Whats harder ?
Mayweather beating Hatton, then Marquez and finish of with Mosley ?
Pacquiao beating Cotto, then Clottey, and finish of with Margarito ?
Be Honest.
floyd beat the number 2 and number 3 p4p fighters back to back and what was hatton rated again when floyd fought him? and he was undefeated---while manny fought a guy who was ko'ed by shane----coming off of a 2 year layoff and won a hard fought lame as fight over some guy---cotto at a fukking catchweight for his 147 lb title---and clottey who lost to cotto in his previous fight--this isn't even close at all--floyd wins hands down---floyd did beat a smaller fighter in jmm who had just a year prior arguably beaten manny-----and was coming off of a ko win---so was shane---so was hatton----
all of floyd's last 3 opponents were coming off of wins and wins by tko's---how about manny's?cotto struggled with clottey---was stopped by tony----and couldn't even weigh 147? wtf is that nonsense---don't even get me stated on tony? and clottey?\
manny fans need professional help---asap----floyd dominated 3 winners-----top ranked p4p fighters----so, cotto barely beat shane--the fight was close--and people had shane beating cotto---floyd didn't come in at 144 against jmm--true--nor did he ever say he would----people need to realize this--he signed the contract--but never said he would--in fact, he said it was a ww fight and he was coming in at 147--and came in at 146----but it was a tune up bout against a guy who was highly ranked on the p4p list---just behind manny in fact----no matter how you people try to spin it---floyd's last 5 wins, let alone 3 wins, stumps manny's----floyd fights de la hoya, hatton, jmm, shane, and baldomir----all champions----jmm was a tuneup--catchweight fight that floyd didn't come in at the assigned weight, who looked bad against diaz his previous fight but ended up ko'ing him, and beating him again after he lost to floyd---shane was the undisputed ww champion---baldomir was the undisputed ww champion----hatton was the jr ww champion who was undefeated and was bigger than floyd overall---hmmmm?
manny fights let's see----cotto, clottey, magarito, hatton, and de la hoya---hatton was champ, so was cotto---clottey was a loser---margarito a cheating loser with a long layoff--and de la hoya was a weight drained loser(oscar's fault, not manny's) who lost his title to floyd at 154, and looked terrible against forbes----
this was too fukking easy----lol---
wow bloated up JMM = the disgraced post plaster Margarito. Hatton was undefeated and was top of his game, Mosley was rated #1 WW. Clottey LOL and Cotto is a good win but a catchweight..? Mayweather by far.
Mayweathers last 3 were all top 5 P4P at the time. One was also the number 1 ranked WW. Margo coming off brutal loss and layoff at a CW, Cotto coming off brutal loss and war of attrition with Clottey at a CW, and Clottey = stylistic fodder. When you really think about it it's actually Floyd.
Do you know what P4P means? That has nothing to do with being the best at 147. Marquez and Hatton COMBINED had only 1 fight at that weight and it was not a great performance.
Mosley was ranked whatever it was because of beating Margo, who was caught with bricks prior to the fight, close to 1.5 years earlier, January, 2009. As you can see this year, May 2010, Mosley was NOT #1. Floyd fans are saying that Manny shouldn't even fight that OLD, SHOT Mosley.
You can't have it both ways!
well if divisional rankings matter why did Pac avoid the #1 WW Mosley? Didnt Mayweather fight Mosley when he was #1@ WW, #3 P4P & after Team Pac suggested Mosley drop down to 142lbs & when Mosley accepted they said he was too dangerous?...
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you're too caught up in your bull**** to realize that Manny is cleaning out the division. he'll fight them all sooner or later. unlike Floyd, Manny has fought top ranked guys in the division.. something Mayweather has been afraid to do.
Pac's people have been negotiating with Berto's (ranked 3) and Mosley (ranked 5) in the division if the Mayweather fight doesn't come off again.. what has Mayweather been doing? Negotiating with Paulie Malignaggi. Please...
Pacquiao's choice of welterweight opponents has been MUCH better than your boy Mayweather's.
& Cotto beat Mosley.. why fight Mosley first when you could fight a guy who beat him?
Exactly,Floyd had the best & worst win!!But the ts forgot to point out that all 3 of Pacman's wins were against fellow stablemates at top rank & 2 were indeed at catchweights!!
Marquez, Hatton and Mosley are all GBP fighters. Think about that before you say pac only fights top rank fighters
Whats harder ?
Mayweather beating Hatton, then Marquez and finish of with Mosley ?
Pacquiao beating Cotto, then Clottey, and finish of with Margarito ?
Be Honest.
Mayweathers last 3 were all top 5 P4P at the time. One was also the number 1 ranked WW. Margo coming off brutal loss and layoff at a CW, Cotto coming off brutal loss and war of attrition with Clottey at a CW, and Clottey = stylistic fodder. When you really think about it it's actually Floyd.
Marquez, during preparation for Floyd said he never felt this strong and fast....we see him and his trainer using to the clock to train for speed. I honestly felt the fight was a joke....i really never gave him shot, but i heard analysts saying saying Marquez has a chance. No one gave Pac' opponents a chance going in, big men or not....Clottey was about to retire and Play soccer because he was tired of boxing and fed up with Arum tactics. Cotto was gasping for his last air, wasn't even heal properly from the clottey fight till his camp was scared that he might re-opened the cut. Margarito was always a bum and will ever be a bum. His best win was against Cotto and after viewing his recent fights God knows what was in those gloves.
I wish my body now felt how it felt two years ago, for my wife would be way more satisfied...imagine fighters who are coming off terrible beat downs who are couple years older than i am and who given their life to many years of rigorous exercise? Have any of guys participate in any sport? An athlete life is measure in months. Mayweather doesn't get a full pass either, but his wins are against guys who still had pulses.
When Hatton knocked out castillo with that body punch in the 4th everyone said that hatton was gonna kill Mayweather, sorry Pac-fans, u guys weren't around then, but that don't mean it didn't happen. My point is, quit with the childish crap, it can be tit for tat. I want to see the fight, but it's attitude like this that's killing the sport. We need more top fighters not one person on top, so while elevating Manny stop trying to bring other fighters down. Imagine the sport with more than one fighter on top, i would have to find a new date night with my wife...lol. Anyways, Pac deserves his place just not someone else's lets elevate more fighters maybe our sport can get back to mainstream just saying.
Exactly,Floyd had the best & worst win!!But the ts forgot to point out that all 3 of Pacman's wins were against fellow stablemates at top rank & 2 were indeed at catchweights!!
- Stablemates are OK if their names are Cotto, Clottey and Margo. All were top 147s
- Catch-weight - meaningless point when you remove the title aspect of the conversation since neither complained of it before nor after the fight. Margo got even a bonus of 3lbs over 147, his career weight. The only obvious injustice was Floyd asking the small Marquez to fight at a catch-weight then renegotiating his way out of the lower weight at the last minute!
Floyd:
- marquez and Hatton were NOT career 147lbs. Between the 2 fighters they fought only 1 fight at 147 and didn't look good.
- Mosley is better but by the time they fought, Mosley was hitting 39, shot and gassed out in that fight. FLOYD FANS are now agreeing with that, just a few months later. Please read other threads to confirm my statement (ie. Manny thinking about Mosley as next opponent).
Floyd's last three-1.Hatton (undefeated and rated top 5 on the p4p list) 2. Marquez (gave pac hell in two fights also win more rounds, was the recog #2 p4p) 3. Mosley-#1 welter also lineal champ after destroying Margarito and was the recog #3 p4p).
Manny's last three-1.(Cotto (was brutalized with possible plaster and a controversial, bloody win over Clottey)2. Clottey( a known quitter who comes forward merely throw punches , coming off a controversial loss to Cotto)3. Margarito ( caught trying to cheat, was destroyed in nine rds, has been off for almost two years and is known as slow plodder)
This is not close..none of Pac's last three was rated top 5 on any p4p list when he beat them, so i don't know why u retards keep making thread like this, instead of using your time trying to learn about the sport.
Stop making stupid threads asking rhetorical questions...it's making u guys look childish. I appreciate red ks, too, because it means i am danger to Pac-roaches retarded way of thinking. I thought u guys were doing this for Argument sake and fun, but i am beginning to think you guys really believe what you guys are saying, which is scary. Of Floyd's last three fights, the only opponent that was never given a real chance to beat him, was Marquez, and Many analysts, including the great Bert Sugar picked Marquez to win due to Floyd's inactivity.
And yeah, before you guys call me a "Flomo", one of my favorite fighter used to be Spadafora, before he start getting into his problems, and Oscar dela hoya....and i'm black go figure.
See, in a previous thread some FLOYD FANS were saying, that EVERYONE agreed that Floyd fighting Marquez was a joke but outside that argument they continue to say, Floyd fought a P4P fighter. When you make comments like that you need to realize what P4P means.
Floyd in the ]last 4 years fought only Marquez and Hatton who are NOT a career 147lbs and recently an OLD and SHOT Mosley.
THE SAME 2 FIGHTERS (Marquez - Mosley) WHO FLOYD FANS ARE CRITICIZING IF MANNY FIGHTS NEXT...... think about it a little!!!
Manny took care of those 3 opponents in 1 year and 2 of 3 were by destruction. The other was by surrendering (Clottey)
Pacquiao's last 3 are more impressive. They are all big men, ranked top 5 at welterweight.
Marquez and Hatton were smaller men moving up into divisions they did not belong.
Floyd's last three-1.Hatton (undefeated and rated top 5 on the p4p list) 2. Marquez (gave pac hell in two fights also win more rounds, was the recog #2 p4p) 3. Mosley-#1 welter also lineal champ after destroying Margarito and was the recog #3 p4p).
Manny's last three-1.(Cotto (was brutalized with possible plaster and a controversial, bloody win over Clottey)2. Clottey( a known quitter who comes forward merely throw punches , coming off a controversial loss to Cotto)3. Margarito ( caught trying to cheat, was destroyed in nine rds, has been off for almost two years and is known as slow plodder)
This is not close..none of Pac's last three was rated top 5 on any p4p list when he beat them, so i don't know why u retards keep making thread like this, instead of using your time trying to learn about the sport.
Stop making stupid threads asking rhetorical questions...it's making u guys look childish. I appreciate red ks, too, because it means i am danger to Pac-roaches retarded way of thinking. I thought u guys were doing this for Argument sake and fun, but i am beginning to think you guys really believe what you guys are saying, which is scary. Of Floyd's last three fights, the only opponent that was never given a real chance to beat him, was Marquez, and Many analysts, including the great Bert Sugar picked Marquez to win due to Floyd's inactivity.
And yeah, before you guys call me a "Flomo", one of my favorite fighter used to be Spadafora, before he start getting into his problems, and Oscar dela hoya....and i'm black go figure.
pound for pound doesn't matter in the real world.. divisional rankings do.
I would say the best win out of them is beating Shane Mosley, but the least legit win is Marquez. I think its a close one personally.
Exactly,Floyd had the best & worst win!!But the ts forgot to point out that all 3 of Pacman's wins were against fellow stablemates at top rank & 2 were indeed at catchweights!!
Pacquiao wins were more impressive than Mayweather. Not based on solely on the opponents but the way he's went about it. He's fighting bigger guys that are recognized in the welter division as top opposition, and man handling them in brutal fashion too. I don't think theres much of a case for Floyd apart from Mosley was an impressive win but Marquez was pretty worthless as it was well out of his comfort zone..