After watching Assault In The ring, I now have lost all respect for Bob Arum.
In the film he says and I quote:
( What he did is inexcusable {Resto}. He should be banned from the sport forever. There shouldn't be any forgiveness.)
Collins was a future cash cow for Bob. The future was bright and Bob would have made alot of money off him.
Now fast forward 27 years later and Bob Arum is begging to get Margarito a boxing license after he clearly got caught cheating.
Is it because Margarito became a mexican hero and the new cash cow after beating Cotto? The Staple Center did sell out for the Margarito vs Mosley fight.
Bob didn't care about the crime Margarito did against who knows how many fighters. Never did he side with Cotto who was also his fighter. Is it because Cotto was damaged goods after losing?
The only thing Bob Arum cares about is money. Not the fighters who risk there lives in the ring so that Bob can make alot of cash.
The actions Bob took after Margarito got caught cheating further lets me know what kind of scumbag he really is. It's ok to cheat as long as Bob owns the fighter who is cheating. Now 27 years later it is not a crime. Margarito didn't know what was going on is what Bob's argument became.
It makes me wonder , that if Resto was bob's fighter and could generate alot of money, would Bob have sided with Resto? Hell yeah he would have.
I will not buy the Pac vs Marg fight. Not because it's not a good fight because it is. Only because Bob arum is involved.
I don't remember where I read that Nazim R. was warned by someone that Marg had used plaster in his previous fight, that is why Nazim was very vigilant and kept his eye on team Marg. If Nazim would not have caught Marg, he would have entered that ring and would have used those plaster wraps on SSM. Question to his supporters, what would have happened if Nazim did not catch Marg with plaster? Exactly!
I wouldnt be surprise if that was the case, Because he was adamant about Margarito taking his gloves off and re-wrapping it in front of him even though an organisation member had signed it off already at that point..
Boxing has two faces, the things they let us know and the things they keep in within the circle, And no one would know a thing with they're not in within THAT circle.
Agree 100% Arum is the greediest bastard in the game and He would wear plasters himself to reach his goal if necesary. The cheater had bone crushing power against Cintron and Cotto and that power disappeared after Nazim took his weapons.
That fact is undisputable and those Who ignore that fact are fooling themselves.
If it smells like a Duck, walks like a Duck, and in this case Sh!ts like a Duck, IS A FCKING DUCK. Not all of us are fools to believe the BS that He didn't know about it, it was not like they found them sticking to his back along with the sign "Kick me".
Any one who has wrap or helped wrap the hands of a boxer knows He's full of Sh!t.
You have to tell the trainer to losen up if necesary in each lager to avoid over tiding the wraps. If you don't believe me, visit your local gym and watch them do it.
After that, come back and tell me the boxer doesn't know..
California's Athletic Commision looked at him and said:: GTFOH pendejo, you think we are fools!!
Easy my friend. You have plaster in your gloves means your knuckles will be hitting plaster everytime it makes contact. Try hitting concrete a few times with your bear hands and see how your knuckles look afters. It's a no brainer. You're in denile if you think he only tried it once. Once a cheater always a cheater.
I've never said it was the first time he used plaster, what I'm saying is that there's no proof of him doing it, so we cannot make someone accountable for something we have no proof of. And just so we're clear I do not think that what he tried to do is right and if actual proof shows that he used plaster inserts in previous fights I would be the first one to want him suspended for life and jailed, but we cannot punish someone based on assumptions.
So what you're saying is that he used the same wraps for previous fights??? Damn I know us Mexicans like to save money, but I didn't know wraps were that expensive,, oh wait let me guess maybe those wraps were his lucky charms??? By the way how does a boxer in a pro fight get blood in the wraps that are covered by 8oz gloves and sealed with tape??? lol
Ok now seriously, I'm not that naive to say he didn't use plaster in previous fights, what I'm saying is that there is no proof of him doing it, so we should drop that argument right now.
Easy my friend. You have plaster in your gloves means your knuckles will be hitting plaster everytime it makes contact. Try hitting concrete a few times with your bear hands and see how your knuckles look afters. It's a no brainer. You're in denile if you think he only tried it once. Once a cheater always a cheater.
After watching Assault In The ring, I now have lost all respect for Bob Arum.
In the film he says and I quote:
( What he did is inexcusable {Resto}. He should be banned from the sport forever. There shouldn't be any forgiveness.)
Collins was a future cash cow for Bob. The future was bright and Bob would have made alot of money off him.
Now fast forward 27 years later and Bob Arum is begging to get Margarito a boxing license after he clearly got caught cheating.
Is it because Margarito became a mexican hero and the new cash cow after beating Cotto? The Staple Center did sell out for the Margarito vs Mosley fight.
Bob didn't care about the crime Margarito did against who knows how many fighters. Never did he side with Cotto who was also his fighter. Is it because Cotto was damaged goods after losing?
The only thing Bob Arum cares about is money. Not the fighters who risk there lives in the ring so that Bob can make alot of cash.
The actions Bob took after Margarito got caught cheating further lets me know what kind of scumbag he really is. It's ok to cheat as long as Bob owns the fighter who is cheating. Now 27 years later it is not a crime. Margarito didn't know what was going on is what Bob's argument became.
It makes me wonder , that if Resto was bob's fighter and could generate alot of money, would Bob have sided with Resto? Hell yeah he would have.
I will not buy the Pac vs Marg fight. Not because it's not a good fight because it is. Only because Bob arum is involved.
We all know this. In the past purportedly overheard stating "....let the blacks and latinos beat each other up inside the ring.....we will make all the money outside the ring..."
He is a good promoter......but scum as a human being. Most who got into the business when he did are because it was run by the mob.
I don't remember where I read that Nazim R. was warned by someone that Marg had used plaster in his previous fight, that is why Nazim was very vigilant and kept his eye on team Marg. If Nazim would not have caught Marg, he would have entered that ring and would have used those plaster wraps on SSM. Question to his supporters, what would have happened if Nazim did not catch Marg with plaster? Exactly!
Almost everybody in boxing is a hypocrite. From DLH, Haymon ... all the major promoters. Maybe you should extend your self-ban to those promoters as well. :D
After watching Assault In The ring, I now have lost all respect for Bob Arum.
In the film he says and I quote:
( What he did is inexcusable {Resto}. He should be banned from the sport forever. There shouldn't be any forgiveness.)
Collins was a future cash cow for Bob. The future was bright and Bob would have made alot of money off him.
Now fast forward 27 years later and Bob Arum is begging to get Margarito a boxing license after he clearly got caught cheating.
Is it because Margarito became a mexican hero and the new cash cow after beating Cotto? The Staple Center did sell out for the Margarito vs Mosley fight.
Bob didn't care about the crime Margarito did against who knows how many fighters. Never did he side with Cotto who was also his fighter. Is it because Cotto was damaged goods after losing?
The only thing Bob Arum cares about is money. Not the fighters who risk there lives in the ring so that Bob can make alot of cash.
The actions Bob took after Margarito got caught cheating further lets me know what kind of scumbag he really is. It's ok to cheat as long as Bob owns the fighter who is cheating. Now 27 years later it is not a crime. Margarito didn't know what was going on is what Bob's argument became.
It makes me wonder , that if Resto was bob's fighter and could generate alot of money, would Bob have sided with Resto? Hell yeah he would have.
I will not buy the Pac vs Marg fight. Not because it's not a good fight because it is. Only because Bob arum is involved.
Collins wasnt going to get Bob rich thats for sure. He was already rich and will be long after....
Margarito claims ignorance an the CSAC agree that evidence proves he didnt know.
Resto however knew that there was no padding in his glove.
Bob is bob but Margarito has done his time and he deserve to fight IMO, Resto actually did get in the ring and was caught on that same night.. Its difficult to make Margarito guilty even though he looks suspicious regarding his previous fights..
All we know was he got caught trying to cheat against Mosley and was punished for it by the organisation, Maybe his punishment should have been more than he received but he got punished.
Then got rewarded by Uncle Bob.
He got caught TRYING to cheat. Is still a horrible act but he didn't cheat, he tried to though. Which he should of been punished for it and was.
He didn't side with Cotto? There is ZERO, I repeat ZERO proof Marg did anything wrong in the Cotto fight. None whatsoever.
I say he got caught cheating the minute the block inserts fell out of his wraps. He was going to inflict some possibly life threatening damage on Molsey had he fought on.
Besides, where's the lawsuit Arum and Team Margarito were supposedly going to pursue against the commission for unjustifiable cause/insufficient evidence/evidence tampering and contamination?
After watching Assault In The ring, I now have lost all respect for Bob Arum.
In the film he says and I quote:
( What he did is inexcusable {Resto}. He should be banned from the sport forever. There shouldn't be any forgiveness.)
Collins was a future cash cow for Bob. The future was bright and Bob would have made alot of money off him.
Now fast forward 27 years later and Bob Arum is begging to get Margarito a boxing license after he clearly got caught cheating.
Is it because Margarito became a mexican hero and the new cash cow after beating Cotto? The Staple Center did sell out for the Margarito vs Mosley fight.
Bob didn't care about the crime Margarito did against who knows how many fighters. Never did he side with Cotto who was also his fighter. Is it because Cotto was damaged goods after losing?
The only thing Bob Arum cares about is money. Not the fighters who risk there lives in the ring so that Bob can make alot of cash.
The actions Bob took after Margarito got caught cheating further lets me know what kind of scumbag he really is. It's ok to cheat as long as Bob owns the fighter who is cheating. Now 27 years later it is not a crime. Margarito didn't know what was going on is what Bob's argument became.
It makes me wonder , that if Resto was bob's fighter and could generate alot of money, would Bob have sided with Resto? Hell yeah he would have.
I will not buy the Pac vs Marg fight. Not because it's not a good fight because it is. Only because Bob arum is involved.
I agree and disagree at the same time. Bob Arum is a hypocrite. However, Margarito only was caught trying to cheat, which by no means is okay. It's not, lets make that perfectly clear. I wonder how often has Margarito actually stepped into the ring, undetected, with tampered gloves or wraps...it's scary to think about, especially when you watch the Cotto fight. But as disgusting as it is, if you can't prove it and you accuse and punish somebody for doing it, it's really an act of injustice on your part. So I will refrain from judging a man without proof to accompany my claims (in terms of the Cotto fight). I wouldn't want to be judged in that way, it wouldn't make sense for me to point the finger at someone else.
But as a regular guy, I hear ya man, I watched that documentary last night and I was stunned at how much they did to win that fight, it didn't stop with the gloves, they f*cked with the wraps, they f*cked with the water, I mean, it's really disturbing to think about, and I can't believe the New York commission didn't catch on to any of that sh*t.
Oh lord, it all comes back to Floyd. Jesus :nonono:
One would have there have been proof that Floyd had done it in other fights? Or are we just going by "look at his face" "dry blood"(red dye).
Would there be reasons as to why it could possibly been done for the first time(Which really doesn't make the circumstances any better at all, he still should have never done it)?
Eh, if this is going to get into a Floyd vs Pac or justifying Pac or flomo pactard type of bullshit thread. And, get away from the thread topic then I am just out of here.
the reason i ask is cause IMO some poster are defending marg saying he's not a cheater to somehow justify him getting a fight with pac. honestly i dont give a fukk about floyd or pac right now
You forgot the part where your character can be used against you in determining the likelihood of whether you committed a crime or not. If I have prior burglaries and Im being accused of burglary the jury is going to take that into account.
yea but we all know how a jury can be easily manipulated,, what we need to look for here is actual proof....
Ok here we go, first I would like to say that I'm not trying to defend Bobby cuz in my opinion he's one of the things that is bad for boxing right now.
With that said, Resto got caught immediately after his fight with Collins, there was no doubt about what he did, Margarito got caught before his fight with Mosley, meaning he didn't actually cheat but he tried to cheat. A guy convicted for trying to murder someone isn't going to get the same punishment as someone who actually killed a person.
Did Margarito use plaster in his gloves for his previous fights?? Maybe, maybe not, the only ones who can answer that is Capetillo and Margarito, but the fact remains that there is no proof whatsoever about him cheating in previous fights. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty, unfortunately that's how it is.
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You forgot the part where your character can be used against you in determining the likelihood of whether you committed a crime or not. If I have prior burglaries and Im being accused of burglary the jury is going to take that into account.
lol at people taking up for marg. tell me this. say it was floyd who got caught with plaster inserts, would the same posters defending marg defend floyd.
Oh lord, it all comes back to Floyd. Jesus :nonono:
One would have there have been proof that Floyd had done it in other fights? Or are we just going by "look at his face" "dry blood"(red dye).
Would there be reasons as to why it could possibly been done for the first time(Which really doesn't make the circumstances any better at all, he still should have never done it)?
Eh, if this is going to get into a Floyd vs Pac or justifying Pac or flomo pactard type of bullshit thread. And, get away from the thread topic then I am just out of here.
if ur telling the truth then i can respect that. the reason i ask is cause IMO some poster are defending marg saying he's not a cheater to somehow justify him getting a fight with pac
I understand man, I got my own issues with that fight (Margarito vs Pacquiao) but the way I see it, the fight is already made so we might as well enjoy it, who kows maybe if Margo can beat Pac-man it would be easier for a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight to be made
It would be the same thing if it was Floyd, at least for me, I would say he tried to cheat but I wouldn't assume he cheated in every single one of his fights, unless there was actual proof of that. It would be the same for any fighter..
if ur telling the truth then i can respect that. the reason i ask is cause IMO some poster are defending marg saying he's not a cheater to somehow justify him getting a fight with pac
lol at people taking up for marg. tell me this. say it was floyd who got caught with plaster inserts, would the same posters defending marg defend floyd.
It would be the same thing if it was Floyd, at least for me, I would say he tried to cheat but I wouldn't assume he cheated in every single one of his fights, unless there was actual proof of that. It would be the same for any fighter..
lol at people taking up for marg. tell me this. say it was floyd who got caught with plaster inserts, would the same posters defending marg defend floyd.