For years RJJ was P4P the best but he fought belts he never fought "THE BEST" at the time. People get blinded by belts and forget who people are fighting. Why do you think RJJ moved up to LHW he didn't want to face the guys at MW anymore. If RJJ would have retried after the ruiz fight everyone to this day would say Top 5 all time etc... Luckly he stayed around long enough to get exposed. But that's what Floyds done he has fought all these belts and has that undefeated record so you got a lot of people in love with him. At least with Floyd he's fighting his prime in the middle of the "internet age" and people can see past his record and belts and see who he has really fought unlike 10+ years ago when you saw a guy with a belt you assumed he was good and couldn't really look up the history of who he has fought.
Floyd wasted almost 2 years of his prime fighting no one, what kind of best fighter of all time would waste there carer like that? He has hand picked inflated fighters with belts and "big records". Floyd is THE most OVERRATED FIGHTER EVER IMO.
Look at his Fights
Shane Mosley - Waits until shane is 38 years old to fight him not even close to a important or significant win.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Fight a ONCE good fighter WELLL past his prime at 36 years old.
Ricky Hatton - A decent fighter with a inflated record with only one big name win to has name Kosta who was past his prime. - PacMan killed him in 2 rounds...
Oscar - Fights him well past his prime runs the whole fight and barely wins, PacMan fights him and DESTROYS HIM something floyd couldn't do.
Carlos Manuel Baldomir - Ducks just about every fighter there is and fights a journey man because he has belts...
Zab judah - Do i really need to say anything about zab...
Diego Corrales - Turned out to be a medicore fighter
Jose Luis Castillo - Decent Fighter who beat Floyd the first time they fought but was robbed.
His record is a total sham because of belts and it shows how fractured the sport of boxing is because of "BELTS" ... PAC has Crushed all of these fighters that floyd has ducked. Floyd is a Bum and a Scam...
He is another RJJ with a inflated record and a bunch of belts.
threads like these will never die as long as you have people who watch the sport for just one fighter..and dont know the history..or take the time out to learn it!
...sad...
I know what he said and I understand your clarification.
My clarification however, is that there's a big ****in difference.
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OK, of course yes there were titles fights for Pan. And, none titles for Floyd and Roy.
For years RJJ was P4P the best but he fought belts he never fought "THE BEST" at the time. People get blinded by belts and forget who people are fighting. Why do you think RJJ moved up to LHW he didn't want to face the guys at MW anymore. If RJJ would have retried after the ruiz fight everyone to this day would say Top 5 all time etc... Luckly he stayed around long enough to get exposed. But that's what Floyds done he has fought all these belts and has that undefeated record so you got a lot of people in love with him. At least with Floyd he's fighting his prime in the middle of the "internet age" and people can see past his record and belts and see who he has really fought unlike 10+ years ago when you saw a guy with a belt you assumed he was good and couldn't really look up the history of who he has fought.
Floyd wasted almost 2 years of his prime fighting no one, what kind of best fighter of all time would waste there carer like that? He has hand picked inflated fighters with belts and "big records". Floyd is THE most OVERRATED FIGHTER EVER IMO.
Look at his Fights
Shane Mosley - Waits until shane is 38 years old to fight him not even close to a important or significant win.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Fight a ONCE good fighter WELLL past his prime at 36 years old.
Ricky Hatton - A decent fighter with a inflated record with only one big name win to has name Kosta who was past his prime. - PacMan killed him in 2 rounds...
Oscar - Fights him well past his prime runs the whole fight and barely wins, PacMan fights him and DESTROYS HIM something floyd couldn't do.
Carlos Manuel Baldomir - Ducks just about every fighter there is and fights a journey man because he has belts...
Zab judah - Do i really need to say anything about zab...
Diego Corrales - Turned out to be a medicore fighter
Jose Luis Castillo - Decent Fighter who beat Floyd the first time they fought but was robbed.
His record is a total sham because of belts and it shows how fractured the sport of boxing is because of "BELTS" ... PAC has Crushed all of these fighters that floyd has ducked. Floyd is a Bum and a Scam...
He is another RJJ with a inflated record and a bunch of belts.
Sorry I couldnt make it past this ridiculous statement. He beat BHop at MW and then left Bernard to rule the division for the next million years or so and moved up and beat the top guy at 168. Floyd has a pretty good resume also, but I feel Roy wanted to keep proving himself whereas Floyd is content with what hes already accomplished.
Either way Pac has 2 catch-weight fights and Roy has 1 and Floyd has 1 and put together = 2.
Pac has more title catch-weight fight but that is not what Kev said, he just said catch-weight fights. No not knock on either but they did have a catch-weight fight.
I know what he said and I understand your clarification.
My clarification however, is that there's a big ****in difference.
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Honestly, there's nothing wrong with catchweight fights. I have always said there's nothing wrong with catchweight fights.
Catchweight title fights for major titles, one of them vacant. Not that great of a feat.
145 and 150 for no titles, cool, no prob.
There was nothing wrong with JCC-Whitaker for the lineal title for a catch-weight.
There is nothing wrong with Martinez-Williams II for the lineal title at a catch-weight.
There was nothing wrong with Pacqiao-Cotto for a major title at a catch-weight.
There is something wrong and not a great feat with Pacquiao-Margarito at a catch-weight for a vacant title that neither deserved.
Either way, you are talking about title fights, record breaking at that.
Versus.
Two non-title fights.
One billed as a tuneup coming off a layoff.. and another between two old shot fighters just trying to make an event out of their names...
Either way Pac has 2 catch-weight fights and Roy has 1 and Floyd has 1 and put together = 2.
Pac has more title catch-weight fight but that is not what Kev said, he just said catch-weight fights. No not knock on either but they did have a catch-weight fight.
Now, that is true but that is not what Kev said.
But, at the same time those were 7 and 8 divisions. While skipping 2 whole divisions so in reality 9 and 10 divisions.
But, the Marg for a title was BS....
Either way, you are talking about title fights, record breaking at that.
Versus.
Two non-title fights.
One billed as a tuneup coming off a layoff.. and another between two old shot fighters just trying to make an event out of their names...
He has more catchweight title fights than both Roy and Floyd put together, though.
Now, that is true but that is not what Kev said.
But, at the same time those were 7 and 8 divisions. While skipping 2 whole divisions so in reality 9 and 10 divisions.
But, the Marg for a title was BS....
roy jones beat an
undefeated top 3 smw james toney
1 loss bernard hopkins
prime antonio tarver
top 10 heavyweight john ruiz
top 10 lhw virgil hill
undefeated montell griffin
undefeated eric harding
undefeated julio cesar gonzalez
top 10 lhw mike mccallum
just because you were not watching boxing at that time, doesn't mean jones really fought bums because you read some one say he did.
Mayweather's resume is also far from bad.
Undefeated corrales
undefeated hatton
wbc champ and top 5 jmw de la hoya
juan manuel marquez as a tune-up
#1 welterweight shane mosley
ring/lineal champ jose luis castillo
wbc/ring/lineal champ baldomir
wbc champ and top 5 jww arturo gatti
one of the only 2 fighters to stop/beat hernandez
top 5 sfw jesus chavez
top 5 jww corley
top 5 ww zab judah
you need to stick to just watching/praising manny pacquiao.
Facts are too hard for some people to swallow.....