Were They Were Just Using Floyds Name!

I see alot of threads in the past 2 days from pac fans asking why 7 days isnt a good enough window for testing. I wonder why these same fans arent asking why did pac and his team say they agreed to full testing when in truth they did not. Its really simple. Arum and pac had no real intention of making the fight right now. In the beginning of the year Roach was asked about the floyd fight and he stated back then that manny would need a few more fights before he fought floyd. Oddly enough now that time has played out that is exactly what happened but no one seems to notice that. After floyd fought shane mosley he stated on national television that if the testing is not up to the day of the fight then there would be no fight. If i heard that then i know Arum and manny heard that. So the question is why did they even try to negotiate. If they were not willing to concede and they knew for a fact floyd wasnt going to budge why did they even bother talking to him? IMo arum knew from the beginning they were going to fight margo but he also knew the public would not view that in a positive light especially with a floyd fight a possibility. So he basically used floyds name to hype the marg fight. Arum has been in the game a long time and as a professional there are certain ways you go about doing business. On a professional level if you want to do business with someone you talk to them and work out a deal. But that is not what Bob did. He basically tried to play a game of telephone. He told guy A to tell guy B to tell floyd what he was willing to accept. He then proceeded to give floyd a deadline. Really? Was this respectful? Is this the way to get a deal done? No it is not. Anyone would feel direspected by that and that is what bob wanted. Mission accomplished. Floyd did not respond. So now he could put manny in with anyone and use the failed negotiation as a way to hype it. Basically he set up the so called negotiations to fail. I mean if you already know the guys terms and you know you are not going to agree to them why would would you even try to talk to him. Just walk away. But they had to make it seem like they wanted floyd or else no one would accept a replacement fight. I will let you all be the judge but i would love to hear opinions from both pac and floyd fans about this. Do you think arum and team pac really tried to make the fight or were they just using floyds name?

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lol Floyd never "signed" a contract..... floyd sighned the contract and if you don't remember around the time of the negotiations arum said the fight was just about done all he has to do is go see manny in the phillipines and gert him to sighn the contract but manny didn't sighn and it slowly started to fall apart from there. heres an article where floyd says he sighned the contract http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content8674.html

15y ago

goldenglove2

i find it funny when people say that especially when floyd sighned the contract and the only thing that was needed was mannys signature but the fight fell apart because manny didn't wanna take the test that roach said he and pac thought were funny lol Floyd never "signed" a contract.....

15y ago

letsgobrady

Floyd is a COWARD for asking OSDT in the first place. Anyway where are you trying to go with this because I hope you know that Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny. Why do you think everybody is calling him a coward. i find it funny when people say that especially when floyd sighned the contract and the only thing that was needed was mannys signature but the fight fell apart because manny didn't wanna take the test that roach said he and pac thought were funny

15y ago

goldenglove2

Here goes another one. Never said my theory was fact. It is a THEORY. Are you going to try a counter it. Maybe you can shed some light but let me guess you got nothing. So why bother commenting? you said Espn, Yahoo , etc were reporting on false info. Gee thanks for that tid bit. Fail.

15y ago

comanick

yes and YOUR information is correct........smh... Here goes another one. Never said my theory was fact. It is a THEORY. Are you going to try a counter it. Maybe you can shed some light but let me guess you got nothing. So why bother commenting?

15y ago

ModernTalking

Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny??? Really? How do you figure that? Because he asked for random drug testing up until the fight and Pac keep refusing? Please! Maybe.. its because Pac ko'd Ricky Hatton who was 1st ko'd by Floyd when he was still undefeated? Or maybe its because Pac did so much better with Marquez than Floyd? Or, because Pac and Roach refused to fight Mosely (even at 142lbs) who was the #1 welterweight in the world, the same one who Floyd dusted? Oh i know, i know its because Pac hits way harder than Shane Mosley. Maybe its Pac's superior boxing skills. Lets see.. Ring smarts? NO. Footwork? No. Head movement? No. Defense? Hell no? Speed? Not really they're even in speed. Ring generalship? Please! How can Pac beat Floyd? Constant pressure? Work rate? Nope. Out boxing him? Never! Floyd has proven over and over again, he WILL adjust to what ever his opponent does. And before any idiot mention it, Floyd had a torn rotator cuff in the 1st Castillio fight, and to silence the critics he took an immediate rematch. Floyd is the best boxer alive...period! The stats don't lie. Pac is good but he's no Floyd. You'll probably say ...well why wont Floyd just fight him and prove it. I want to see this fight just as much as the next fan but im not the one in the ring and im not the one getting the money. All i know is that, if one man can ask for an unheard of, never before in the history of the sport $10,000,000 per pound weight penalty then the other should be able to ask for a little random drug testing. Coward? Really, a professional boxer who's been boxing since 4yrs old...a coward? Interesting.lol You couldn't have said it better, Floyd is a coward for asking random drug testing.

15y ago

ModernTalking

arum and pac really wanted the fight. blood testing for PEDs 7 days before a fight is useless because by that time, a boxer is barely training at all. Wrong .....PAC can still be a killer using PED within those 7 days LOL.

15y ago

goldenglove2

Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny??? Really? How do you figure that? Because he asked for random drug testing up until the fight and Pac keep refusing? Please! Maybe.. its because Pac ko'd Ricky Hatton who was 1st ko'd by Floyd when he was still undefeated? Or maybe its because Pac did so much better with Marquez than Floyd? Or, because Pac and Roach refused to fight Mosely (even at 142lbs) who was the #1 welterweight in the world, the same one who Floyd dusted? Oh i know, i know its because Pac hits way harder than Shane Mosley. Maybe its Pac's superior boxing skills. Lets see.. Ring smarts? NO. Footwork? No. Head movement? No. Defense? Hell no? Speed? Not really they're even in speed. Ring generalship? Please! How can Pac beat Floyd? Constant pressure? Work rate? Nope. Out boxing him? Never! Floyd has proven over and over again, he WILL adjust to what ever his opponent does. And before any idiot mention it, Floyd had a torn rotator cuff in the 1st Castillio fight, and to silence the critics he took an immediate rematch. Floyd is the best boxer alive...period! The stats don't lie. Pac is good but he's no Floyd. You'll probably say ...well why wont Floyd just fight him and prove it. I want to see this fight just as much as the next fan but im not the one in the ring and im not the one getting the money. All i know is that, if one man can ask for an unheard of, never before in the history of the sport $10,000,000 per pound weight penalty then the other should be able to ask for a little random drug testing. Coward? Really, a professional boxer who's been boxing since 4yrs old...a coward? Interesting.lol Manny is the best boxer alive. Period. Floyd didnt want to fight Manny, its PRETTY OBVIOUS to the majority of boxing fans. But whatever makes you sleep at night in Murrrrrrland.

15y ago

goldenglove2

15y ago

comanick

Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny??? Really? How do you figure that? Because he asked for random drug testing up until the fight and Pac keep refusing? Please! Maybe.. its because Pac ko'd Ricky Hatton who was 1st ko'd by Floyd when he was still undefeated? Or maybe its because Pac did so much better with Marquez than Floyd? Or, because Pac and Roach refused to fight Mosely (even at 142lbs) who was the #1 welterweight in the world, the same one who Floyd dusted? Oh i know, i know its because Pac hits way harder than Shane Mosley. Maybe its Pac's superior boxing skills. Lets see.. Ring smarts? NO. Footwork? No. Head movement? No. Defense? Hell no? Speed? Not really they're even in speed. Ring generalship? Please! How can Pac beat Floyd? Constant pressure? Work rate? Nope. Out boxing him? Never! Floyd has proven over and over again, he WILL adjust to what ever his opponent does. And before any idiot mention it, Floyd had a torn rotator cuff in the 1st Castillio fight, and to silence the critics he took an immediate rematch. Floyd is the best boxer alive...period! The stats don't lie. Pac is good but he's no Floyd. You'll probably say ...well why wont Floyd just fight him and prove it. I want to see this fight just as much as the next fan but im not the one in the ring and im not the one getting the money. All i know is that, if one man can ask for an unheard of, never before in the history of the sport $10,000,000 per pound weight penalty then the other should be able to ask for a little random drug testing. Coward? Really, a professional boxer who's been boxing since 4yrs old...a coward? Interesting.lol Thank you. I dont think any fighter is a coward and if you step in that ring 41 times then you definetly arent. But do see how that is the only response they got. Its pathetic. I had a thought and i put it out there in an intelligent manner but none of them can counter it with a logical explanation because it makes too much sense for them.

15y ago

cmartez

Floyd is a COWARD for asking OSDT in the first place. Anyway where are you trying to go with this because I hope you know that Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny. Why do you think everybody is calling him a coward. Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny??? Really? How do you figure that? Because he asked for random drug testing up until the fight and Pac keep refusing? Please! Maybe.. its because Pac ko'd Ricky Hatton who was 1st ko'd by Floyd when he was still undefeated? Or maybe its because Pac did so much better with Marquez than Floyd? Or, because Pac and Roach refused to fight Mosely (even at 142lbs) who was the #1 welterweight in the world, the same one who Floyd dusted? Oh i know, i know its because Pac hits way harder than Shane Mosley. Maybe its Pac's superior boxing skills. Lets see.. Ring smarts? NO. Footwork? No. Head movement? No. Defense? Hell no? Speed? Not really they're even in speed. Ring generalship? Please! How can Pac beat Floyd? Constant pressure? Work rate? Nope. Out boxing him? Never! Floyd has proven over and over again, he WILL adjust to what ever his opponent does. And before any idiot mention it, Floyd had a torn rotator cuff in the 1st Castillio fight, and to silence the critics he took an immediate rematch. Floyd is the best boxer alive...period! The stats don't lie. Pac is good but he's no Floyd. You'll probably say ...well why wont Floyd just fight him and prove it. I want to see this fight just as much as the next fan but im not the one in the ring and im not the one getting the money. All i know is that, if one man can ask for an unheard of, never before in the history of the sport $10,000,000 per pound weight penalty then the other should be able to ask for a little random drug testing. Coward? Really, a professional boxer who's been boxing since 4yrs old...a coward? Interesting.lol

15y ago

comanick

So any day now, we should be expecting those top news outlet to recant their statement right? Then they will turn around and call Manny a coward and a liar right? Will you eat this thread when they don't? FACT: Pac vs Marg in Nov 13th. Floyd vs State of Nevada Nov 9th. Will I eat this thread? Why are you so upset? I just gave my opinion. If im wrong then Im wrong. I will admit that if thats the case but it seems that you have a problem because you just found out your hero is just as much of a liar as floyd? Can you admit that? Also if you want to dispute anything i said with a well thought out counter id loved to hear it but you dont thats why you posted that crap.

15y ago

BuckToothed

I dont really care what espn, yahoo, or Si said because at this point it is obvious they were working with false information from both sides. But this question is to us fans on this forum. So you can give me your opinion on that or stay out of the thread. So any day now, we should be expecting those top news outlet to recant their statement right? Then they will turn around and call Manny a coward and a liar right? Will you eat this thread when they don't? FACT: Pac vs Marg in Nov 13th. Floyd vs State of Nevada Nov 9th.

15y ago

Pullcounter7451

I will let you all be the judge but i would love to hear opinions from both pac and floyd fans about this. Do you think arum and team pac really tried to make the fight or were they just using floyds name? arum and pac really wanted the fight. blood testing for PEDs 7 days before a fight is useless because by that time, a boxer is barely training at all.

15y ago

JDezi4

The countdown was absolutely disrespectful. I always had a feeling Arum did it like that so Floyd wouldn't agree to it and the fire would be off Manny (who, despite wut u want to believe, ruined the first negotiations) and back to Floyd. Manny would look like the good guy, and Floyd would look like the coward. And as soon as I heard it I knew Floyd was going to let it run out. I had this idea he was gonna let it run out, than make a move... Woulda been pretty cool. But the fact he didn't do it allows u to point the finger at him though.

15y ago

solo20

15y ago

comanick

Floyd is a COWARD for asking OSDT in the first place. Anyway where are you trying to go with this because I hope you know that Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny. Why do you think everybody is calling him a coward. Where are you going with this? I have a theory and I am asking for posters opinion on said theory but all you do is throw adjectives like coward out there. If you have something to say about that then great but if not step off. Simple as that. Also why are you generalizing. Do you speak for all boxing fans now. since when was everybody calling floyd a coward because i know alot of people who think manny is the coward.

15y ago

ModernTalking

Even after finding out that pacs team was lying about testing? This is twice now that we find out using hindsight that arum and pac lied about both negotiations and floyds the only coward? Really? Floyd is a COWARD for asking OSDT in the first place. Anyway where are you trying to go with this because I hope you know that Floyd wants nothing to do with Manny. Why do you think everybody is calling him a coward.

15y ago

Russian_Crushin

15y ago

comanick

My opinion is....Floyd is a COWARD Even after finding out that pacs team was lying about testing? This is twice now that we find out using hindsight that arum and pac lied about both negotiations and floyds the only coward? Really?

15y ago