Discrediting Pacquiao (my thoughts and opinions)

Excuse after excuse after excuse. Explanation after explanation after explanation.... I've been lurking on these forums for a long time, and I see different types of "flomos". Let me start.... we all know that since Floyd is "MIA", they have a hobby of discrediting Pac, and vice versa. But reading many threads... and many posts, I have to say that flomos can't decide, or can't point out why Pac is dominating boxing. Let me start: 1) Pac is draining his opponents by asking for catchweights 2) He fights boxers coming off from a loss 3) He cherry picks his opponents 4) He fights shot opponents 5) He's on steroids/peds 6) Ariza's shakes / Pac has no knowledge what he puts in there 7) And finally... his fights are fixed (if i miss a couple, plz mention them) Like seriously, these excuses I kept seeing time and time again in these forums and it's always different every time! Pac cherry picks his opponents, next, his opponent is shot, next, he is on peds/steroids, next, his fights are fixed anyway so he wins no matter what. I mean C'MON! What am I suppose to believe?! Let's discuss a popular reason why Pac is dominating: steroids/peds: If it peds, why in the hell dont we see his brother, bobby pacquiao dominating too? I mean, they can be the smaller asian version of the klits!! That, and we would've seen more filipino boxers. But speaking about peds, I'm asking you guys (flomos) WHEN, did Pac started using peds/steroids?! Is it when Ariza joined team pacquiao? Or before?! Because before Ariza, Pac was dominating his opponents anyway!! Out of all the excuses, the most 'believable' are catchweights. Yes, team pacquiao asks for them, but isn't that kind of... recent? Since yknow, Pac is moving up weight divisions? I mean catchweights ARE a part of boxing. And Pac is (contrary to popular belief) actually a super/feather/light/weight. BUT... I heard recently from a floyd fan that "he's finally fighting guys his size, cuz before he fights smallers guy". That... is another damn excuse. And the excuse of him fighting boxers coming off a loss, or they are just shot.? Well then, who IS he suppose to fight instead of hatton, or cotto, or margarito? Is it Martinez? or maybe Pwill?! Look, you have to fight your way from the bottom to reach the top. He can't just magically challenge the best back when he was just a featherweight. My reason, is that there just isn't enough talented boxers out there. That and believe it or not, it's all about the money now. His promotor, Arum wants well known fighters that can draw in money. If Pac challenges say Bradley, or any of those young guys, it wouldnt be a good business decision. Maybe a couple years down the road, but as for the moment, those guys are still "green". Pac will surely, dominate them right now =\ So at the moment, who IS he suppose to fight? If he fights Pwill, and won, I'm pretty sure the excuse will be "oh becuz Pwill was weight drained". I mean... you see what I'm talking about?! As of now, team pacquiao thinks that pac is reaching his limit, so they're saying that 147 is the weight he should stay at from now on. So who IS an opponent that can: a) is a big name b) draws in money c) isn't shot/coming off from a loss that... we all know. =P That's another thing I want to point out. The "double standards" argument. When Floyd beat Mosley, flomos were praising him saying; "Well he beat Mosley so he's better than Pac. Even Roach told Mosley that he's too good for Pac." Well what if Pac has fought Mosley in May instead of Floyd? ...and won? Flomos: "Mosley was shot" See?... these damn double standards are pissing me off. I mean it does happen the other way around, "pactards" discrediting Floyd. But they have 'fewer' reasons why Floyd is "dominating" boxing. If I made a list of excuses against Pac, here's a list of excuses against floyd: 1) He picks safe and easy fights (cherry picks) 2) He uses xylocaine 3) He retires or takes a vacation when a boxer is threatening his "0" Most pactards KNOWS that Floyd is a skilled boxer. He is widely regarded as the most skillful boxer this generation. And I'm not gonna deny that. Floyd may say he has a perfect record, but to me, he has yet to truly put his skills to the test. But back to Pac, there's so many reasons and excuses made against him (compared to floyd's). He's a complete fighter now, and I say, he's the rightful P4P. Don't people... believe in natural talent anymore? You look at the old ATGs, and people say that they can kick everyone's ass in the present. Ppl put them in a higher pedestal than boxers of this generation. But when a boxer emerges and starts dominating SRR-style, people are baffled. Like they've seen a ghost, and they don't want to believe it. It's a natural human instinct that our brains wants an EXPLANATION why the impossible was made possible. That why excuses like peds, weight drains, and fixed fights were made. Because they don't want to believe that TALENT still exists in this world just like how SRR/Ali's era existed. One of the main reason, I think is because Pac is ASIAN. No one has heard of a P4P asian boxer in the past. That SOUNDS laughable a decade ago. So people make excuses and accusations. (yet as I pointed out, can't decide WHY pac is dominating) But as I said... there's always a first. And Pac is one of them. If people say it was because or Roach that Pac is where he is now, maybe they are partially right. Wont that mean that every fighter Roach has trained be top P4P too?! No. You know why? Because Pac has talent. He has heart. He has dedication. He has loyalty. He has a WHOLE country cheering for him. That is why I believe that Pac is where he is now. Please share your thoughts and opinions. Everyone is welcome =)

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Spot on for what? Read my post above and tell me which fighter you think can do what Pac did if that was just so easy and a product of careful match making. come on tell me. Pacquiao is considered an ATG. ATG like SRR, Henry Armstrong, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, etc. all moved up in weight. Case in point, Duran moved up from lightweight to beat Leonard at WW. These are they guys that Pac is compared to not Soto and Guzman. Next!

15y ago

fabie

All of these efforts to hate a guy? In our lives, the easiest has always been to document our: • the failures • the miseries • the disadvantages What about the positives? What can we do to make our lives better? Just because Pacquiao is this and that, that we discredit him inorder to make ourselves feel "better"? Please. Mayweather AND Pacquiao are great boxers. Both have succeeded in their own limelight due to their fate, hard work, talents, blood, guts and the support of many people. Both are in the top of the boxing world right now. Why not just appreciate them and see their goodness so that we can apply them in our lives? Why can't we see the POSITIVES on WHY they are successful instead of seeing WHY ONE THINKS that they "suck"? Best post I've read all day, but not everyone can be so wise. For every champion, there's his detractors. From Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali, Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Roy Jones, Mayweather and now, PACQUIAO. All of them are great boxers but they're not perfect. Instead the critics are the ones themselves who are short of accomplisments because of insecurities. Time to reclaim what good is good. Mayweather, jr and Pacquiao are the GREATS of this generation.

15y ago

Bushbaby

But this tread only speaks of 1 side of the picture,don't Pacfans always discredit Floyd??It isn't a 1 way street here!!NSB is mainly made up of Pacman & Floyd fans constantly discrediting each other!!No one can sit there & truthfully say different!!Pacfans are constantly attacking Floyd & Floyd fans are constantly attacking Pacman,it's ying & yang!! Why is this tread continuing,this above quote is the reason this tread is worthless!!1 cannot talk about Pacman being discredited but turn right around & discredit Floyd!!But that's what Pacman fans do & Floyd fans do the same,but people will continue to whine about 1 or the other getting bashed & their fans are gonna continue to bash 1 while praising the other!!A Manny fan shouldn't make a tread about Manny getting bashed,but then knowing full well that they constantly bash Floyd!!

15y ago

straightleft

Random.......... Random? You mean Floyd random blood testing or Floyd OST? There is no way you can call that random testing when you know you gonna be tested for two months! Random testing like the Olympic athletes where Floyd copied his OST they will never know when they gonna be tested. Real talk.

15y ago

IronDanHamza

cotto >>>shane...pac fought the better ww than floyd ever has! Not at the time they fought, Shane was better and a more live opponent. But that isn't the point, the point is if Pacqiauo had fought Shane, people would have no choice but to say Pacqiauo fought the #1 Lineal Champ at 147, period.

15y ago

JDezi4

If you look at it closely most of the people discrediting Pacs wins are mostly flomos or Floyd fanboys. We know Pac started his Pro Boxing career at the age of 16 beating full grown adult men and a boxing champ at the age of 19 is a big accomplishment already. Flomos are butt hurt that is why they made all kinds of way to discredit Pacs achievements. You may wonder why they did not do it to other fighters only to Pacquiao. It because Pac overshadowing Floyd in the process and taken him out of the picture. In short they just a bunch of jealous butt hurt girls fan club! BWAA made Pac FOTD and thats has only one meaning leaving Floyd many miles behind in votes by his fellow Americans! Random..........

15y ago

straightleft

The reality is Pac doesn't do each of these things on ALL of his opponents, he simply has done one or 2 on each of his opponents (excluding PED's and Ariza shakes, unproven). Don't take that the wrong way, it's just facts. Now I don't believe this one, but the possibility is there. Ur simply assuming Manny's brother, as well other Filipino's r just dying to cheat their way into stardom. Just becuz (hypothetically) Manny is cheating doesn't mean his brother and every other Filipino boxer will follow suit. Mosley cheated, u don't see black fighter after black fight getting caught using steroids. Same with Vargas. Just becuz he did it doesn't mean every Mexican is doing it now. Again, Pac dominating before Ariza came doesn't mean he's not on roids (though I don't think he is). What people forget wut steroids do. They don't give u ability, they simply make ur ability better. By Pac dominating the featherweight division, it clearly showed he was a great fighter. What steroids would've done was merely make him better than great. Draining ur opponent is actually legit. It was probably the worst thing u could do to ur opponent without it being a illegal. Not that it's genuinely wrong, but the fact that ur fighting an opponent that has a disadvantage should take away from the fight a bit, yet it doesn't seem to for Pacquiao. And I'd say Pac's walking around weight even back when he was a featherweight is somewhere between Jr. Welter and Welter. So he really didn't have to fight Cotto at a catchweight. I don't see why he couldn't fight Martinez or Paul Williams for the same belt he's fighting Margarito for. Double Standards go both ways. Pactards r saying Mosley was shot too, but before that they were saying Floyd was going to get beat by Mosley, and before that they were saying Floyd was afraid to fight Mosley. Yet Roach openly ducked a Mosley/Pacquiao fight. Simply put, if ur gonna attack one side for it, u should attack the other. And of course Biased fans will do this. The reality is the extinction of Pactards and Flomos will be the only way to end that kind of talk. I agree with everything u say after this... Although I will point out that, even back in Ali's and Robinson's era people were skeptical about how good they really were. The difference is back then, Steroids and Xylocaine were non-existent. We know for sure that was raw talent. Today, those things do exist and do increase performance. So therefore the excuses r there. Do u think all those white people that hated Ali would've been giving him full credit for his accomplishments if steroids existed back than? If you look at it closely most of the people discrediting Pacs wins are mostly flomos or Floyd fanboys. We know Pac started his Pro Boxing career at the age of 16 beating full grown adult men and a boxing champ at the age of 19 is a big accomplishment already. Flomos are butt hurt that is why they made all kinds of way to discredit Pacs achievements. You may wonder why they did not do it to other fighters only to Pacquiao. It because Pac overshadowing Floyd in the process and taken him out of the picture. In short they just a bunch of jealous butt hurt girls fan club! BWAA made Pac FOTD and thats has only one meaning leaving Floyd many miles behind in votes by his fellow Americans!

15y ago

JDezi4

1) Pac is draining his opponents by asking for catchweights 2) He fights boxers coming off from a loss 3) He cherry picks his opponents 4) He fights shot opponents 5) He's on steroids/peds 6) Ariza's shakes / Pac has no knowledge what he puts in there 7) And finally... his fights are fixed The reality is Pac doesn't do each of these things on ALL of his opponents, he simply has done one or 2 on each of his opponents (excluding PED's and Ariza shakes, unproven). Don't take that the wrong way, it's just facts. steroids/peds: If it peds, why in the hell dont we see his brother, bobby pacquiao dominating too? I mean, they can be the smaller Asian version of the klits!! That, and we would've seen more Filipino boxers. Now I don't believe this one, but the possibility is there. Ur simply assuming Manny's brother, as well other Filipino's r just dying to cheat their way into stardom. Just becuz (hypothetically) Manny is cheating doesn't mean his brother and every other Filipino boxer will follow suit. Mosley cheated, u don't see black fighter after black fight getting caught using steroids. Same with Vargas. Just becuz he did it doesn't mean every Mexican is doing it now. But speaking about peds, I'm asking you guys WHEN, did Pac started using peds/steroids?! Is it when Ariza joined team pacquiao? Or before?! Because before Ariza, Pac was dominating his opponents anyway!! Again, Pac dominating before Ariza came doesn't mean he's not on roids (though I don't think he is). What people forget wut steroids do. They don't give u ability, they simply make ur ability better. By Pac dominating the featherweight division, it clearly showed he was a great fighter. What steroids would've done was merely make him better than great. Out of all the excuses, the most 'believable' are catchweights. Yes, team pacquiao asks for them, but isn't that kind of... recent? Since y'know, Pac is moving up weight divisions? I mean catchweights ARE a part of boxing. And Pac is (contrary to popular belief) actually a super/feather/light/weight. BUT... I heard recently from a floyd fan that "he's finally fighting guys his size, cuz before he fights smallers guy". That... is another damn excuse. Draining ur opponent is actually legit. It was probably the worst thing u could do to ur opponent without it being a illegal. Not that it's genuinely wrong, but the fact that ur fighting an opponent that has a disadvantage should take away from the fight a bit, yet it doesn't seem to for Pacquiao. And I'd say Pac's walking around weight even back when he was a featherweight is somewhere between Jr. Welter and Welter. So he really didn't have to fight Cotto at a catchweight. And the excuse of him fighting boxers coming off a loss, or they are just shot? Well then, who IS he suppose to fight instead of hatton, or cotto, or margarito? Is it Martinez? or maybe Pwill?! So at the moment, who IS he suppose to fight? If he fights Pwill, and won, I'm pretty sure the excuse will be "oh becuz Pwill was weight drained". I don't see why he couldn't fight Martinez or Paul Williams for the same belt he's fighting Margarito for. That's another thing I want to point out. The "double standards" argument. When Floyd beat Mosley, flomos were praising him saying; "Well he beat Mosley so he's better than Pac. Even Roach told Mosley that he's too good for Pac." Well what if Pac has fought Mosley in May instead of Floyd? ...and won? Flomos: "Mosley was shot" See?... these damn double standards are pissing me off. Double Standards go both ways. Pactards r saying Mosley was shot too, but before that they were saying Floyd was going to get beat by Mosley, and before that they were saying Floyd was afraid to fight Mosley. Yet Roach openly ducked a Mosley/Pacquiao fight. Simply put, if ur gonna attack one side for it, u should attack the other. And of course Biased fans will do this. The reality is the extinction of Pactards and Flomos will be the only way to end that kind of talk. I agree with everything u say after this... Although I will point out that, even back in Ali's and Robinson's era people were skeptical about how good they really were. The difference is back then, Steroids and Xylocaine were non-existent. We know for sure that was raw talent. Today, those things do exist and do increase performance. So therefore the excuses r there. Do u think all those white people that hated Ali would've been giving him full credit for his accomplishments if steroids existed back than?

15y ago

straightleft

Spot on my dude I agree %100 with everything u said! WELL DONE! Spot on for what? Read my post above and tell me which fighter you think can do what Pac did if that was just so easy and a product of careful match making. come on tell me.

15y ago

Ryannn

you look at Manny pacquiao's career up to the Marquez II fight and then you look at post Marquez II when Manny became a superstar one can make an argument the Manny Pacquiao's accomplishments post Marquez II is seriously overrated and very well promoted saying that there is no denying that Manny was a great boxer pre Marquez II its pretty hard for pac to live up to what he did in the lighter weights. he had a record of 5-1-1 against jmm, marquez, and barrera. that's hard to top but pacquiao still did pretty amazing things after his rematch against marquez. upset against oscar after climbing two weight divisions, winning a record breaking 4th lineal title against hatton, coming back to welterweight to beat the number 1 or 2 guy in cotto. clottey is more of a "meh" win. 3 out of his last 4 fights were good-great wins, no matter how you spin it.

15y ago

straightleft

you look at Manny pacquiao's career up to the Marquez II fight and then you look at post Marquez II when Manny became a superstar one can make an argument the Manny Pacquiao's accomplishments post Marquez II is seriously overrated and very well promoted saying that there is no denying that Manny was a great boxer pre Marquez II I will believe what you said above if you can tell me which fighters between 126-135 in Pacquiao's era could beat the fighters Pacquiao fought above 135 (Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey) like Pac did in one sided fashion. Real talk otherwise you are just a cunt butt hurt flomo.

15y ago

tibbar

Pac is the top fighter in boxing right now Pactards run this site a lot of sensitive girls don't like that Marquez fans are crying little bitches Floyd fans are crying little bitches Cotto fans are crying little bitches it's all in good fun the more they whine, the more we laugh :laugh: nyahahahhaha! "ang pikon = olats" is the name of the game!

15y ago

tate_of_Mind

15y ago

tate_of_Mind

But this tread only speaks of 1 side of the picture,don't Pacfans always discredit Floyd??It isn't a 1 way street here!!NSB is mainly made up of Pacman & Floyd fans constantly discrediting each other!!No one can sit there & truthfully say different!!Pacfans are constantly attacking Floyd & Floyd fans are constantly attacking Pacman,it's ying & yang!! You speak the truth brah its pointless trying to get through to these fanboys believe me I've tried lol. Pac and Floyd are two peas of the same pod but fanboys can't admit that. A lot of people have jumped on Pac's bandwagon right now because he's hot but the second he's not they'll fall back lol.

15y ago

Phenom

15y ago

Mayabang

Pac is the top fighter in boxing right now Pactards run this site a lot of sensitive girls don't like that Marquez fans are crying little bitches Floyd fans are crying little bitches Cotto fans are crying little bitches it's all in good fun the more they whine, the more we laugh :laugh: well to be fair to Cotto fans, I think most of them are a fan of Manny. I may be wrong but I rarely see any Cotto fans here that discredits Manny.

15y ago

_THE_KING_

Flomo: Pacquiao is one dimensional, he only fights slow, plodding, old, shot fighters coming off of losses and all his fights are fixed. Logical Person: Then why is he being accused of taking PEDs? Why won't Floyd fight him? Flomo: Because what Pacquiao has done is impossible, it's never been seen before. He's too fast and he's too strong. He's like Superman's long lost, more accomplished older brother. He's impervious to bullets. Logical Person: :thinking: Good post.. straight to the point. and good thread TS..

15y ago

Phil_Ivey

Nor FLoyd Mayweather or Pac should be discredited when they fight, there is actually PLENTY more hate threads discrediting Mayweather than Pac.. day in a day out I see idiots like STRUGGG(who claims he isn't a pactard rofl..) and a dozen others make threads about Mayweather, same goes with Pac but most threads about him aren't so vile or obsessive so please include both of them in your posts.

15y ago

fabie

Best post I've read all day, but not everyone can be so wise. Thank you very much sir!

15y ago

Bushbaby

15y ago