Yup. He'd beat Ali, Frazier, Tyson, prime Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis (he was winning until they had to stop it due to the cut), Louis would get KO'ed, Marciano would lose too, along with Jack Johnson and Dempsey.
That's not saying he's BETTER than Ali, he just uses his size and reach so effectively, he actually has a lot of skill too!!
But you must consider the opposition!!!!!!!!!!
Beating greats(lol) like Chris Arreola and the over the hill Briggs might convince many of you but anybody can run up a string of impressive wins over the guys these guys are beating. Leon Spinks could have beaten these guys(Arreola and Briggs)!
I Agree.. They cherrypick their opponents
He deserves all of the respect in the world for doing what he did in his era but in all honesty whenever I watch old vids of him I am left unimpressed with anything other than his reflexes.
I just don't see what he has which makes so many give him and edge in a FF with either Klitschko, Lennox, Holyfield, or very young Tyson.
Are you being serious here? I'm not even going to explain to you how much more Ali offers than reflexes because A) You've obviously watched Ali's videos with a blinkered view if you can't see how good he was, and B) It's 4:30 am where I am, I need to go and get some sleep.
The argument for Vitali winning on the scorecards vs Lennox is just silly. Did you SEE his face after 6 rounds? There's no way he would've lasted 12 rounds and even if by some miracle he survived he would've lost in a lopsided points decision. That beating was from an old, out of prime Lennox. Imagine what him and several other prime HW's would do to the Klits
Ken Norton could be fighting now and he would look like the GOAT. The Klitschkos are fighting the worst opposition in HW history and would get beat down by a lot of the ATGs from the past
And a lot of people said Norton BEAT ALI!!! COme on now, Klitschko definitely beats Ali, Ali has problems with guys taller than him
lol what have boxing fans come to? You are dreaming...Prime Ali.. pre boxing ban... Completely schools and embarasses either Klitschko..
If Lewis's comparatively (To prime Ali) slow and flatfooted ass could tear Vitali up like he did.. Ali would dance and shuffle and find angles on Vitali all night.. While staying mobile and at range when he wants to..picking his shots. He also throws his KO punch that ends Vitali off the back foot like he did against Cleveland Williams
No way...he would be competitive with any of them, sure. Ali would ud vitali, it would be competitive but ali right hand and jab are too fast. He would run that **** up the middle all night, and it could even end up like the lewis fight, getting stopped on cuts.
Prime lewis would beat vitali 9 out of 10, bowe would beat him, and a prime holyfield in my opinion. You klitchko fans need to go back and watch video of these top guys in the 90's. They were complete fighters.
Vitali gets a pass around here while Wlad gets bashed....I hate that!!...Vitali didn't knock Shannon down or out....he beat the dog sh!t outta a shot fighter.....he injured a shot fighter....but he didnt knock him down or out....but he STILL gets a pass, because ppl are sayin' the corner was SUPPOSED to stop it.....why should the corner stop a fight when the dude with the highest KO pct in history is droppin' bombs....fukk the corner, Vitali was SUPPOSED to put Briggs to sleep....Peter was shot and Wlad put his ass to sleep but got bashed on here...GTFOH, then Vitali does his thing and gets honored like he the fukkin GOAT of the HW division....GTFOH!!!....Wlad would smoke big bro outta his boots....yea I said it!!.....Wlad Klitschko got NOW....it dont matter who had it before...props to Mike, Ali, Larry, Smokin Joe, Big George and those dudes....but right NOW its the K2 era and lil bro deserves more respect from the general public...just sayin!! :cool2:
Yup. He'd beat Ali, Frazier, Tyson, prime Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis (he was winning until they had to stop it due to the cut), Louis would get KO'ed, Marciano would lose too, along with Jack Johnson and Dempsey.
That's not saying he's BETTER than Ali, he just uses his size and reach so effectively, he actually has a lot of skill too!!
Hell no.
Prime Ali, Holyfield, Bowe all beat him. Prime Lennox takes Vitali's soul..
Vitali wouldn't last more than 6 rounds, against a prime Tyson. I would bet on a Vitali win, only against the overrated Lennox.
I agree with the first part....his chin is right there to be hit....Tyson's speed, pressure and style would murder both Klits. I still say Lennox beats Vitali in a close fight.....just feel he was out of shape in the fight they actually had and that he is also a bit smarter.
post like this is why the Klitchko's don't get the respect some people feel that deserve because it is always some dumba$$ after every fight that takes the HYPE too far
Yes, I agree with you.
However, the manner in which Ali beat Foreman was definitely great.
I had Ali beating Frazier in their second fight by a wide UD and the way in which Ali rallied back to put a beating on Frazier in the last few rounds in Manilla is worthy of the title "Great". Those were indeed great performances by Ali.
yeah but your leaving out all the punishment he took to get those wins
The performances were not as dominating as say "Vitali vs Briggs" but nevertheless he looked great.
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i gotta disagree.a great win doesnt always = a great performance
Muhammad Ali would mop the damn canvas with both Klitschko's in 1 night.
GTFO
Vitali looks great fighting jokers like Arreola, Sosnowski and Briggs.
Ali looked great fighting ATG's like Foreman, Frazier, Liston.
If you want to make comparisons you can't leave out the "level of opposition" fought.
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i don't think vitali can beat any of the legends u mentioned above.
vitali can't even beat his own meat without tearing his shoulder, bwhahahahaha!!!
Muhammad Ali would mop the damn canvas with both Klitschko's in 1 night.
GTFO
Vitali looks great fighting jokers like Arreola, Sosnowski and Briggs.
Ali looked great fighting ATG's like Foreman, Frazier, Liston.
If you want to make comparisons you can't leave out the "level of opposition" fought.
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ali didnt look great fighting frazier,or foreman
Your only as good as the opponents you've beat...and Vitali and Wladimir's opposition is certainly not up to par with the opposition of Ali, Frazier, or Foreman...
I think Vitali could outbox Foreman but I wonder how he reacts when he eats something on that chin...pre-draft Ali puts on a boxing clinic against Vitali...
Vitali's never seen the kind of pressure Frazier or Tyson can apply...
Agreed. Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha I used to hate u guys, but you guys are so funny it would be boring without you.
IMO, They may beat guys like Marciano that were just too small. The guys that easily beat them are: Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield, and maybe even Tie Fields. lol
I'm sticking to my guns.
A Prime, Hungry Tyson would destroy anyone in a boxing ring.
He was Wrath incarnate back in his prime.
Sadly his prime was short, but sweet.