Manny Pacquiao takes on all comers, really?

What's good peeps? I'm new to the scene, I enjoy seeing some of the opinions on the board so now I've decided to post myself. Let me start by saying first and foremost I'm a huge boxing fan as well as a Floyd Mayweather fan, yes u can actually be both;) Anyway, I think that Floyd deserves some crticism, but he takes WAY 2 much IMO, and I'm not talking about his legal issues, nobody who wasn't involved really knows what went down. I'm talking about what goes down strictly in the ring, particularly as far as oppostion. Manny Pacquiao is a tremendous fighter, probably the best offensive fighter in the sport 2day. However, his competition since his move up to welterweight leaves a lot to be desired. Manny has fought Oscar (busted up by freaking Steve Forbes previous fight), Ricky Hatton (badly koncked out by Floyd before fighting Manny), Miguel Cotto (took savage beating by Margarito before fighting Manny), Joshua Clottey (who just lost to Cotto before fighting Manny), and now he's fighting Margarito (who just took a massive ass whoopin from Shane). Hmmmmmm.....it seems there's a pattern here. How the hell can anybody say Pacquiao has faced top competition as of late? This is an absolute joke:nono: People bash Floyd's competition, but Manny's aint any better. Why does he continue to fight slow come forward battered fighters with limited boxing skills? Why the hell doesn't Manny just fight JMM again? I don't care what weight the fight is at, they have unfinished business, everybody knows Pacman vs. JMM 3 would be an extremely lucrative bout. If Manny can spark JMM out so quickly at the higher weights he should just prove it. At least Floyd manned up and proved he could beat Castillo decisively. There are other legit fights out there for Manny such as Berto, the winner of Alexnder vs. Bradley, the winner of Martinez vs Williams, hell even Amir Khan (if he gets past Maidana). I'm sick and tired of Manny being praised for fighting fighters coming off SEVERE ass whoppins. Manny should stop hiding behind Roach and Arum and fight some legitimate competition, whether he fights Floyd or not. Now he's prolly gonna fight Mosley next or Cotto:rofl: Why do so many of u choose to ignore the facts and heap all this praise on Manny? This is a legitimate question that I want legitimate answers to........

Comments (20)

here is a clear and decisive thought process for you footwork.... could he have gone another way and made as much of an impact? could have fought other fighters besides maybe shane mosley and created a bigger name for himself? you stated he jumped from 135 to odlh....HOW BIG OF AN OPPORTUNITY do you need or would you go for someone more high risk/a lot less reward? please stop and think. the fights you've mentioned kept him moving FORWARD. more publicity and face time. i don't like the pac vs marg fight cause marg is a damn cheater and i would rather see him face jmm but berto - bradley are not in his league...he kills them and it's cherry picking. so no good options to me besides killing the triangle of cotto - marg - shane. p.will way too big for pac and same for s.martinez. so who would you set him up against to get him the most money and bigger star in boxing??? someone with massive controversy you can build up a fight....mexican....build the name mexicutioner again... cotto is not ready for a rematch....mosley just displayed he's not worthy pac isn't moving back down to 140. btw, almost everyone has taken an L even pac and has bounced back. a loss isn't everything like floyd has implanted into your minds!

15y ago

Ryannn

Why didn't Pac have his one fight at 135 against Juan Diaz? Juan posed a bigger challenge than David, this is the definition of a cherry pick. Why does does Floyd get called out for doing the same thing but Manny doesn't? The majority of u are simply a bunch of double standard hatin ass fan boys who are so called boxing fans. Some of u are pathetic haters. BOTH FLOYD AND MANNY DESERVE CRITICISM PERIOD! Floyd should have fought Cotto and he cherry picked a title from Gatti, I'm a Floyd fan at least I can admit his bs. Don't even get me started on Pac and his ridiculous catch weights. you obviously haven't been watching boxing at that time... david diaz was already set as an opponent for pacquiao even before he fought marquez... he could have stayed there, but faced a way bigger threat in de la hoya. david diaz was a tune up. he then faced oscar, hatton, cotto in that order.. pretty damn impressive no matter how you spin it. his last fight and his upcoming fight aren't the two best available, i agree with you that much. still, clottey presented a threat, margarito presents a threat. as IAMDAZED says, manny's resume is pretty hard to criticize. its phenomenal, but i do agree with jrosales that manny needs to pick it up in 2011. he has an opportunity to make it higher in the atg rankings. he's already in it, but it is possible he can do much more. hopefully floyd grows some balls at that time.

15y ago

tate_of_Mind

I think Pac fought a lot of top fighters, I think Pac accomplished a lot. And the stuff he is doing is just incredible just from how he keeps going up in weight and fighting all these bigger guys and making it a mismatch is crazy. However, if he did fight all comers he would of fought Raheem in 2006. he would of fought Guzman and Soto in 2007. He would of fought Shane Mosley He would of fought JMM III He would be fighting P-Will right now in Nov. Since he didn't it is clear he doesn't fight all comers. But, in this day and age it is hard to fight "all comers". Elite fighters now fight at the most 3 times a year, some just once a year. And, that is just ridiculous. However, in 2011 if Manny is not going to retire then he needs to pick up the level of competition again. Thank you, finally some common sense.

15y ago

tate_of_Mind

Pac didnt stick around @ 135 where there were some good match-ups. the DeLaHoya fight catapulted Manny above anyone with high risk/ low reward. Why didn't Pac have his one fight at 135 against Juan Diaz? Juan posed a bigger challenge than David, this is the definition of a cherry pick. Why does does Floyd get called out for doing the same thing but Manny doesn't? The majority of u are simply a bunch of double standard hatin ass fan boys who are so called boxing fans. Some of u are pathetic haters. BOTH FLOYD AND MANNY DESERVE CRITICISM PERIOD! Floyd should have fought Cotto and he cherry picked a title from Gatti, I'm a Floyd fan at least I can admit his bs. Don't even get me started on Pac and his ridiculous catch weights.

15y ago

Clint650

Why is it ok for Pacman to cherry pick a belt from FREAKING David Diaz:rofl:, but Floyd gets criticized for beating Baldomir who was the lineal welterweight champion, who just defeated Zab Judah, oh yeah Floyd defeated Judah to. Why didn't Pacman fight Juan Diaz at that time? Pac didnt stick around @ 135 where there were some good match-ups. the DeLaHoya fight catapulted Manny above anyone with high risk/ low reward.

15y ago

AFighter4U

There has been 3 negotiations? sorry. 2. my bad

15y ago

jrosales13

Also people tend to forget that Pac actually agreed to testing up to the day of the fight and floyd simply pretended that the negotiations didn't happen. Though i blame both pac and floyd for the failure of the last two negotiations, this third one was all floyd's. There has been 3 negotiations?

15y ago

AFighter4U

i think margarito is more of a threat than what most here believe cause obviously, there is the size advantage and the fact that he has more to prove. a hungry fighter is a dangerous fighter. that, plus the issue on how the added weight will affect manny. i know it has become a cliche, but he can only climb so much... contrary to popular belief, it isn't as easy as going up in weight class as manny makes it seem to be. maybe the weight would affect him this time. and of course, margarito isn't the biggest threat that manny could have faced, certainly there are more fighters deserving. im not pretending that manny is doing something ground breaking when he fights margarito. but to think that he doesn't pose a threat is just plain stupid. Also people tend to forget that Pac actually agreed to testing up to the day of the fight and floyd simply pretended that the negotiations didn't happen. Though i blame both pac and floyd for the failure of the last two negotiations, this third one was all floyd's.

15y ago

IMDAZED

i think margarito is more of a threat than what most here believe cause obviously, there is the size advantage and the fact that he has more to prove. a hungry fighter is a dangerous fighter. that, plus the issue on how the added weight will affect manny. i know it has become a cliche, but he can only climb so much... contrary to popular belief, it isn't as easy as going up in weight class as manny makes it seem to be. maybe the weight would affect him this time. and of course, margarito isn't the biggest threat that manny could have faced, certainly there are more fighters deserving. im not pretending that manny is doing something ground breaking when he fights margarito. but to think that he doesn't pose a threat is just plain stupid. Yeah, he could be a threat. But the whole "he's a threat because he's bigger" is a little played out now. That was debunked a few fights ago. I don't know what you mean by Margarito is a hungry fighter. You hope he is. He's getting a pretty nice check for this and the guy signing it expects him to lose. So I don't know. But I agree on your last paragraph. And that is the point, these aren't quite the bouts we should be expecting back to back. Look, if Manny wants to relax a little, fine. But this is what is wrong with boxing and people who support this maneuver. We willingly fork over $60 bucks in the name of "supporting the sport" when that's the very thing that's killing it.

15y ago

TintaBoricua

Manny Pacquiao is SCARED to fight Humberto Soto. Pac has ducked Soto for more than 3 years. Pac has also ducked Juan Diaz more than once. Pac has ducked Joan Guzman Pac has ducked Tim Bradley Pac has ducked Shane Mosley Pac has ducked Edwin Valero (when he was alive) Pac has ducked Michael Katsidis Pac has ducked a 3rd Marquez fight Pac has ducked Paul Williams Pac has ducked a Cotto rematch (cause Cotto wants OST for Pac) besided duicking fighters, Pac is a STEROID user. and on top of "juicing up", ducking/avoiding many other fighters, Pac has had FIXED FIGHTS. Pac-DelaHOya was FIXED Pac-Clottey was FIXED and now Pac-Margarito will be FIXED. Pac is afraid of a real challenge. Not that I'm taking your post seriously or anything :rofl:, but I'm curious as to why you left Cotto-Pacquiao out of the "fixed" list...

15y ago

IMDAZED

Gotcha,did top rank really post that quote in ur sig??I find that surprising,does Margarito have a belt?!That's the point I was trying to get across,debating with those adoring Pacfarts is useless,reasoning is not 1 of there strongpoints!! Well that's what makes the quote funny. The irony of it all. There were better fights out there.

15y ago

Ryannn

That's because you've yet to learn how to discern. Whether you take it seriously or not isn't the issue. As far as Margarito, yeah he could be a threat, just like Clottey could've been a threat. That's if you go against the grain. Margarito hasn't looked good in two years, has fought once in that span and is likely past his prime. If a threatening fighter was what team Pacquiao was looking for, they sure wouldn't have chosen him. i think margarito is more of a threat than what most here believe cause obviously, there is the size advantage and the fact that he has more to prove. a hungry fighter is a dangerous fighter. that, plus the issue on how the added weight will affect manny. i know it has become a cliche, but he can only climb so much... contrary to popular belief, it isn't as easy as going up in weight class as manny makes it seem to be. maybe the weight would affect him this time. and of course, margarito isn't the biggest threat that manny could have faced, certainly there are more fighters deserving. im not pretending that manny is doing something ground breaking when he fights margarito. but to think that he doesn't pose a threat is just plain stupid.

15y ago

Bushbaby

Yeah but that's not what we're discussing here. So why are you bringing it up? We are speaking about these string of statements which, quite frankly, aren't quite like whatever example you're using. Anyway, the bottom line is that overall, no one can knock Pacquiao's resume. It's phenomenal. But this choice of opponent was disappointing, as was his last one. And Roach's words before those fights underscore this. Gotcha,did top rank really post that quote in ur sig??I find that surprising,does Margarito have a belt?!That's the point I was trying to get across,debating with those adoring Pacfarts is useless,reasoning is not 1 of there strongpoints!!

15y ago

jrosales13

15y ago

IMDAZED

Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are. Yeah but that's not what we're discussing here. So why are you bringing it up? We are speaking about these string of statements which, quite frankly, aren't quite like whatever example you're using. Anyway, the bottom line is that overall, no one can knock Pacquiao's resume. It's phenomenal. But this choice of opponent was disappointing, as was his last one. And Roach's words before those fights underscore this.

15y ago

IMDAZED

here we go again, you getting pissed and shit :lol1: you see, i knew were gonna come *****ing when i comment on your post... :rofl: i personally don't take any thing freddie says as serious as people here do. he is manny's trainer, he is supposed to think his fighter will win. he states reason on why he thinks that, but im not gonna take it like its the fucking word of god. cotto was a threat, de la hoya was a threat, heck, dare i say margarito is a threat to a lesser extent. don't matter what freddie says, i don't base my opinions on things he says. oh, and :bottle: That's because you've yet to learn how to discern. Whether you take it seriously or not isn't the issue. As far as Margarito, yeah he could be a threat, just like Clottey could've been a threat. That's if you go against the grain. Margarito hasn't looked good in two years, has fought once in that span and is likely past his prime. If a threatening fighter was what team Pacquiao was looking for, they sure wouldn't have chosen him.

15y ago

Bushbaby

yeah, freddie says a lot of things.... so people shouldn't pick and choose some random roach quote to suit their agenda. I agree with U on that,Freddy just speaks to hear himself!!We've been through pages of posts battling,I know what u say makes enough sense to be applied!!I think Manny has done marvelous things at lighter weights!!But U know that I believe that Margarito as an opponent,while competitive no doubt is a slap in the face to the 154lb division!!

15y ago

Ryannn

Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are. yeah, freddie says a lot of things.... so people shouldn't pick and choose some random roach quote to suit their agenda.

15y ago

Bushbaby

I never understand posts like this. It's just a pretty lame way to counter. The issue isn't whether the person agrees with Freddie's statements, it's whether Freddie believes his statements. And obviously he believed Oscar was shot, Hatton not that good etc etc. Child please. Forget thinking your fighter will win, he was commenting on how the other fighters weren't really that good. He called Cotto damaged goods before Pacquiao fought him. He said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger anymore. Sh*t, he told Antonio Margarito that his fighter was going to KO him because he saw his "last two fights." Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are.

15y ago

Ryannn

Nahh. You only THINK the issue is what Freddie believes. The guy i was talking to wanted to prove all the opposition pac fought were not at the top of their game and quoted Freddie's statements to back up his claim. I merely pointed out that though Roach is a top class trainer he tends to contradict himself at times or says things that may be unfavorable to both Pac AND Floyd. In other words, as Ryann said, you should take whatever Roach says with a grain of salt. exactly.. look at cotto. freddie says he is damaged goods, but is he? last time i checked, he was whooping an undefeated champion in a new weight class. didn't show any signs of being a damaged fighter. these dudes are finding ways to **** on pac, its pathetic.

15y ago