7 Reasons Margarito Will Stop Pacquiao

Pac drop Cotto twice, Shane didnt, and that was with both hands of Pac? I dont think people really think Pac hits hard until you get in the ring with him. Marg will underestimate Pacs power but eventually all those blows will take an effect. I think after the 3-4th round youll start to see whos going to take this fight.. Lol...i just found this thread browsing around, and you called this perfectly! Props! :boxing:

nice analysis That's an expert's analysis for you.

After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao. 1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either. 2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts. 3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc. 4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook. 5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward. 6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs. 7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go. To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is: Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down? Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question. I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10. nice analysis

pacquiao will win a UD. He wont get tired and margie is gonna have a hard time trying to catch him.. is just way to fast for him.

Maybe none of that will be a factor at all. Maybe Pacquiao's speed of movement + his conditioning will be enough to entirely negate Margarito's overbearing physical presence and he can dart in and out, side to side, avoiding the brunt of Tony's attack while nailing him at will from all angles. If he did that against a Margarito who comes out looking strong and purposeful it would be remarkable, but I'm open to that as a possible outcome...maybe Manny really is that superhuman. For my part, I just meant it's stupid to act like the Garcia fight is telling, or to talk about how Garcia walked through a high number of punches or bulled him around at points as if Manny can do the same. For me, it comes down to what Margarito has left and his last fight wasn't enough to fully guage that. Margarito appears to have had an ebullient, productive camp and to be getting himself in good shape, but that can be misleading if the fighter is already irreversibly deteriorated - there are certain things in a fighter that no amount of hard labor in camp can bring back once they're gone. One thing I think I have fully convinced myself of is that Tony was always naturally pretty heavy-handed as a welterweight and that illegal advantages weren't anything to do with the hurt he put on Cotto or earlier opponents. I look at Pacquiao's smallish welterweight stature, how tender his face has looked even after dominating in his last two fights, and conclude that, for all his resilience, he can't afford to get hit much against Margarito. Not least because Margarito builds momentum the more he hits you, you can't allow him to get a foothold. If Pacquiao is exchanging firepower instead of just dispensing it, he's in trouble. Good post, but it is also important to realize that superficial injuries and swelling do not equate to a lack of durability. Take Margarito's loss to Mosley for example. Even after taking a severe beating, Margarito's face was still relatively unmarked, he still got broken down and knocked out. How a fighters face shows the punishment they take is largely individual, and has no bearing on their durability. Ricky Hatton made a career out of being durable, and his face looked like he went through a meat grinder after every fight. He still took what his opponents had to offer, and beat them down.

Margo is not going to be able to have a hight output of punches as he usually does. He is not running Pac over Pac is coming to light for this fight and supports your theory...... but I dont believe that pac is going to run the whole fight its not in his nature I believe......:boxing:

After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao. 1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either. 2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts. 3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc. 4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook. 5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward. 6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs. 7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go. To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is: Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down? Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question. I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10. Great Analysis, I can see this happening; either way it will be agreat fight while it lasts!

Personally I think if Pacquiao doesn't stop him in 5 rounds or less he's gonna have huge problems. Mosley and Williams always clinched Margarito everytime he got a pace going. Pacquiao doesn't clinch. IMO, he's gonna have alot of problems in this fight. However if he sticks to angles and uses his speed properly I can see Pacquiao winning this fight. He needs to focus on the body to slow down Margarito.

i also believe margarito has a much better chance of winning than what the oddsmakers and other people are saying. i give pac a slight edge in winning, but it coulde go eithr way in my eyes. pac shouldnt have taken this fight (at least not at 150 lbs), it might jeopardize the mayweather fight.

say that to cotto You've been here for a while. Strength and punching power are not the same thing. Mosley was a powerlifter for a while no? Which means, if you've ever been a lifter, wrestler etc. that when tied up you exert some serious pressure and tax the other person with your physical strength. The power of your shots has nothing to do with this... While Pac has alot of effective power with his shots, it does not necessarily mean he can exert that taxing pressure when tied up (if he can on Margarito).... I mean, come on now...

I don't hold bias against either in this bout, but this black dude can clearly see Margarito has a bunch of plusses on his side. He's even tiring out his speed guys in sparring. I don't think a win is that much of a stretch when he's doing all the things he can to offset Manny's legs. He even looks a little quicker than usual himself. Ricky Hatton had 0 trouble backing Pac up and his chin and durability was gone at that point. Tone's a real monster with that pressure. And without clinching, I'm real curious to see if a new blueprint to beat this guy can be made Saturday. This is not zombie DLH Manny's fighting. I agree with you 100%. I keep seeing the Mosley fight mentioned as a reason Pac will win but Pac doesnt fight like that. Shane landed some monster body shots and his hit, hold, hold, hit style never let Cheato get going. If Cheato still has something left in the tank I see a repeat of the Cotto fight. Just like in the Cotto fight the size difference is going to be too much even for Pac.

The biggest problem I see Tony is making is stating outloud that he is unconcerned about Pacs power, he sees him as a very fast pesky guy and as he stated in 24/7 no way he can see a way that Pac can hurt him let alone stop him. That's a big fuc k ing mistake, ask Hatton, Cotto, DLH, Etc. Manny is a strong little guy and it seems like all his opponents continue to make the same mistake by underestimating his strength and power. Garcia keeps saying it, Margarito keeps saying it, not smart, especially when the last two real opponents you faced collectively hit you with what like 600 power punches?

Note: I didn't take the Mosley fight into account because it will have little/no effect on the outcome of the fight. u are typically a very good analytical poster but you should take a look at your post. This fight will closely resemble the DLH fight but Margs will definitely throw more punches and be willing to walk through some fire to get his own punches in. If Margs can catch Pac early and hurt him he may be able to break Pac down over the long haul. Otherwise he will take a beating, whether or not Pac can stop him or not.

Queloque you have to take into consideration that Margarito is coming down 4lbs since his last fight. You're looking at a 100% healthy WW Tony. You don't know how he's gonna look like at 150, coming down from 154, at age 32. We saw DLH fight at 154 in a competitive fight against an A+ fighter in Mayweather then goes down to a 150 catchweight just months after and doesn't look that spectacular against a bloated JWW in Steve Forbes. And you can kinda compare Forbes to Pacquiao in that Forbes was smaller and faster than DLH, while DLH had a good chin and came forward all night. Pacquiao is smaller and faster than Margarito and Margarito has a good chin and will be coming forward all night minus the good jab that DLH had. Although DLH beat Forbes, don't forget how the featherfisted Forbes left DLH's face and Pacquiao is no featherfisted boxer. Very good points. Agree with you about the forbes-dlh fight. also about tony, we dont know what kind of shape he will be in, strength and physical condition wise. I hope to see a great fight, cant wait

After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao. 1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either. 2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts. 3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc. 4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook. 5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward. 6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs. 7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go. To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is: Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down? Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question. I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10. Point 5 is the worst mistake a Pac opponent would make. If they put too much respect on Pac's speed, and not respect Pac's power (the left), they will get KD/KOed.

After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao. 1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either. 2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts. 3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc. 4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook. 5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward. 6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs. 7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go. To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is: Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down? Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question. I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10. you have an argument, but i think all of what you said comes down to one question, how much does margarito have left? even you said you didnt count the mosley fight. he got brutalized. no way in hell pacquiao would be fighting the margarito who fought cotto. you could have have hit him with a bat and he still would have kept coming forward. if ariza is right, he will tire, and thats where margaritos chance is. lets hope you are right and he has enough to KHTFO

After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao. 1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either. 2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts. 3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc. 4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook. 5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward. 6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs. 7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go. To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is: Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down? Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question. I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10. 8. Pacquiao forgot to bring his aura of invincibility on fight night. :rofl: :rofl:

Margarito after the fight will be saying "He was too fast." hahahah dont count on it!!!pac will be saying (hes too big):boxing: after tony beats him

I basically see it similar to Dwyer in that Pacquiao will backup to the ropes and when he does, he'll find it hard to get off because Margarito will be swarming him with punches. As Pacquiao showed in the Cotto fight, Freddie's gameplan doesn't always go according to plan if Pacquiao doesn't adhere to it. Cotto is a bigger single puncher than Margarito, so I don't think Manny made the calculation before going to the ropes. I just think Manny loves to scrap and won't just become passive become passive because of Margarito. I don't see Margarito letting Pacquiao fight in the middle of the ring and if he does, I can see him still being effective. But to win he has to put Pacquiao on the ropes. Pac can use his legs to circle for a lot of the fight, but even he needs some rest time. The Williams fight told me just how suffocating the pressure can be. good points but the Williams fight was years ago, and that was a younger Tony who can manage to throw infinite punches per round we don't know if Tony is still capable to throw that kind of barrage what we know is that Manny can throw that numbers as long as he figured out that he can overwhelm him by his speed

I honestly don't know what's gonna happen in this fight because I see it as a 50/50. On one hand, I see Pac pulling a David Diaz type of fight. Lots of in and outs, stepping to the side out of danger and keeping Margarito turning. On the other hand, Margarito will be going forward despite being hit unlike Diaz. Can Pacquiao take the pressure? Mosley held Margarito ALOT to prevent him from going forward with momentum unlike Cotto. Pacquaio NEVER holds his opponents. Can Pacquiao pull a Cotto type backwards fight and be more successful? A lot of questions that I don't think can be answered until the fight. We all know what Margarito does and can do. We just don't know how Pacquiao will react and take it to dish out his stuff.