter as Morales is.. he won the fight though, because Morales said " I've never tested myself against a slick fighter, I'd like to now " his exact words. And well, we know the outcome. It makes all the difference in the world. Raheem is no where near as good as Erik, but erik hadn't had the experience with one.. and he failed the test because of that. The same thing applies for pac. Styles make all the difference in the world man. Don't look so deep into it with Race and junk.. its not an African American style, it's just AA's are usually the ones to employ such tactics. But in all actuality there are a lot of fighters who are doing the things that guys are hinting at when they say AA fighters. I.E - Cintrons and his new rolling counters come to mind. He's not squaring up or catchin anything on the gloves anymore, he's coming back off of missed punches nowdays, although he isn't a slick fighter. Calderon, Guzman, Mayweather, Martinez, etc etc. Notice, the only person to actually COUNTER pacman was JMM and go figure, thats when Pacman had the most trouble. Otherwise, guys are trying to trade with pacman.. but trade i don't mean "punch with" i mean.. take turns; trade. Pac gets off a 7 punch combo and his opponent tries to respond with a 2 or 3 punch combo, or he waits too long and pac is getting off another combo again. A few counter punches off missed punches goes a long way, so does a bladed stance. How can you say that?!! Are you a part of Team Pacquaio or were you present in each day that manny do his thing in the wildcard gym??? You know nothing what kind of preparations Manny goes through for each fight!!! Do you know how he prepared for the Margarito fight?? He sparred with speedy guys instead of going for the big heavy ones, Manny opted to hone more on his speed timing rather than going for sheer power, and it worked very well... And now i know that you are no boxing fan for still going back in that Marquez fight without breaking down all parameters... Manny's tremendous improvements came with the 2nd Morales fight, he always had great stamina and good head movement but the big difference is his improvements in foot speed and lateral movements, and the biggest is his usage of his RIGHT HAND MORE as a WEAPON rather than just for jabbing or measuring stick, Manny was just not yet confident enough to sit on his right hooks, that's why we occasionally saw some of his rights in the 2nd & 3rd Morales fight and a bit more in the 2nd Marquez fight. But gradually he did, it didn't came in the 2nd Marquez fight, Manny's right hand were more apparent in the Diaz fight, actually the Diaz fight helped Manny more than any other fights he's been in in developing his right hand, Diaz is a walking punching bag we know, but Manny knows Diaz has a durable chin and Manny tested that right hand of his with Diaz chin and gave him tremendous confidense after that.... So never compare a two handed Manny now with the one dimensional fighter before...

slick just means good defence and not getting hit flush

So, we done with this subject yet?

manny stewart also said that manny can't beat floyd so why don't you take his word for it on that one Oh I agree Mayweather clearly has the advantage but this thread wasn't necessarily aimed at Floyd. It was aimed at Knownothings who insist that "any" slick boxer is gonna give Manny problems which I personally think is a load of shhiit!

Posts like this is why Pac gets haters.... pls stfu K thxs. Exactly. It's not Pac that is hated at all... it's his ignorant 'claim-to-know-boxing' following that isn't beloved.

It's not slick that gives Manny problems to begin with, it's how good a counter puncher a fighter is, because Manny throws so much a great counter puncher will have a LOT of opportunities. A guy that is slick and a decent counter puncher isn't a problem, it's the guys who are great counter punchers like Marquez was and Morales was able to do that have a history of success. And even then it's not like Pac was whitewashed. Floyd's "slickness" wouldn't trouble Pac. His counter punching would. Great post!!! It is clear to me that many folks still have no idea why JMM gives Pac so much trouble...You clearly do (as I have stated many times in the past). Folks need to understand (as you have said), when Floyd chooses to attack, he can be lethal...BUt it will be 1-3 punches max. Where Floyd will really eat (in the Pac fight) is the counter game. Pac will provide many opportunities, but will Floyd be able to take advantage is the question. Or will he be overwhelmed and beat down? That is what the people want to know. With that said, I don't think Berto, Mosley, Devon, or Bradley have the skill set of Floyd...Matter of fact I don't have to think it. I know it! They would all be smahed by Pac. Mosley is to old, and the others to green...It is what it is.

most of you don't even know or understand what Slick Is hahaha you have guys trying to use Paul Williams as and example and posting stuff like "Slick Is Overrated look what happened to Paul Williams" when in actuality it was absolutely NOTHING about Williams that is "Slick"...actually Martinez is much slicker then Williams and MANY Black Fighters at 147-154, to be honest...the more I think about it...it is not even that Many slick fighters at 147-160...and by the way neither Berto or Mosley are "SLICK" Mayweather is the epitome of "SLICK" because he can make people miss at will but nobody in boxing today has the natural overall skills of Mayweather, Berto and Mosley are not "SLICK"...BUT both have GREAT HANDSPEED and GREAT FOOTWORK, neither would be just a flat footed target, but both of their defenses actually...SUCK! so in all honesty I think the argument is that people want to see Manny against guys who are not the "Same Flat Footed Fighters", guys with Speed, guys with great footwork and can move, guys that won't just stand Flat Footed in front of him and just take punishment and guys who have hand speed also to actually swing back and that is were I guess guys like Berto and Mosley comes in...but actually Martinez is slicker then Berto and Mosley combined KILL YOURSELF if you think every black fighter is "SLICK" because that is far from the case, some of you need to pull your heads out of Manny and Mayweather A$$ and go really learn about Boxing and learn about different styles and Technics For some odd reason, this is the only thing that stood out about your post (to me)... I agree 100%. Very good way to end that post. Green on the way...

You're right.....if you wanna tell half truths. Lets not forget that those "TKO's" came against pedestrian compatition! Henry Brussles oh my lord or how can we forget the human punching bag Arturro Gatti! Lets also not forget that hes had Two fuking "TKO's in the last 5 years. Oh how can we forget the immortal Shamba Mitchell or Emmanual "i've lost more fights than the Detroit Lions" Augustus. Seriously stop acting like a 60 percent KO record makes him a knockout artist. He knocked out two B fighters and a b- fighter and the majority of his KO's came in the Super featherweight division. oh yeah he's a killer. LOL and you claim to be a fan of logic? Hey do they spell win differently if you knock a guy out? Hey whats the sport called, knockout or boxing? You 80s and 90s babies kill me with your microwave mentallity..... I enjoy a nice game of chess over checkers any day....

I wish manny would just hurry up and knock both of those monkeys out. after that boxing can get back to normal. I don't know how he gets mayweatrher in that ring though. Maybe offer a year supply of purple kool aid and fried chicken? :dunno: Posts like this is why Pac gets haters.... pls stfu K thxs.

some of ya'll act like pac has never seen the slick african american style before. he sees it all the time in sparring. granted it wasn't in the ring in an official fight, but pac has seen that style before and is not intimidated by it. Yeah he's not "intimidated" by it that's why he ran from Raheem and Guzman right?!!! :rofl: ..you pacturds need to get a fecking BRAIN man!! :wave: .

Manny is not a slow footed, uncoordinated, brawler with no hand speed and just comes at you in a straight line over and over again. Manny has more hand speed and athletic gifts then any AA fighter you can mention except for Floyd of course and even Floyd is probably only just as fast and just as athletically gifted as Pac so they are on even terms. So before you go buying into this whole Slick AA style ask yourself this. How is it supposed to work when the so called "brawler" they would be facing posseses greater hand speed, reflexes and footwork making it impossiable to avoid the punches? Isn't that the point of the slick AA style? Avoid avoid avoid! So what happens when you can't fuking avoid whats coming at you because they are twice as fast as you? Sorry guys but there is not one Black fighter outside of Mayweather jr that is not at a disadvantage handspeed and footwork wise if they step into the ring with Pac! The slick style just doesn't work if you are the slower fighter. I totally don't agree with Bernard because there is no one specific style for Black Americans. For example, Archie Moore, Joe Frazier, and Rock Marciano all had similar styles. If you look at Pernell Whitaker and Paulie Malignaggi you can see similarities in their south-paw style. De La Hoya and Mayweather have similar styles due to having the same trainer at one time. Beau Jacks style was taught to Mike Tyson by Who? Cuz Demato. Shane Mosley has a style that I can't think of any other fighter having and that is because his father invented it. Genetics only come into play when we are speaking of athletic ability and the better athlete the fighter is the more he is able to do in terms of footwork, hand/eye coordination, speed/power, etc. Some fighters are just pure athlete and you can tell that they could probably successful in other sports. On the other hand, some fighters are just fighters. Some of them have two left feet and they can barely jump rope or they are able to only do simple routines on the speed bag or double-end bag.

Fernando Vargas is also a fuking stupid ignorent Mexican who I could care less about. And when Manny Steward calls Pac the finest and most complete boxer on the planet I tend to take his word over yours since he's actually qualified to make that claim.As for Berto againt Luis Collazo with his less than special handspeed was able to land clean blow after clean blow. Not the tell tale sign of a fighter with cat like reflexes. Berto has good handspeed head and shoulders above 90% of all other boxers but it's not the special speed that Pac has. manny stewart also said that manny can't beat floyd so why don't you take his word for it on that one

funny now how cotto, hatton, oscar, clottey, and margarito have similar styles now.. :lol1: any "slick black" boxer not named mayweather is gonna be murdered by pacquiao. these guys are just finding ways to shit on the midget. the more they are proven wrong, the more desperate they become.

And you're completely wrong I have no intrest in Pac whatsoever, never been a fan of his. Just a fan of logic and thinking something that is obviously non existent in your world. Sadly, your bias shines through by simply making this thread. It was clear with your initial responses to anyone that didn't ride Pacquiao. You want logic, explain why somebody has to lie about agreeing to testing? Show your colors.

Wow.. this is still a topic? the people who entertain the thought brought up by Sugar are just as ignorant as the people who defend it. Lets drop the race card and pick up some real topics. Like when is Pac going be matched with a boxer who is not deteriorating. Or when will Money fight again and will it be Martinez to hook him up with his first L. Or what do you get when you mix a 1/2 cup of Flomo and 2 cups of Pactards and add sugar..:boxing:

Im not black and im slicker ond more athletic than most black guys....

the slick aa argument is an over generalization but they are reffering to intellignet fighting, counter punching etc. marquez is a slick mexican fighter and the last slick fighter manny fought.

If you are taking his Manny's opinion on that and you haven't previously read that took a rocketship off the planet, then I all I can do is shake my head about that one. Could you please rephrase that because I can't understand anything you just said. I read it like 3 times and still can't understand what you are saying here.

Ridiculous:sad6: Oh by all means please don't even try to argue your point! You might hurt yourself!