i don't give a **** if it's 147 or 154. i think it'll be a good fight.
you're the one crying how unfair it will be if it's at 147.
yet it's fair at 154 right?
give me a break.
if floyd fought pwill at 147 i wouldn't complain. i think you're just trying to make something out of nothing.
boohoo pac-pwill at 147 is so unfair for the 6'4 giant. lmfao
yet a guy who comes in at 145-150 , it's fair to fight a 6'4 guy at 154.
lame.
in the end if pwill thinks he can make 147 , let him try. he's gonna get a big fight and big money.
Well they want pac to get beat ... can't really blame them flomos.
You got me all wrong today Tua, I'm not discrediting any of those wins. Just that I want to see Pacquiao or Mayweather challenge themselves, all I askin' for. We all know the opponents, atleast some of us.
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pwill at 147 not a challenge?
If Paul Williams was in the same shape he was when he last left 147, then that is the toughest fight I can imagine for him. Paul Williams has a constant flicking jab that Pac would have far too much trouble getting past, Pac is damn near a foot shorter. Add in the constant activity and Pac wouldn't be able to escape it.
On topic however, Paul Williams could make 147 but I don't think he would be that healthy in doing it. He's been at 154-160 for a few fights now, it would not be easy for him to get back down.
he was down to 147 since his last fight trying to get a fight there
he says he can, no problem, but a bunch of dudes on boxingscene say he can't....
lulz.
saying pwill is no challenge for pac at 147 is blatantly trying to discredit pac because no one was saying this before and pwill is the best other 147lb challenge for pac besides floyd "gonna fake my own death or get myself locked up into protective custody" mayweather.
pwill is a beast at ww and says he has trouble putting on weight to make 160.
We're talkin' 147 right? I really can't see Paul being a bigger threat to Pacquiao at 147. Look what Pacquiao did to Margarito when he landed those body shots, and this took place at 150; Margarito who came in at 165. Can you imagine the longer skinnier Paul Williams taking those shots? Paul hasn't faught at 147 in a while, he can probably make it, but I'm certain he'll be weak.
If Paul Williams was in the same shape he was when he last left 147, then that is the toughest fight I can imagine for him. Paul Williams has a constant flicking jab that Pac would have far too much trouble getting past, Pac is damn near a foot shorter. Add in the constant activity and Pac wouldn't be able to escape it.
On topic however, Paul Williams could make 147 but I don't think he would be that healthy in doing it. He's been at 154-160 for a few fights now, it would not be easy for him to get back down.
You got me all wrong today Tua, I'm not discrediting any of those wins. Just that I want to see Pacquiao or Mayweather challenge themselves, all I askin' for. We all know the opponents, atleast some of us.
they have been fighting challenges for the most part.
okay diaz wasn't one but pac was jumping up a division.
okay jmm wasn't one but floyd was coming off a 2 year layoff almost.
mosley was just a challenge for floyd.
cotto was for pac. hatton was for pac.
delahoya was one for floyd , it was his first at 154 and delahoya was still solid.
people think , "oh you have to fight someone that can beat you"
yeah that's how it works with most guys.
but when you're a #1 p4p fighter , not many of those guys exist.
that's why you fight guys like hatton , gatti or clottey or whatever.
guys that are good even though they might not be able to beat you.
i think clottey and margarito were challenges.
and if you don't think they were , you must think cotto was.
that was barely a year ago.
just because he beat them easily doesn't mean they were challenges.
he was just better and won.
i find it funny when floyd fans talk that crap because floyd has been in the same situation.
people discredit hatton , judah , etc. because they weren't "challenges"
fact is hatton and judah were challenges. they were good fighters. just because floyd beat them easily doesn't mean they weren't challenges or good , solid wins. (yeah he had some problems early on with judah but in the end he beat him easily)
You got me all wrong today Tua, I'm not discrediting any of those wins. Just that I want to see Pacquiao or Mayweather challenge themselves, all I askin' for. We all know the opponents, atleast some of us.
Then we'll agree to disagree. I gave Pacquiao credit for beating the much bigger Margarito, although he easily sliced through him. I think it's time he challenges himself, and again...I don't see Paul at 47 presenting much of a challenge. Just my opinion.
i think clottey and margarito were challenges.
and if you don't think they were , you must think cotto was.
that was barely a year ago.
just because he beat them easily doesn't mean they were challenges.
he was just better and won.
i find it funny when floyd fans talk that crap because floyd has been in the same situation.
people discredit hatton , judah , etc. because they weren't "challenges"
fact is hatton and judah were challenges. they were good fighters. just because floyd beat them easily doesn't mean they weren't challenges or good , solid wins. (yeah he had some problems early on with judah but in the end he beat him easily)
I agree, I don't know why people even ask the question. He's said he can do it over and over and if he signs the contract he'll make the weight.
ever since delahoya , everyone makes this big deal about going down a division. fact is delahoya didn't even go down a whole division. the guy went down 3 lbs. he was fighting at 150 catchweights before that. plus he was old and past it and on top of that he did some stupid new kangaroo diet thing.
fact is a lot of people go down in division.
some succeed , some don't.
these are pro athletes that have been cutting weight since they were teenagers fighting in the amateurs.
they know what they're doing.
sometimes they screw it up but usually they can get in decent enough shape.
i don't get easily offended.
i don't agree with you. i think you're wrong.
now it could be that pwill can't make 147. wouldn't blame him if he couldn't.
but i don't think pacquiao fighting pwill at 147 is some big advantage for pacquiao like you make it out to be.
Then we'll agree to disagree. I gave Pacquiao credit for beating the much bigger Margarito, although he easily sliced through him. I think it's time he challenges himself, and again...I don't see Paul at 47 presenting much of a challenge. Just my opinion.
No, I said personally I don't think Paul can be a healthy 147 pounder. And in the past I've said I wanted Mayweather to fight Paul Williams at 154 for the same reasons. So don't turn into all these other Pacquiao fans who get easily offended over dumb shit now Tua.
i don't get easily offended.
i don't agree with you. i think you're wrong.
now it could be that pwill can't make 147. wouldn't blame him if he couldn't.
but i don't think pacquiao fighting pwill at 147 is some big advantage for pacquiao like you make it out to be.
Martinez used the ring when he needed to and did so well against Paul because he has fast hands and a good boxing IQ. He figured out what would land as the fight went on. If he hadn't gassed out he would have won.
Pacquiao will do all those things only better, aside from gas out. He'll use his feet to get in and out faster, he's figure out his openings the way Sergio did but sooner (Sergio didnt figure out his best punch until Rd 9), and he'll throw/land way more punches.
No way Williams lasts 12 at 147.
only problem is pacquiao doesn't really fight like sergio.
he can in spurts but he doesn't really do it. it's not in his nature.
another thing is sergio has like a half of foot on pacquiao and longer reach as well.
closer comparison would be williams-quintana.
it could be like the 1st one or it could be like the 2nd where pac gets ktfo.
he was 152 for cintron a few months ago.
it might be hard but if he thinks he can make 147 , go for it.
it's big money.
I agree, I don't know why people even ask the question. He's said he can do it over and over and if he signs the contract he'll make the weight.
i don't give a **** if it's 147 or 154. i think it'll be a good fight.
you're the one crying how unfair it will be if it's at 147.
yet it's fair at 154 right?
give me a break.
if floyd fought pwill at 147 i wouldn't complain. i think you're just trying to make something out of nothing.
boohoo pac-pwill at 147 is so unfair for the 6'4 giant. lmfao
yet a guy who comes in at 145-150 , it's fair to fight a 6'4 guy at 154.
lame.
in the end if pwill thinks he can make 147 , let him try. he's gonna get a big fight and big money.
No, I said personally I don't think Paul can be a healthy 147 pounder. And in the past I've said I wanted Mayweather to fight Paul Williams at 154 for the same reasons. So don't turn into all these other Pacquiao fans who get easily offended over dumb shit now Tua.
He can still make 147. He has no reason to lie about it and he was making 147 easily.
he was 152 for cintron a few months ago.
it might be hard but if he thinks he can make 147 , go for it.
it's big money.
how will williams-martinez be like pacquiao-williams?
Martinez used the ring when he needed to and did so well against Paul because he has fast hands and a good boxing IQ. He figured out what would land as the fight went on. If he hadn't gassed out he would have won.
Pacquiao will do all those things only better, aside from gas out. He'll use his feet to get in and out faster, he's figure out his openings the way Sergio did but sooner (Sergio didnt figure out his best punch until Rd 9), and he'll throw/land way more punches.
No way Williams lasts 12 at 147.
Well me personally...I don't think so. As for Glen, thats all good, but as a boxing fan why would I want to see Paul take that kind of risk? Why would anyone? Just do it at 54, I couldn't care less if both Mayweather or Pacquiao lost to Paul or Martinez, just do it at 54, sick of all the catchweight bullcrap.
i don't give a **** if it's 147 or 154. i think it'll be a good fight.
you're the one crying how unfair it will be if it's at 147.
yet it's fair at 154 right?
give me a break.
if floyd fought pwill at 147 i wouldn't complain. i think you're just trying to make something out of nothing.
boohoo pac-pwill at 147 is so unfair for the 6'4 giant. lmfao
yet a guy who comes in at 145-150 , it's fair to fight a 6'4 guy at 154.
lame.
in the end if pwill thinks he can make 147 , let him try. he's gonna get a big fight and big money.