Shane mosley is overrated??????

Neither Shane or Oscar are over-rated since no one talks about them as ATG's. They are two of the better fighters of the past 20 years though.

Shane is a hall of famer with a hall of fame career. people let fighters late fights swing their opinion too much. Shane was SCARY in his prime shane was roided up in his prime. Its not his later fight that people question shane's greatness....its that the combination of his connection with Balco, losses against winky, and vernon forrest in his prime. His biggest win since Oscar was margacheato without handwraps.

firstoff, the oscar de la hoya fight was NOT his first fight at welterweight. i believe it was his third...after testing the waters with the underwhelming willy wise and wilfredo rivera. its his lightweight resume that truly gets overrated. similar to the opposition that he tested the welterweight division against, his lightweight opponents were completely over-matched. he beat them with a combination of a great chin, speed and one of the best body attacks of his time. so, you have an olympic caliber boxer fighting average fighters with his father pressing him to stay on their body with that legendary left hook to the body he had. breaking his opposition down from the ground up was a game-plan so basic, they made it look genius. his opposition, mostly hispanic, btw, had no hope of keeping up with him, as him coming up in california had already taught him how to handle less skilled but tough fighters. he definitely won the second de la hoya fight? are you serious? he came on strong towards the second half of the fight, when most fighters are approaching fatigue. he was stumped in the corner for the first six rounds (which should have been in the bank for de la hoya) and was let off the hook a bit when oscar stopped controlling mosley with his jab and started to fight mosley's fight. now if you're saying that oscar de la hoya did NOT win a round or two between rounds 7 and 12 then maybe you need to stop listening to what your friends tell you about the fight and actually go watch it. i won't even bother to point out how the drugs he was taking were specifically designed to help his late rounds surge. i like Shane....but i find myself mostly agreeing with this post. ODLH beat him in that second fight. I don't think Shane is overrated.....i think he is rated exactly where he should be....a multiple division HOFer who would be a difficult assignment for any fighter from 135 to 147 because of his physical attributes.

"prime" vargas due to steroids? steroids don't work that way. vargas was done. both oscar fights were big victories, robbery or not. margarito was a taller, bigger version of the fighters he made a name off of at lightweight and still the timing and stage made it a big victory. i can't argue against mosley being placed higher than oscar de la hoya, as he did beat oscar on a big stage at a point in both of their careers before either started to show signs of decline (known around here as their "prime"). i do understand why people question mosley's legacy and reputation, though. there is not a modern fighter whose resume is "unquestionable." I meant Physically more or less I was just referring to the fact he was on steroids and was therefore physically stronger than he would have been otherwise. Hence the content in the "()"

Mosley clearly is a LW. That's his best weight, he brtually beat EVERYONE there. Man I even think he'd give Mayweather hell at MAYWEATHERS best weightclass which is LW. Yes, he lost to some GIANT light middleweights, he fought the best - won some, lost some. His resume is VERY good, he's no top 50 ATG or maybe you could squeeze him in. He won in the respective class' LW and WW. LWW is still bull**** to me... What makes you think LW was mays best weight? He looked best at 130 and 140, he wasnt as effective at 135.

firstoff, the oscar de la hoya fight was NOT his first fight at welterweight. i believe it was his third...after testing the waters with the underwhelming willy wise and wilfredo rivera. its his lightweight resume that truly gets overrated. similar to the opposition that he tested the welterweight division against, his lightweight opponents were completely over-matched. he beat them with a combination of a great chin, speed and one of the best body attacks of his time. so, you have an olympic caliber boxer fighting average fighters with his father pressing him to stay on their body with that legendary left hook to the body he had. breaking his opposition down from the ground up was a game-plan so basic, they made it look genius. his opposition, mostly hispanic, btw, had no hope of keeping up with him, as him coming up in california had already taught him how to handle less skilled but tough fighters. he definitely won the second de la hoya fight? are you serious? he came on strong towards the second half of the fight, when most fighters are approaching fatigue. he was stumped in the corner for the first six rounds (which should have been in the bank for de la hoya) and was let off the hook a bit when oscar stopped controlling mosley with his jab and started to fight mosley's fight. now if you're saying that oscar de la hoya did NOT win a round or two between rounds 7 and 12 then maybe you need to stop listening to what your friends tell you about the fight and actually go watch it. i won't even bother to point out how the drugs he was taking were specifically designed to help his late rounds surge. Best post in this thread by far, Describe Mosley to a tee.

Mosley and Oscar were some bad muthafukaz. In their primes! Whoever says any different is just a bias fanboy that don't know sh*t about boxing!

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Mosley had a pretty good resume. he fights the best opponents available and fight bigger guys. a future hall of famer. i dont believe he is overrated. had he won those big fights he would have been in top 15 ATG's. too bad though he lost almost every big fights he had in his career. same goes with Dela Hoya. they are both definitely a future HALL OF FAMERS.

Im sorry, i love Shane, but the same people who say Oscar was overrated are the same people who credit Shane for being a legend. People blame Oscar for "losing every big fight". Who did Shane beat? He lost all his big fights. He barely beat Oscar, was on the steroids in the rematch (which he still lost by the way), lost to forrest twice, lost to Winky twice, lost to Floyd, lost to Cotto......I just dont see the logic if people are gonna dog Oscar. Oscar was the pretty boy that had skills, so everyone hated him (ala Lebron). Shanes biggest win is aginst Margs. People mention, "well he beat Leija, Rivera, Cazallo and what not, but no one cares that Oscar beat Ruelas, Leija, Quartey, Vargas, Genaro Hernandez (though i never saw that fight :< ), Cammacho, ect. Lets be real, Oscar BEAT TITO. I think yall know where im going with this. I just see so many inconsistencies that its ridiculous. Then again, when your a pretty boy poster child, you have more doubters than people who will respect you for no reason other than they cant stand the fact that one is so popular and sucnessful, so they look for any tiny detail to attack. Floyd has that problem as did Kobe and now Lebron, and Pac. Me and a buddy were discussing so just thought i share my thoughts. Shane just happens to be popular but as a fighter he wasnt really all that.I was a big fan of Mosley when I was growing up but the guy isnt that good.Shane and Zab Judah are probably in the same class

You clock in at 31 years old, and it's a pity that for 30 of those years you were ignorant about boxing. And the remaining year was not redolescent of any brilliant boxing revelations from you. If you want to know something about mosley, he began boxing BEFORE he fought Oscar-whom he beat very well in a competitive first fight, and less easily although definitely in a second fight. Mosley has shown that he strugglea at 154, even against Vargas, whom he KO'd. What I suggest you do is look at his lightweight career, and it will open your eyes. Make sure they don't fall out, as Mosley was a different kind of fighter at 135. AND DONT FORGET...which you obviously have done, that Oscar, the once beaten genius of thee 147 pounders, was a killer himself. AND again, this was Mosleys 1st fight in welter at 12 pounds heavier than light. So, baby, crawl away and chew your little thumb whilst you contemplate a really great fighter. And the most dumbest, misinformed, ridiculous comment goes to you.

He has 2 big fight/wins on his belt. As oppose to Oscar, who apparently has none. Although I don't see why the Vargas fight was not considered a big fight. Especially since this was more or less a prime Vargas (replacing the youthful fighting spirit Tito beat out of him, with steroids). That being said, I can definitely see how Mosley is higher up in the legacy poll, considering he did beat him fair and square (once). But lets take into mind Oscar was by far a more superior boxer. Not only was Oscar far more fundamentally skilled, but he was also able to move up in weight and win fights handily, while Mosley above 147 was always terrible. "prime" vargas due to steroids? steroids don't work that way. vargas was done. both oscar fights were big victories, robbery or not. margarito was a taller, bigger version of the fighters he made a name off of at lightweight and still the timing and stage made it a big victory. i can't argue against mosley being placed higher than oscar de la hoya, as he did beat oscar on a big stage at a point in both of their careers before either started to show signs of decline (known around here as their "prime"). i do understand why people question mosley's legacy and reputation, though. there is not a modern fighter whose resume is "unquestionable."

Yeah, I think Shane is one of those guys you would refer to as a border line great fighter. But I think the fact that he hung tough with Cotto when Cotto was so highly regarded gives him some points. I thought Cotto lost that fight.

He has 2 big fight/wins on his belt. As oppose to Oscar, who apparently has none. Although I don't see why the Vargas fight was not considered a big fight. Especially since this was more or less a prime Vargas (replacing the youthful fighting spirit Tito beat out of him, with steroids). That being said, I can definitely see how Mosley is higher up in the legacy poll, considering he did beat him fair and square (once). But lets take into mind Oscar was by far a more superior boxer. Not only was Oscar far more fundamentally skilled, but he was also able to move up in weight and win fights handily, while Mosley above 147 was always terrible.

You clock in at 31 years old, and it's a pity that for 30 of those years you were ignorant about boxing. And the remaining year was not redolescent of any brilliant boxing revelations from you. If you want to know something about mosley, he began boxing BEFORE he fought Oscar-whom he beat very well in a competitive first fight, and less easily although definitely in a second fight. Mosley has shown that he strugglea at 154, even against Vargas, whom he KO'd. What I suggest you do is look at his lightweight career, and it will open your eyes. Make sure they don't fall out, as Mosley was a different kind of fighter at 135. AND DONT FORGET...which you obviously have done, that Oscar, the once beaten genius of thee 147 pounders, was a killer himself. AND again, this was Mosleys 1st fight in welter at 12 pounds heavier than light. So, baby, crawl away and chew your little thumb whilst you contemplate a really great fighter. firstoff, the oscar de la hoya fight was NOT his first fight at welterweight. i believe it was his third...after testing the waters with the underwhelming willy wise and wilfredo rivera. its his lightweight resume that truly gets overrated. similar to the opposition that he tested the welterweight division against, his lightweight opponents were completely over-matched. he beat them with a combination of a great chin, speed and one of the best body attacks of his time. so, you have an olympic caliber boxer fighting average fighters with his father pressing him to stay on their body with that legendary left hook to the body he had. breaking his opposition down from the ground up was a game-plan so basic, they made it look genius. his opposition, mostly hispanic, btw, had no hope of keeping up with him, as him coming up in california had already taught him how to handle less skilled but tough fighters. he definitely won the second de la hoya fight? are you serious? he came on strong towards the second half of the fight, when most fighters are approaching fatigue. he was stumped in the corner for the first six rounds (which should have been in the bank for de la hoya) and was let off the hook a bit when oscar stopped controlling mosley with his jab and started to fight mosley's fight. now if you're saying that oscar de la hoya did NOT win a round or two between rounds 7 and 12 then maybe you need to stop listening to what your friends tell you about the fight and actually go watch it. i won't even bother to point out how the drugs he was taking were specifically designed to help his late rounds surge.

Shane is old now,but to say he was overrated is just crazy!!Floyd,even Cotto beat an older version of the man!!His biggest win to me was the destruction of Margarito but Mosley in his prime beat Pacman,Floyd & whoever else is bossing 147 right now!!

Im sorry, i love Shane, but the same people who say Oscar was overrated are the same people who credit Shane for being a legend. People blame Oscar for "losing every big fight". Who did Shane beat? He lost all his big fights. He barely beat Oscar, was on the steroids in the rematch (which he still lost by the way), lost to forrest twice, lost to Winky twice, lost to Floyd, lost to Cotto......I just dont see the logic if people are gonna dog Oscar. Oscar was the pretty boy that had skills, so everyone hated him (ala Lebron). Shanes biggest win is aginst Margs. People mention, "well he beat Leija, Rivera, Cazallo and what not, but no one cares that Oscar beat Ruelas, Leija, Quartey, Vargas, Genaro Hernandez (though i never saw that fight :< ), Cammacho, ect. Lets be real, Oscar BEAT TITO. I think yall know where im going with this. I just see so many inconsistencies that its ridiculous. Then again, when your a pretty boy poster child, you have more doubters than people who will respect you for no reason other than they cant stand the fact that one is so popular and sucnessful, so they look for any tiny detail to attack. Floyd has that problem as did Kobe and now Lebron, and Pac. Me and a buddy were discussing so just thought i share my thoughts. you are definitely right!!! But that's what you gotta deal with when you're that good. I love shane too but i always thought he was overrated even though he did beat some good fighters. He could always be outboxed and he never had the main punch in boxing, the jab!!!!!

I think Mosley's apparently nice guy attitude/image makes him better than he actually is Imo, He was great in the lower weights against mediocre opponents..

Im sorry, i love Shane, but the same people who say Oscar was overrated are the same people who credit Shane for being a legend. People blame Oscar for "losing every big fight". Who did Shane beat? He lost all his big fights. He barely beat Oscar, was on the steroids in the rematch (which he still lost by the way), lost to forrest twice, lost to Winky twice, lost to Floyd, lost to Cotto......I just dont see the logic if people are gonna dog Oscar. Oscar was the pretty boy that had skills, so everyone hated him (ala Lebron). Shanes biggest win is aginst Margs. People mention, "well he beat Leija, Rivera, Cazallo and what not, but no one cares that Oscar beat Ruelas, Leija, Quartey, Vargas, Genaro Hernandez (though i never saw that fight :< ), Cammacho, ect. Lets be real, Oscar BEAT TITO. I think yall know where im going with this. I just see so many inconsistencies that its ridiculous. Then again, when your a pretty boy poster child, you have more doubters than people who will respect you for no reason other than they cant stand the fact that one is so popular and sucnessful, so they look for any tiny detail to attack. Floyd has that problem as did Kobe and now Lebron, and Pac. Me and a buddy were discussing so just thought i share my thoughts. You clock in at 31 years old, and it's a pity that for 30 of those years you were ignorant about boxing. And the remaining year was not redolescent of any brilliant boxing revelations from you. If you want to know something about mosley, he began boxing BEFORE he fought Oscar-whom he beat very well in a competitive first fight, and less easily although definitely in a second fight. Mosley has shown that he strugglea at 154, even against Vargas, whom he KO'd. What I suggest you do is look at his lightweight career, and it will open your eyes. Make sure they don't fall out, as Mosley was a different kind of fighter at 135. AND DONT FORGET...which you obviously have done, that Oscar, the once beaten genius of thee 147 pounders, was a killer himself. AND again, this was Mosleys 1st fight in welter at 12 pounds heavier than light. So, baby, crawl away and chew your little thumb whilst you contemplate a really great fighter.

Oscars career is defined by his public appeal IMO. I liked Oscar and watched all his fights. Making fights people want to see should mean more. of course history will remember the winners but I will always remember for Oscar being a FIGHTER....willing to fight those he should fight. Ill drink to that :usa2: