People tend to see Mayweather as a very talented boxer with a sense of invincibility. The fight with Mosley made many people believe that Floyd was indeed human and could be caught with a decent shot. I tend to disagree, looking at Mosley's state in that fight it was a lucky shot that slowed Floyd down temporarily, but Shane failed to put him away, his stamina was ridiculous and he failed to apply any pressure whatsoever.
I see a bigger issue with Floyd's boxing, this doesn't really consider his defence per se. It has always been extremely good, but the issue with Floyd is that he's becoming too calculating, too defensive and especially too PASSIVE.
The fight with De La Hoya showed that clearly, it was a close fight. Not because De La Hoya provided stiff competition, in the rounds where Floyd let his hands go the difference became so apparent, any boxing fan could see Oscar was a class lower. The same happened with Ricky Hatton, as soon as Floyd started putting combinations together it resulted in total domination. These are all shades of the old Pretty Boy, not Money Mayweather.
It is no surprise to me that Floyd didn't want to fight Margarito, a pressure fighter like him could beat the above mentioned style of fighting, simply by overwhelming activity (and taking all his potshots with ease). It's not that I think he's a better fighter, but with this passive ring attitude Floyd could make it very easy to lose a decision against certain fighters. Frankly it also doesn't live up to his potential, which also kinda holds for his later career (but thats a different story).
Adding to this, you can't deny that he fights way more flat footed than before. I'm not suggesting his legs are gone like Roach, but again it does put him at risk against pressure fighters. It's a big difference with the past, just check it out.
Finally, it's been discussed too many times, but I just want to say to people that claim Mayweather will destroy fighters like Pacquiao or even Williams for that matter, think again. His later career style is very prone to being exploited by these types of fighters.
We all know Mayweather has the talent and skills, it's what he chooses to do in his head that severely affects the outcome of his career. This has made him a lot more vulnerable, not the destroying force he was in the lower weight classes. We just have not seen it yet due to the opponents he's fought. I would personally love to see him fight an A-class pressure fighter again, to bring back that movement and amazing boxing ability with vicious combinations. One can only hope...
Floyd is one of the best inside fighters in the game.
Shane Mosely is a beast on the inside...and he couldn't even handle it.
That's what you fail to see....not surprised...seeing who you have in your siggy...LOL
I don't fail to see anything, I'd rather not talk about the Mosley fight because frankly that was more Mosley disappointing me than Floyd impressing me. That's just my opinion.
I know Mayweather can do pretty much everything, we're just not seeing it anymore under pressure, at this stage in his career.
btw thanx for the rep. props guys ;)
Also consider this, it's not about who can beat him skills wise, it's what he does in the ring. Boxing has had many crazy decisions, if you think about it, Mayweather takes a lot of unnecessary risks during fights, by not letting his hands go and letting it go to a decision. That's also a risk if you think about it!!
But he's been fairly blessed throughout his career with decisions. Look at Castillo 1, look at DLH (wasn't that a split decision as well?). Now before idiots start attacking me and saying Floyd easily won the fights THATS NOT THE POINT. I know he did, but another judge might not think so. This passive attitude will backfire against a proper pressure fighter, you can't potshot those all night and fight flat footed.
When Floyd was fighting Castillo he was with Top Rank. Arum was grooming Floyd to be his next cash cow so one would have to wonder about that win in Floyd vs. Castillo 1, but Floyd proved it in #2... LIke you said thats another discussion. We wont really know where Floyd is, if he slow downed, or whatever unless he gets in there with Pacquiao.. The day he does or IF he does then we can discuss where Floyd skills are at in this stage of his career...
I think Floyd just does enough to win..that;s it , he just wins and just does what he has to do. If his opponent is slow , he is slow..if his opponent is fast, then he is fast. When I saw Floyd fight Marquez I was liek damn...Floyd slowed down a lot but then when he fought Mosely..i was liek wow..Floyd looks so fast. Also with Mosley...I think Floyd was more flat footed because he was on the attack more and needed to generate more power to back Shane up. Shane can't fight going backwards and Maywather made shane back paddle all night.
I agree, Floyd does enough to win.. He'll rack up on points and step away.. The TS is exactly right with his analysis on Floyd and we wont be able to determine if he has slow downed or completely flat footed unless he gets in the ring with some who will bring the pressure, has intense stamina, physical attributes, and can throw Floyd off his game. This fighter is Pacquiao, the only prime fighter today that will answer all of our "Is Floyd slowing down or flatfooted questions.."
This stage in Floyds career he will avoid a fighter like Pacquiao...
but thats the thing gambler, who currently could really beat him on the inside? dude is a complete fighter. time and time again he has switched up according to the style of his opponent. 41 fights and 41 different ways/style of fighting.
Also consider this, it's not about who can beat him skills wise, it's what he does in the ring. Boxing has had many crazy decisions, if you think about it, Mayweather takes a lot of unnecessary risks during fights, by not letting his hands go and letting it go to a decision. That's also a risk if you think about it!!
But he's been fairly blessed throughout his career with decisions. Look at Castillo 1, look at DLH (wasn't that a split decision as well?). Now before idiots start attacking me and saying Floyd easily won the fights THATS NOT THE POINT. I know he did, but another judge might not think so. This passive attitude will backfire against a proper pressure fighter, you can't potshot those all night and fight flat footed.
I have never found Floyd to be an overly mobile fighter excpect for specific fights. Floyd gererally has found the best way to win a fight then goes on that plan, and I think he wants to do as little work as possible (why run a marathon when you can run a hundered yards and still be out of range).
I would have to see Floyd against an inside fighters who Floyd can't beat on the inside (a guy whom the best way to beat is stay outside) to see if he really could not be mobile if he needed to.
but thats the thing gambler, who currently could really beat him on the inside? dude is a complete fighter. time and time again he has switched up according to the style of his opponent. 41 fights and 41 different ways/style of fighting.
I have never found Floyd to be an overly mobile fighter excpect for specific fights. Floyd gererally has found the best way to win a fight then goes on that plan, and I think he wants to do as little work as possible (why run a marathon when you can run a hundered yards and still be out of range).
I would have to see Floyd against an inside fighters who Floyd can't beat on the inside (a guy whom the best way to beat is stay outside) to see if he really could not be mobile if he needed to.
I think Floyd just does enough to win..that;s it , he just wins and just does what he has to do. If his opponent is slow , he is slow..if his opponent is fast, then he is fast. When I saw Floyd fight Marquez I was liek damn...Floyd slowed down a lot but then when he fought Mosely..i was liek wow..Floyd looks so fast. Also with Mosley...I think Floyd was more flat footed because he was on the attack more and needed to generate more power to back Shane up. Shane can't fight going backwards and Maywather made shane back paddle all night.
floyd doesn't take any risks. he knows he can safely throw 1-2 punch combos without getting countered. but even when his opponent is hopelessly outmatched, wifebeater still won't let his hands go and try for at KO.
was no lucky shot at all from shane mosley.
He practiced and planned his footwork and foot placing and combination that would connect on floyd(naz his trainer talked specifically about this in interviews),and also he only "faded" late on becuase he saw floyd buckle early smelt blood and went for the KO while forgetting that you cant just go and throw and KO floyd,you have to set it up like he did when he rocked and wobbled him in the first place,he forgot what about his game plan and thats why he lost.
Floyd dissapoints becuase hes such a master of defense but has blatently avioded people and not looked to fight often enough and to fight the best challengers out their since being a welterweight.
Pac may have fought people slightly out of weight and sometimes past prime but hes fought people that everyone thought he coud lose too possibly,and hes dominated them in exciting fashion. Plus he should be less expectant to fight people he has like cotto,clottey and soon to be margarito ,as hes smaller and less a skilled defensive boxer than Floyd is.
there both great in thier own way,and future greats without each other,but i think pac looks the more impressive at the moment,floyd needs to beat pac more than pac needs to beat floyd.
theres only a small numbers of opponents either one can face anymore.
pacman,martinez,berto(maybe) and williams for floyd.
marquez 3rd match,floyd,mosley or berto for pacman to have left to fight.
He has to PUT himself in a competitive fight first. Hatton was the most competitive fight he's had in half a decade and he is completely 1 dimensional(though he's great at what he does.) Plus Hatton is not a welterweight- like the majority of Floyd's Welterweight bouts.
It's not like they're not available: Pacquiao, Margarito, Cotto, Paul Williams. They're all there waiting to test Mayweather- As badly as the boxing fans WANT to see Mayweather get tested.
I'm a huge Floyd fan, and I'm not saying he CAN'T the best, just that he still hasn't proven it.
Ever since I saw him fight Diego Corrales, I thought damn.. this guy is something special, but every fight since that has just been a letdown because of the opponents he chooses, and the opponents he lets pass him by, who could given him an incredible fight and a chance to showcase just how much talent he really has.
Shane Mosley was a brief glimmer of hope in seeing Floyd fight a competitive fight, but even though shane used to be dangerous, he always looks horrible against slick boxers and movers anyway, and he obviously wasn't the same Shane Mosley that he used to be that night.
U can say the same thing for Pac.
You must have rabies like your dickless hero...sorry dress-wearin' biitch.
You're mind is on Floyd more than his fiance.
you must have a dick in your mouth like your homo hero.
you mind is on ellerbe's cock than on boxing.
I think Floyd just does enough to win..that;s it , he just wins and just does what he has to do. If his opponent is slow , he is slow..if his opponent is fast, then he is fast. When I saw Floyd fight Marquez I was liek damn...Floyd slowed down a lot but then when he fought Mosely..i was liek wow..Floyd looks so fast. Also with Mosley...I think Floyd was more flat footed because he was on the attack more and needed to generate more power to back Shane up. Shane can't fight going backwards and Maywather made shane back paddle all night.
he's wat many refer to as being high talent, low motivation. its what my teachers always described me as. things arent difficult for him so he does enough just to win. it works tho, ive done it all my life...but then again i dont claim to be the best at anything.
I think Floyd just does enough to win..that;s it , he just wins and just does what he has to do. If his opponent is slow , he is slow..if his opponent is fast, then he is fast. When I saw Floyd fight Marquez I was liek damn...Floyd slowed down a lot but then when he fought Mosely..i was liek wow..Floyd looks so fast. Also with Mosley...I think Floyd was more flat footed because he was on the attack more and needed to generate more power to back Shane up. Shane can't fight going backwards and Maywather made shane back paddle all night.
Indeed, can someone tell these stupid kids to kindly **** off and not make this a mayweather/pacquiao thread.
This is a thread about boxing, style, movement and technique of one of the most gifted fighters ever.
If you want to talk about ducking, flomo's or pactards plz get the f out.
Manny won't go near anybody with speed and movement.
Freddy was scared to put him in with Shane at 142.
who's alt are you? let me guess...dios dominicano aka vito corleone aka gino rios...what kind of suffering did you experience at the hands of pinoys for you to have that kind of hate? were you sodomized? you even tried to research pinoy culture and history and brings up anything you see as negative in your posts. you masqueraded as a gay pinoy and used their flag as your avatar. now your using the name of a former disgraced Philippine president as your user name.
i agree and have said this before..floyd makes fights longer than they have to be..he is a very calcualated fighter and i cant deny its worked for him...but when he lets his hands go its a thing of beauty..he just doesnt wanna risk getting hit and i understand that..but if he let his hands go he wouldve stopped alot more fighters
If it aint broke don't fix it. What people fail to realize is that once Floyd adjusts and begins to time his opponents it discourages them from throwing. Floyd often stands right in front of his opponents daring them to throw. Opponents who continue to attack while getting countered can get dropped a la Hatton. If Floyd knows his opponent is scared to throw and he's up big on points why should he leave himself open to the possibility of getting caught? Floyd is often so far ahead on points that he simply cruises to victory. However, if he's pressed and in a competitive fight I think you'll see him let his hands go a lot more.:boxing:
Go troll somewhere else diicksucker.
go suck floyd's anus flomo
Climb back on Nanny's 3incher where you belong you dumb-ass Pacturd fool..
stick your mouth where you mind is, on floyd's 1 incher fukk-face flomo.
Both of you childish mofo is bring this thread down which has great discussions. Both you should just leave this thread.
The TS strictly said in his title no "BW content, strictly boxing" and you guys come in here and act little kids.
Grow up.
You must have rabies like your dickless hero...sorry dress-wearin' biitch.
You're mind is on Floyd more than his fiance.
I am glad that you edit this post, because the original one was ban worthy. But, seriously take this somewhere else.
i don't think he got walked down becuase margarito just started moving faster. Cotto was dead tired and he couldn't out of the way without going straight backwards. his defense is his defense and that same defense had him boxing da hell of margarito for 6 rds straight. better condition and he wins easy.
i gotta agree. if cotto had better conditioning, he'd have boxed the **** outta margarito and won by UD.
however, floyd probably won't fight like that against margarito. wifebeater jr will stand right in front of margarito ducking and dodging margarito's wide hooks or catching margarito's body shots with his arms or shoulder-rolling the right hand. Then floyd will throw wicked counters down the middle, then push or elbow margarito. however, margarito might laugh off wifebeater's 1-punch-counters walking right through them all night. Mosley threw combinations at margarito, he didn't just throw 1 or 2 punches like wifebater jr does. Wifebeater jr would've won by a SD and it would've been a tough fight for wifebeater jr and made him look bad (that's why wifebeater jr ducked margarito, he even said he ducked margarito in that sirius radio show cause he "knew" something was up)
floyd's got brittle hands and he's trying to protect it that's why he's throwing less and less punches. but with an ego as big as floyd's he wouldn't admit it. he needs to take a break and rest his hands before taking a fight again especially with an opponent like pac. with an aggresive fighter and volume puncher like pac, floyd will be forced to punch back and use his hands more. if he hurts his hands early on the fight it's gonna be goodnight for floyd. that's gonna be floyd's biggest disadvantage, he can't slow down against pac because pac will bring the fight to him right in the very first minute of the first round.