Just rewatched the Cotto Vs Pac Fight...

Damn, I could've swore he did a lot worst. He clearly got beat down but he had way more success in there than Pac's last 4 opponents, two of which retired after their losses, and one who quit on his stool. Cotto actually won rounds 1 and 5, landed some hard shots that ruptured Pacs ear drum, and actually outboxed Pac in some spots, until the late rounds when he just had nothing left. Also, Cotto went to the body a lot in that fight, so people who have made a point that he stopped body attacking have got it all wrong. Neway, Cotto doesn't need a rematch with this guy, though at JMW and with Steward in the corner it may be a better fight. Just wanted to make the point, he got beat up but he did better than a lot of guys have and it just illustrates my point of Cotto not being a shot fighter, and being a level above most. Watching this fight made me think, & I don't see how anyone can see Cotto lose to some of these opponents who have been mentioned for him: Cintron, Vanes, JCC Jr., Angulo, etc. Cotto would box circles around those types - though the hard punchers like Angulo and Cintron would be tuffer fights. Still, his most challenging opponents are PWill, S Martinez, Margarito. True, he looked as sharp as I've ever seen him in that fight, he would have also won rounds 3 and 4 if it weren't for the knockdowns. However, I'm a fan, but not a blind one, I don't think he can beat Cintron or maybe even Angulo, his speed at 154 dropped drastically. I'd like him to fight berto and margarito (possibly not in that order) and call it a day. Of course he may get greedy and want a floyd match and a pac rematch, but those should come at the end of his career in order to avoid taking too much damage while he's still a viable option.

Yup, you know the Margo fight, I am now looking to see how good Pac looks, I think personally it is only downhill for pac, he is ageing now and isn't as active as he used to be. I wonder if he still has the huge stamina level to fight his style. I think everyone was surprised at his movement and his angle/combination punches as whole. You know when mayweather snr said Pac must be on something after the fight, it means he was shocked at how great pac was, he was shook up. According to Mosley, Mayweather snr was sitting next to him in the Pac-Cotto fight and he said Pac was definitely on something lol, He couldnt believe how Pac walked through Cotto's punches. I also think Pac is slowing down a bit but it might be due to him moving up in weight.

Yeah, Cotto was in great shape for that fight but he just didn't have the ability or mindset to play defense all night. Cotto is a fighter but it's like Roach said, "You can say Pacquiao looks fast but you don't really know just how fast he really is until you get into the ring with him" I don't think Cotto is washed up, he was just devastated after the Margs loss but I think surviving against Pac did a lot for his confidence and he showed it in the Foreman fight.

Cotto was a great fighter and if he didnt have a bit of success, Pac really would be superman, and he isnt. Cotto has had success against every fighter he ever fought. He had success against Margarito as well. He had much more success over margarito than he did Pac. Shows how phenomenal Manny is. Good point. Everyone refers to the severe beating he took against Margarito (with or without plaster we will probably never know) however Margarito took a bad beating himself and although Cotto was retreating and starting to absorb punishment i still had him winning that fight until the 11th round knockdown and then stoppage. There is no shame in getting beaten by Manny Pacquiao the way he did, i will even go out on a limb and suggest that he looked better early in that fight than he did pre-Margarito. He was simply beaten by the best fighter in the world at a weight that was ideal for pac and not so ideal for him in my opinion.

I don't think Cotto is shot he just did the same thing he has for 3 fights in a row. Against Mosley, he started boxing a bit more but that seemed like more of a tactical move and it worked wonders in round 10 and 11. The 12th by his own admission he stopped attacking because of the cut from the headbutt, it was the 12th round he felt he had the fight won no point is opening up the cut worse. However, in every other fight I've seen him use it has been because he doesn't know anything else to do, its like he's always had one gameplan and he can't adjust (I blame this on his corner.) I think Cotto's been simply missing guidance in his corner for a while, even before the Marg fight. During the Marg fight you could tell from the outset his corner had the wrong gameplan, in the first round Cotto comes back to his corner and they tell him to do the same thing. Well that first round Cotto was already sitting in the ropes, which is why he lost the fight. Steward already knew how the fight would play out just listening to his commentating, it was until round 6 or 7 when Cotto had no gas did they start telling him to stay out of the corner. Then for the Clottey fight Cotto tried to outpunch him, but he couldn't even hurt Clottey because of the defense he went right into sit in the ropes. He was never really hurt by Clottey except for the cut, but he did that because it just didn't seem that he knew anything else and his corner only made it worse. Same in the Manny fight, Cotto went in trying to slug it out. However, instead of putting combo's together like he did against Marg, Judah, Mosley essentially like he did in every fight he had a decent trainer. However, with Manny he was fine with one or two hits and then stopped. It was obvious that Cotto had severely gotten worse as a fighter technically. All his bad habits were even worse in the Manny fight, specifically how low he was when punching and his horrific balance. Essentially, I think Cotto simply needs a better trainer and I think the Foreman fight showed this. Just listening to the training difference is like night/day. Telling him to keep jabbing, that he is losing rounds, building confidence by telling him he looks far stronger. Its just the stuff that Cotto needed and was badly missing, I'd rather hear I'm losing and you tell me what I need to do to win, than hear "we can recover, we can do it." Which is all Cotto's trainer was telling him during the Manny fight, or that all Manny has is a left, just stupid stupid training. Even better though Steward has Cotto watching tapes himself and has Cotto study up on his opponent more. Cotto used to bring it sparring partners that did the opposite of what the opponent would do so he could train for anything. He also never used to watch tape, Steward is exactly what Cotto needed I think, essentially a focus that was always missing in Cotto's career, which is why I think he's received so many beatings, especially after the Mosley fight.

It was a good fight. Everybody saying that Cotto was shot, weight-drained or whatever are retarded.

He didn't look bad but he could have won with better patience and a better corner...He was just trying to blitz Pacquiao after round 1. Had he just try to box and pick body shots to slow Pacquiao down then he would had a better chance, but oh well. Pacquiao was the better man and proved it. Cotto tried what he could.

The first five or six rounds of that fight are just about the most entertaining rounds I've seen in a recent fight. I was watching that fight live at a bar with a really good sound system and there was some real electricity in the room when they were nailing each other and those shots just reverberated throughout the crowded bar. I watched it alone in disbelief....Screaming like a girl..lol

Pacqiauo dominated, i knew Pacqiauo would win like he did. The first couple rounds were competitive then as soon Pacqiauo was able to get into a rhytm with his speed and begin to back Cotto up i knew it was a wrap, Cotto can't fight backing up, doesnt clinch, and is too slow compared to Pacqiauo to beat him, for these reasons it was very one sided as i imagined. Only thing i was a little suprised about how was big Manny looked at 147, i thought he would look a little small but he looked great at that weight. As for Cotto, he wasn't the same fighter he was before Margarito, but either way the Pacqiauo that fought Cotto that night beats any version of Cotto.

Exactly, Everytime Cotto upped his level he find Pac 3 above that level.. He tried but the fight wasnt competitive at all, I knew Pac would win but the way he won was more impressive than i would ever imagine.. He looked Great in that fight. Yup, you know the Margo fight, I am now looking to see how good Pac looks, I think personally it is only downhill for pac, he is ageing now and isn't as active as he used to be. I wonder if he still has the huge stamina level to fight his style. I think everyone was surprised at his movement and his angle/combination punches as whole. You know when mayweather snr said Pac must be on something after the fight, it means he was shocked at how great pac was, he was shook up.

The first five or six rounds of that fight are just about the most entertaining rounds I've seen in a recent fight. I was watching that fight live at a bar with a really good sound system and there was some real electricity in the room when they were nailing each other and those shots just reverberated throughout the crowded bar.

it was entertaining. Cotto gave his best. He is still one of my favorite fighter, pac as well.

i'm not a flomo, but that argument is invalid. styles make fights. just because manny is more likely to KO quick doesn't mean he is better than a fighter who puts on a technical clinic. you can look through your rose-tinted glasses all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that a) mayweather fought an undefeated, super-confident hatton b) pacquiao fought damaged goods (hatton was so derranged after his loss that he hired mayweather's father). i still think pacquiao fought a great fight, as (you pointed out) no-one couldve probally k'od hatton so early at 140 that night. pce Styles makes fights, but because no body could knock hatton out in 2 rounds how can Pac be criticised for it, and believe me, so people have the nerve to.

True that's why after Cotto got hurt he started being wild and trying to hurt Pac back, little did he know Pac could hurt him real bad.

Cotto actually did decent first 2 rounds when he boxed, he's so use to being the aggressor and the one cutting off the ring - but it didn't work. Pac was simply too fast and after getting knocked down, his legs were gone and not to mention the shattered confidence level from it and also from Margarito. Pac deserves full credit for the win though, I can't see how Cotto would win even Pre-Margarito version - Pac's ability to withstand shots from a WW hard hitter is pretty spectacular. the reason cotto was decent in the first 2 rounds because pacquaio was testing the water against cotto power and give cotto a false sense of being successful. You saw after the first round round, that pacquaio took that stiff jab away from cotto and tricked cotto into getting into an early war.

Cotto actually did decent first 2 rounds when he boxed, he's so use to being the aggressor and the one cutting off the ring - but it didn't work. Pac was simply too fast and after getting knocked down, his legs were gone and not to mention the shattered confidence level from it and also from Margarito. Pac deserves full credit for the win though, I can't see how Cotto would win even Pre-Margarito version - Pac's ability to withstand shots from a WW hard hitter is pretty spectacular.

^^ No body could knock any version of Hatton out in 2 rounds i'm not a flomo, but that argument is invalid. styles make fights. just because manny is more likely to KO quick doesn't mean he is better than a fighter who puts on a technical clinic. you can look through your rose-tinted glasses all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that a) mayweather fought an undefeated, super-confident hatton b) pacquiao fought damaged goods (hatton was so derranged after his loss that he hired mayweather's father). i still think pacquiao fought a great fight, as (you pointed out) no-one couldve probally k'od hatton so early at 140 that night. pce

^^ True, no sane of mind person could criticise Pac for destroying people better than anyone ever did, or could do. If Pac gets discredited for doing what other people cant do, well Pac better hang his gloves up now. No body could knock any version of Hatton out in 2 rounds and nobody could beat Cotto like Pac did then or now. But Pac detractors ie flomos, have to get defensive, otherwise all the praise for Pac you would jusst have to give Pac the title of greatest fighter who ever lived already, and the critics cant allow that to happen. They have to put up obstacles and imaginery barriers to prevent Pac being recognised as the best ever, and if that means nit picking about catchweights and Pacs opponents werent great when Pac beat them, well so be it, is their way of thinking and how they see it. A win is a win. JMM put Pac thru hell but Mayweather did him dirty blah blah.. I gave Pac his due for beating Cotto, the Hatton and Hoya wins were overrated. Then he fights the giy that lost to the guy he just fought.. I know Pac would fight fan faves but TR isnt having it. Thus Clottey and Margs.. Face facts fellaz

Indeed, Cotto himself said he was at his best shape. Cotto looked good as he ever done, he put up a fight but eventually the damage he was taking started to take its toll. The fact of the matter is, to put it simply, everytime Cotto did something good, he landed one good shot. Everytime Pac did something good, he landed 2-3 shots. No shame in Cotto losing, I said it right after that fight, Mayweather would never fight Pac until he goes down a level or 2 because everyone and I mean everyone was surprised at how convincingly Pac won. A rematch would be pointless but at this stage of Cotto's career, he needs to think about the £££ Exactly, Everytime Cotto upped his level he find Pac 3 above that level.. He tried but the fight wasnt competitive at all, I knew Pac would win but the way he won was more impressive than i would ever imagine.. He looked Great in that fight.

Indeed, Cotto himself said he was at his best shape. Cotto looked good as he ever done, he put up a fight but eventually the damage he was taking started to take its toll. The fact of the matter is, to put it simply, everytime Cotto did something good, he landed one good shot. Everytime Pac did something good, he landed 2-3 shots. No shame in Cotto losing, I said it right after that fight, Mayweather would never fight Pac until he goes down a level or 2 because everyone and I mean everyone was surprised at how convincingly Pac won. A rematch would be pointless but at this stage of Cotto's career, he needs to think about the £££