Some Stuff you may not know about Al Haymon

Most of you prob know Arum is not Al Haymon's biggest fan. When negotiations were conducted for Mayweather vs Pac, Arum and Haymon had proxies in Todd Duboef and Richard Schaefer do their talking because they pretty much can't be in the same room together. Arum doesn't like Haymon, because Al is the one who stymied TR's relationship with Mayweather. He convinced Floyd to buy out. Haymon is very friendly with Time Warner chairman of the board and CEO Dick Parsons. Why is this significant? Time Warner owns HBO! Haymon is also very close to Kery Davis (whom you might have heard Floyd thank occassionally) --------->she is the senior VP of programming @ HBO sports. So you can see why Al is a pretty powerful guy in boxing. The most interesting thing about Al though is that he operates without a license. This means he operates above regulatory controls (i.e. the federal guidlines) to which promoters and mangers follow. Now you are prob starting to understand why Al is such a recluse and so media shy. This is a guy who didn't accept or even acknowledge the BWAA when they voted him "manager of the year" in 2006----> probably because in order to be a manager you need a license. By accepting he would just be acknowledging he is a "manger" operating outside of the rules. Hence he isn't a manger or promoter.....simply a "friend" or "advisor" Haymon is the man who secures HBO dates + license fees (the money). In fact he gets excessive license fees. This makes sense given the close relationships that i mentioned above. The independents (especially Gary Shaw) basically serve at Al's pleasure with regard to the fighters they share. It's rumoured Al got a HUGE $3.2 million dollar license fee for Tarver vs Dawson II (the first one didn't exactly do big business). Dawson is promoted by Shaw. Hope this info helps out as i see alot of people asking what HAymon actually does and how he does it.

Comments (20)

Pocket_Dogs

apologies.....i honestly thought she was a woman. :dunno:Yeah, Kerry Davis is a guy. Here's a video of him talking to some British inteviewer:

15y ago

Heru

The independents (especially Gary Shaw) basically serve at Al's pleasure with regard to the fighters they share. It's rumoured Al got a HUGE $3.2 million dollar license fee for Tarver vs Dawson II (the first one didn't exactly do big business). Dawson is promoted by Shaw. Hope this info helps out as i see alot of people asking what HAymon actually does and how he does it. I already knew most of this (except the relationship with Caplan), but this piece became pretty obvious to me when Shaw was asked about the Ward-Dirrell location situation. GS pretty much admitted that he was completely out of the loop on the entire situation (because Haymon advises Dirrell). What's funny about that situation is that I read that there are 3 locations where Ward-Dirrell will more than likely be held and none of them are in California (Vegas, Detroit, Atlantic City). Ward could've had the fight in Oakland again, but Haymon must've somehow convinced Goossen that it wasn't going to happen. Haymon is a boss.

15y ago

rdr02000

We have same observations But I guess these are all hypothetical. I never said Pac has slipped as much as Marg. I am saying from a Pac fans point of view, he has slipped. I have seen many of his fights and just noticed the speed is less and his face is showing more damage. If you don't care what Clottey was doing then perhaps you don't box yourself which is Okay with me. Here's a boxing lesson 101. Punching someone who is there to be hit is a lot easier than missing. When you miss you get more tired. Since Clottey was in his gaurd, of course Pac will punch him. Pac has slowed down, do some research if you are nto sure. This is not fun and games, this is a debate. I agreed Marg has slipped mroe than Pac, but to act like Pac has not is ludicrous. Infact it is dumb to think that Pac at his age has not slipped physically.

15y ago

Kev

Just saying Pac is not as fast and his face doesn't hold up as he before. 150 is a weight more suited to Marg than Pac. Marg did look **** but it was a comeback fight. He probably didn't even train that great unlike now where he is putting a lot into it. Mosely at that fight had his number. You should never let Mosely tee off on you. Some say Marg found it hard to make 147. Before: 2008 vs Marquez http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1811/pacquiao64463535.jpg Morales 1 http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3826/17237454.jpg After http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3603/pacquiaovscotto02.jpg After Clottey fight http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2212/pacquiaovsclottey.jpg Yep, apparently, his face doesn't hold up as it did before. He looks more beaten up in his recent fights from these before/after pictures.

15y ago

boxer2k5

I had a convo one time with another media guy and we both made the conclusion that fighters that have Tony's relentless style usually have short shelf lives or really drop off the cliff in a hurry after losing badly perfect example was Pipino Cuevas. After running 147 for years once he got trounced by Hearns he was never the same this might be Tony ricky hatton juan diaz. only joe cal lasted longer because he had some slickness to his defense while keeping the volume up

15y ago

check_hook

You're too stupid to realize he damn near killed himself to make that weight against Mosley too. Or did you think he came back at 154 for fun? Or did you forget he's been at welter since he was 18? Brick, I know you're stupid. When will you realize this too? If the 150 catchweight was inconsequential why would team Pac ask for it?? Ofcourse it will effect Tony. Brick is just as dense as his name suggests.

15y ago

check_hook

and..... AND!!!!! Kery Davis? is a man not a she as TS put it. apologies.....i honestly thought she was a woman. :dunno:

15y ago

FloydTBE

hes knows his negotiating

15y ago

Chuckguy

trying for Saturday I have to see how the gym turned out and I have shoes for Tony not sure what time they train but it's usually mid afternoon not sure if they would let you in BUT they always get food at the restaurant two doors down. The place closes after lunch but they stay on to feed Tony and the team after I think I can get my way in. I would love to have a convo with Tony and shoot the ish with him. Plus RG is a mello guy. It would help if you were to get me in though ahhaha thanks for the info bro

15y ago

IMDAZED

you can only be a moron with that kind of logic. the guy got suspended and didn't fought for over a year...of course he gained weight with that inactivity. the garcia fight at 154 was just his way to get down to his previous fighting form. he has fought a few times at 154 before but he always came down to 147 with ease. he will have no problem at all at 150...stop the stupidity. Oh I see. When did you confirm this, Brick?

15y ago

brick_wall

You're too stupid to realize he damn near killed himself to make that weight against Mosley too. Or did you think he came back at 154 for fun? Or did you forget he's been at welter since he was 18? Brick, I know you're stupid. When will you realize this too? you can only be a moron with that kind of logic. the guy got suspended and didn't fought for over a year...of course he gained weight with that inactivity. the garcia fight at 154 was just his way to get down to his previous fighting form. he has fought a few times at 154 before but he always came down to 147 with ease. he will have no problem at all at 150...stop the stupidity.

15y ago

IMDAZED

lol you're stupidity is infinite. :lol1: just over a year ago he weighed 146 against mosley, now he has to kill himself to make 150? You're too stupid to realize he damn near killed himself to make that weight against Mosley too. Or did you think he came back at 154 for fun? Or did you forget he's been at welter since he was 18? Brick, I know you're stupid. When will you realize this too?

15y ago

IMDAZED

So tell me, just because Pac looked good VS Cotto etc.. does it mean he has not slipped? LMAO. Go eat your spinach. Your brain needs it.

15y ago

IMDAZED

So are you saying Floyd has not slipped? At 130 Floyd was a beast. At 154/147 I would say not a beast. Does it mean Floyd will lose at 147 VS any fighter? Maybe Pac, but no. At 150, the weight suits Marg more than Pac. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter. Why are you so slow? Floyd at 140 wasn't as fast as he was at 130. Did it matter? Sit back and think. And yeah, 150 suits the guy who doesn't even plan on weighing at that point more than it does the guy who will have to kill himself to get down. Don't be another d*ckrider, think rationally, bud.

15y ago

brick_wall

Margarito has been in countless wars. And yes, while Pac superhumanly is still in his prime, Margarito began slipping a few years back. Furthermore, 150 may suit Margarito more than Pac but Pac aint coming in at 150 and Margarito will have to kill himself to make it. That's just the facts. lol you're stupidity is infinite. :lol1: just over a year ago he weighed 146 against mosley, now he has to kill himself to make 150?

15y ago

IMDAZED

I suppose Hopkins didn't slip a few years back because he looked great VS Pavlik. IMDAZED, you are true to your name. I congratulate you for doing so well debating with me with your condition. You hurtin' right now. Go somewhere, buddy.

15y ago

IMDAZED

I never said Pac has slipped as much as Marg. I am saying from a Pac fans point of view, he has slipped. I have seen many of his fights and just noticed the speed is less and his face is showing more damage. If you don't care what Clottey was doing then perhaps you don't box yourself which is Okay with me. Here's a boxing lesson 101. Punching someone who is there to be hit is a lot easier than missing. When you miss you get more tired. Since Clottey was in his gaurd, of course Pac will punch him. Pac has slowed down, do some research if you are nto sure. This is not fun and games, this is a debate. I agreed Marg has slipped mroe than Pac, but to act like Pac has not is ludicrous. Infact it is dumb to think that Pac at his age has not slipped physically. Sure Pac has slipped. So did Roy Jones when he turned 21. He wasn't as fast as he was at 17. The point being...SO? You just brought it up like it mattered when we were discussing Margarito. It doesn't. And what was dumb was to bring it up. No go somewhere with your d*ckriding sh*t, homey.

15y ago

brick_wall

I think most who have been fair about it have been but looking at the facts I can totally understand why they feel this will be a lopsided beatdown Tony is a fighter who takes 2 to give 1 always has been. He had to go through wars to get to the point he was at on Jan 24th 2009. That, no matter how tough you are, takes a toll on you. Manny meanwhile has ascend the divisions and seemingly has gotten better in every aspect of the game and while yes Manny has been in some wars he has not seen one since March of 2008 while Tony was in one a year after Manny that's why people are skeptical and to me, while you won't find a bigger Margarito supporter on here, I understand the skepticism I will say I haven't seen him this hungry since the 2nd Cintron fight. At that moment he knew if he not only won but won convincingly he would get the Cotto so he trained like a man possessed yes moreso than the Cotto fight it's alright to be skeptical looking at his most recent performances but it's also very normal for fighters to have ups and downs in their career and sometimes you would think they can no longer get to competetive form. for me it's not fair to gauge his chances from his last fight alone. besides the guy got suspended for 1 year and suffered so much psychologically from the handwraps controversy that's why i don't see the garcia fight as something negative for him. and like you said, he's very motivated for this fight and that's what he needs to get his confidence back and perform better.

15y ago

IMDAZED

I never said his punch output changed. I said he is not in his physical prime anymore. Agree or not? I can't tell. He threw nearly 1300 punches in his last fight. I don't care what his opponent was doing, that's ridiculous. Second, Margarito got his sh*t pushed back by Mosley and looked mediocre against Garcia. The comparison to Pacquiao is so dumb that you have to be a complete d*ckrider to make it. No disrespect but I'm just gonna keep it real with you. No need for me to play along.

15y ago

IMDAZED

Pac has slowed down. He punchers a lot because the fighters he faces are slower also. Also because of his angles, he can hit more now instead of just that left after his jab. 2008 2010: It is hard to tell perhaps from the video's, but to me Pac is slower now. Dude, his punch output hasn't changed. End of story. Has he slowed down? Maybe. But his Cotto win ranks right up there with almost any other. It's ludicrous to compare his slowing down to Margarito's. Actually it's pretty dumb but let's keep going.

15y ago