So... when did Pac started using PEDS?

Nobody cared then ,,, people took notice when Manny ran from the testing , anybody else would have just blown it off and said sure thing , test no problems I will take it out on you in the ring ,,, but not Manny , he wants to dilute the test . you dont start cleaning up the sport by throwing libelous accusations against the fighter who you gonna fight. both these fighters are star level status w/ huge prides and defaming their characters before any deal is started isn't the right way to do it. you flomos like to turn a blind eye on how the whole mayweather clan slandered pacquiao even before and fight deal got started. during the 2nd round of negotiations, everyone was calm, pac called floyd's bluff, but junior grew a vagina and took a vacation.

Minus the name calling of anyone who defends a fighter (Flomo/Pactard), I'm one who thinks Pac has dabbled in PED's. And it didn't take Floyd Sr or anyone else to convince me. When Pac fought Diaz is when I would "assume" he started. When Floyd went on the PED campaign, I truly believe Arum started setting up tomato cans to see how Pac looks in the ring minus the PED's. Which explains the ebb and flow of Pac's career. Prior to Diaz, he had flash knockdown power (fast punches you don't see coming) which explains why Marquez got floored 3 times in a round and never looked like he was gone and why Morales just sat there waiting to be counted out with all his bearings intact. Fast forward to Diaz, Hatton, and Cotto and he's completely disconnecting these guys from their senses. His habits also changed. You go from legendary workout sessions in camp leading into every fight to now sleeping thru workouts, reflexes shot in all the sparring sessions for this fight, etc. Now I don't think he's on steroids, but I do believe he was on some type of EPO or edurance performaning agent prior to the drums being beat about testing. I honestly think he's off of them because they can't risk him testing positive for anything. We all know Margarito is a limited but tough customer, but I'm willing to bet Pac doesn't look spectacular at all. In fact, I believe the "unfocused" angle is smoke and mirrors for the real reason for Pac camps not being like the previous ones. No worries because he can continue using since they won't be testing him this fight.

No way. The news say he can't even freakin go up to 147. So this Pac-Williams prognostications makes no sense to me. This is like watching Bruce Lee and Abdul Jabarr in Game of Death. I could've sworn Williams was a name thrown out there for Floyd. And spare me the he can't make 147 crap. He walked into some of his lower weight fights rehydrated at damn near 145. Unless you have different (i.e. lower) expectations for the FOTD than you do with a lower tiered fighter like Floyd.....

Minus the name calling of anyone who defends a fighter (Flomo/Pactard), I'm one who thinks Pac has dabbled in PED's. And it didn't take Floyd Sr or anyone else to convince me. When Pac fought Diaz is when I would "assume" he started. When Floyd went on the PED campaign, I truly believe Arum started setting up tomato cans to see how Pac looks in the ring minus the PED's. Which explains the ebb and flow of Pac's career. Prior to Diaz, he had flash knockdown power (fast punches you don't see coming) which explains why Marquez got floored 3 times in a round and never looked like he was gone and why Morales just sat there waiting to be counted out with all his bearings intact. Fast forward to Diaz, Hatton, and Cotto and he's completely disconnecting these guys from their senses. His habits also changed. You go from legendary workout sessions in camp leading into every fight to now sleeping thru workouts, reflexes shot in all the sparring sessions for this fight, etc. Now I don't think he's on steroids, but I do believe he was on some type of EPO or edurance performaning agent prior to the drums being beat about testing. I honestly think he's off of them because they can't risk him testing positive for anything. We all know Margarito is a limited but tough customer, but I'm willing to bet Pac doesn't look spectacular at all. In fact, I believe the "unfocused" angle is smoke and mirrors for the real reason for Pac camps not being like the previous ones.

Back in the year 1756. It was on a cold night. If I recall correctly.

The thought is Pac started when he started jumping up in weight so easily retaining his speed and power (possibly increasing his power). He is literally the only one in the history of boxing to do this. Not even Ray Robinson, Leonard, Mosley, Roy Jones, etc could do it. U have to admit, it may not be roids, but it's has to be some kinda special vitamins or something. Now for anyone to sit there and say that he ABSOLUTELY IS on roids, they're just hating. But it's the same kinda people that think Floyd beat his x-gf, and that Tyson raped that woman, and that Michael Jackson touched those kids. They don't know, it's non of their business, why not wait till the evidence pops up. But Pac HASN'T retained all his speed and power. Pac is clearly slower than he was at 126 or 130, both his handspeed and footspeed. He is still so incredibly fast looking because he is fighting guys that are so much slower. And Pac's power is clearly on a lesser level. At lower weights Pac was lifting guys off the mat with punches and had that one punch KO power, other than Hatton, who walked into a perfect shot, Pac hasn't shown anywhere near the power he had at lower weights. He beat on Diaz for 9 rounds and never put him down, De La Hoya for 8 rounds and never put him down, Cotto was down twice but both were great shots that Cotto didn't see coming and walked into, Clottey was never hurt, and Margarito won't go down. I won't say there's no way Pac is using PEDs, because there's no one you can say is 100% clean, but there's nothing there to suggest Pac is using anything. You would think if someone as high profile and with such a constantly large entourage as Pac has was using PEDs, someone would be telling someone, and nothing like that exists.

When? When Flomos started to accused Pacman in Media! thats the time pacman started to use PED! Nobody cared then ,,, people took notice when Manny ran from the testing , anybody else would have just blown it off and said sure thing , test no problems I will take it out on you in the ring ,,, but not Manny , he wants to dilute the test .

When? When Flomos started to accused Pacman in Media! thats the time pacman started to use PED!

Pacquiao has always been a cheat. He began using A-Side Meth when he was 16. You make pureboxer seem like a good poster.

Who knows, this fight may be a tuneup for that, for the 9th weight title at middleweight, 155 catchweight, lol... the fat midget versus the thin tower

Who knows, this fight may be a tuneup for that, for the 9th weight title at middleweight, 155 catchweight, lol... No way. The news say he can't even freakin go up to 147. So this Pac-Williams prognostications makes no sense to me. This is like watching Bruce Lee and Abdul Jabarr in Game of Death.

pac vs pwill? Who knows, this fight may be a tuneup for that, for the 9th weight title at middleweight, 155 catchweight, lol...

But we might see a remake of Bruce Lee vs Kareem. pac vs pwill?

talk about November 13th, when marg will beat pac But we might see a remake of Bruce Lee vs Kareem.

talk about November 13th, when marg will beat pac

dont get with all this sh*t talk again

Pacquiao has always been a cheat. He began using A-Side Meth when he was 16. I definitely agree. He was already using it when he was living in a cardboard box on the streets of Manila, when he was starving. And he still fights with the same intensity, a real dragon.

Alien Side Meth LMAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: Yawn. \/\/\/\/\/

have you ever been in a situation where your life depended on whether or not someone thought you were cheating or tellin the truth? Lets be real i have never touched a million before so if my whole life style was based on public perception i would do anything to maintain that! My life has been on the line for much less than that. What are you going on about , if Manny is innocent the testing will show it , how does his life depend on being innocent , if thats what he is , innocent , it only hangs in the balance if he is guilty , he cannot be found guilty without a guilty test result , and thats the problem , the doubt is not in what anybody says , its in Manny fuken with this test he has no right , no other sporting hero trys to water down a test to stop competitors from cheating why should Manny get a free pass , he changes official rules for nearly all of his fights , Floyd agreed to all of Mannys terms and Manny ran from Floyd only demand a PEDS test , its not on . Dont try and confuse this simple issue , athelets take these tests all the time the only thing that makes Manny look suspicious in my mind is that he is trying too hard to avoid them .

Who cares when he started using. People act like PEDs arrived in WC gym with Ariza when Fortune was giving out PEDs beforehand.