Read an interesting article by Ron Borges on this subject. Thought i would share some of the quotes from said article:
"Floyd is definitely losing the PR battle. Bob Arum is so much smarter than these other guys who are involved. He's magnificent man.....these guys aren't smart enough to understand the brilliance of how Arum does business. He already got Margarito signed, sealed and delivered as Pac's next opponent. He's making more money for himself with less risk to his fighter....it's brilliant" - DON KING
Financially Arum has more interest in making Cotto or MArgo vs Pac. He get's some of both. He get's none of Floyd.
King also mentions his lobster lunch meeting with Floyd. Floyd asked King "how he would make the fight." King told him ".....you want to get an education they can't give you at Harvard Business School, you got to pay tuition"
Some real pearls of wisdom from Lou DiBella:
"There are alot of factors why this hasn't gotten done.....there's no commissioner or administrative body overseeing the sport so drug testing becomes a negotiation issue rather than an industry issue"
"Maybe Manny is clean, but when you refuse to agree to what the experts say is meaningful testing it raises doubts. I don't know what Mayweather really thinks, but my guess is he believes Manny is dirty because he won't agree to full testing. Because there is no state regulations or blood testing for HGH"
" There's also economic problems. Only so big a number can be done. Even if there's two million PPV buys, when you split it 50-50 it's a problem. Floyd made the lion's share of the money whe he fought Mosley. That's not the case against Pacquaio. If you're getting 80% of 1.4 million PPV buys, 50% of 2.2 million buys is not all that much more"
"Arum can make more money from a Pacquaio v MArgarito fight where he has both sides. His profit margin may be better long term if Manny never fights Floyd"
"Then you add in the hate factor. Al HAymon was part of Mayweather getting away from Arum in the first place. You think Arum wants to deal with Al Haymon, who can be a difficult businessman to deal with? You think Haymon wants to do a deal with Arum? No, they want to WIN the deal, which makes it hard to make the deal"
"It's not out of the question this fight never happens....when neither guys economic survival is dependent on this fight, there's less pressure to make it than people think"
"People say it's irrational not to make this fight. So? This sport is characterised by irrationality. You ever see Lennox Lewis fight Riddick Bowe? Why is this any different?"
Lol, why would we need to avoid this thread?
It's just a justification of Mayweathers ***** reasons for not fighting.
Did you just admit to being a PacTard?:dunce:
i disagree, but i respect your opinion.
manny was willing to do all the tests the commission requires, plus additional tests no one else has to go through. at least he's trying to make the fight.
floyd on the other hand made another excuse beside the testing why he didn't fight pacquiao (vacation)
better testing should be implemented period, not just one fighter picking who has to take the extra tests.
Testing should be a standard, not a stipulation.
That was what Dibella was saying, but there is no set standard for boxing at all so how can there be a standard drug test. It is what it is.
The reason the fight hasn't happeaned is simple it is ego, and it doesn't just relate to Manny and Floyd but both their teams NEED to win at this point for the fight to go through. It is fairly stupid but that is the point it has reached.
Both sides should be finding ways to make the fight happean but in reality both sides are really doing very little to achieve that goal.
That is my only problem really is that both sides are at fault but almost no one blames both sides it is either or.
You just trust athletes on their word (and inferior testing) that theya re not using. Even if they do suspicious things (like refusing testing).
It would be like someone calling me a child rapist then me saying back ok you can check me out on any date aslong as I know you are comming and this week before I leave town because I going to be busy doing something. If you don't agree sorry no investigation at all for you~
Sorry in 2010 no athlete is beyond cheating in this manner, no amtter what you think of their level of character.
Manny should man up and do the tests
i disagree, but i respect your opinion.
manny was willing to do all the tests the commission requires, plus additional tests no one else has to go through. at least he's trying to make the fight.
floyd on the other hand made another excuse beside the testing why he didn't fight pacquiao (vacation)
better testing should be implemented period, not just one fighter picking who has to take the extra tests.
Testing should be a standard, not a stipulation.
conte thinks floyd should stop being a pussy and meet pacquiao half way. i agree with him
better testing, im all for it but this fight being made is more important than implementing a new, radical testing procedure where one side is asking the other to prove his innocence after making the accusations.
that's like me accusing you to be a child rapist and asking you to prove your innocence by going to court with my choice of judge, jury, and lawyer.
You just trust athletes on their word (and inferior testing) that theya re not using. Even if they do suspicious things (like refusing testing).
It would be like someone calling me a child rapist then me saying back ok you can check me out on any date aslong as I know you are comming and this week before I leave town because I going to be busy doing something. If you don't agree sorry no investigation at all for you~
Sorry in 2010 no athlete is beyond cheating in this manner, no amtter what you think of their level of character.
Manny should man up and do the tests
The purpose of the testing by Floyd was never intended to catch the Manny cheating( hence why bother going through all the rigorous training regimen if u feel that he will be caught). The purpose of Random testing, without a cut-off date, is to deter cheating; the test might not be 100% accurate, but the persons being tested aren't a 100% certain they won't be caught, therefore, the inclination to cheat is not worth the risk.
conte thinks floyd should stop being a pussy and meet pacquiao half way. i agree with him
better testing, im all for it but this fight being made is more important than implementing a new, radical testing procedure where one side is asking the other to prove his innocence after making the accusations.
that's like me accusing you to be a child rapist and asking you to prove your innocence by going to court with my choice of judge, jury, and lawyer.
look at this unreasonable pactard..................
:nonono:
The purpose of the testing by Floyd was never intended to catch the Manny cheating( hence why bother going through all the rigorous training regimen if u feel that he will be caught). The purpose of Random testing, without a cut-off date, is to deter cheating; the test might not be 100% accurate, but the persons being tested aren't a 100% certain they won't be caught, therefore, the inclination to cheat is not worth the risk.
Who wrote that article? Cause it's got shitty spelling/editing. Have the link to the whole thing?
it was a transcription of an interview of conte by some pinoy writer.
http://www.examiner.com/filipino-sports-in-national/i-was-contacted-by-mayweather-s-people-exclusive-interview-with-victor-conte-part-2
Same old same old OST bs perpetuated by flomos. Seems to me they're even proud of this sh1t. Can't see myself defending this crap especially when it's based on a crackhead's accusations. I'd be embarrassed to even participate in these silly arguments. Pactards must be wishing Floyd just fight someone else. Who cares about this fight at this point in time, anyway?
Same posters repeating the same sh1t.
As soon as King started spouting off to the media about how easily he and Arum could make Pac-May, that was the last you heard about a Floyd-King lobster eating partnership and $100 million deals :lol1:
may-don king was a dud. i guess may-ellerbe lives on
i guess don king's money won't persuade the diva to dance wth pacman...
As soon as King started spouting off to the media about how easily he and Arum could make Pac-May, that was the last you heard about a Floyd-King lobster eating partnership and $100 million deals :lol1:
look at this unreasonable pactard..................
:nonono:
Who wrote that article? Cause it's got shitty spelling/editing. Have the link to the whole thing?
A boxing expert/pro agrees with the majority.
"For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." -- Victor Conte
look at this unreasonable pactard..................
:nonono:
"Maybe Manny is clean, but when you refuse to agree to what the experts say is meaningful testing it raises doubts. I don't know what Mayweather really thinks, but my guess is he believes Manny is dirty because he won't agree to full testing. Because there is no state regulations or blood testing for HGH" -- Lou DiBella
A boxing expert/pro agrees with the majority.
Floyd asks for tests that aren't required by anyone, anywhere. Pac tries to accomondate and Mayweather still complains. Mayweather avoids the fight for personal reasons so Pac fights someone else/ thread/ story.
thats pretty much it in a nutshell.
maybe floyd is a coward, maybe he really thinks manny is on PED's, maybe he really wants to make the sport cleaner.
none of that matters cause pacquiao has been subjecting himself to the standard tests, and it his not his obligation to accommodated floyd's unusual request. has said himself that he will take all tests the commission requires him to, not what floyd tells him to. heck, he was willing to be take tests far stricter and more invasive than what all boxers has to go through just to make the fight, yet he is the one being put under fire.
Floyd asks for tests that aren't required by anyone, anywhere. Pac tries to accomondate and Mayweather still complains. Mayweather avoids the fight for personal reasons so Pac fights someone else/ thread/ story.
please explain..............
Floyd asks for tests that aren't required by anyone, anywhere. Pac tries to accomondate and Mayweather still complains. Mayweather avoids the fight for personal reasons so Pac fights someone else/ thread/ story.
And this is new information how? I'm a pactard, and I think Pac acted like a retard in reaction to the drug tests. He should have just told that scared ***** to **** off to begin with.
Random testing up to 7 days, and right after the weigh in. What is wrong with that?
There is absolutely no physical evidence (no weird weight histories, no pictures, nothing) to substantiate any claims.
"Daddy, look what he did to Cotto? He must be on drugs" is the extent of Mayweather pathetic argument.
You were answered your question by DiBella , your 7 days is obviously not meaningful enough to the experts ,,,, you can have an opinion but its not valid over that of the experts , the experts dont tell Manny and Arum how to box , and yet you rate their opinion higher concerning drugs ,,, what was I saying before about thinking like a kid !
Lou DiBella
when you refuse to agree to what the experts say is meaningful testing it raises doubts
Lol, why would we need to avoid this thread?
It's just a justification of Mayweathers ***** reasons for not fighting.
Because it states from a prominate man the reason why Pacs doubters think he is suspect , and this is the reason why Floyd is so strong about random with NO cutt off .
Arum is smart but he should not of tried to get out of fighting Floyd by fuking with PEDS testing , its a world wide cause out there that lots of people believe in , its extremely important athletes are clean , and Manny snubbed his nose at it and then fights a cheat ,, its morally wrong ,
Lou DiBella
"Maybe Manny is clean, but when you refuse to agree to what the experts say is meaningful testing it raises doubts. I don't know what Mayweather really thinks, but my guess is he believes Manny is dirty because he won't agree to full testing. Because there is no state regulations or blood testing for HGH