Current active light flyweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
9..............123
Current active super flyweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
9..............120
Current active bantamweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
10.............241
Current active featherweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
21.............302
Current active lightweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
34.............386
Current active light welterweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
34.............245
Current active welterweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
28.............247
Current active light middleweights from:
P.R..........Mexico
22.............123
For a total of:***
167 active fighters from P.R
1787 active fighters from Mexico
***(This is just the divisions above. There are more active fighters from each side , making Mexico more exposed)
Should there really be a rivalry?
I mean , you tell me , is this not a perfect example of quality vs quantity.
What the hell are u talking about. Last time that i remenber margarito and his trainer got suspended for having illegal handwraps before fighting mosly, how do you call that
Hes a troll. He was being sarcastic. Even he doesnt believe that ****.
Margarito>Trinidad don't even go there homeboy.
And to answer your question no tony didn't cheat or attempt to cheat. All Margarito had was old wraps and lotion nothing moar nothing less, there was no so called plaster as you ricans like to call it.
What's your deal with tito el bambino and calling me a homo anyways? Lol
What the hell are u talking about. Last time that i remenber margarito and his trainer got suspended for having illegal handwraps before fighting mosly, how do you call that
Margarito embarrassed your whole country. Balls he had, yeah the balls to try and use plaster and probably used it against other fighters. That cheater got exposed for what he really is, a bum that SSM destroyed, and the reason he destroyed him was bc he did not have his magic wraps, because without them, Plaster Master is a c level fighter, and that might be an insult to c level clean fighters.
Margarito went to Puerto Rico and almost KO Light heavy weight Daniel Santos
but Puerto Ricans did what they do best Cheat, Margarito had everything against him, Puerto Rican referee, Judges,Doctors, Santos head butt the **** out of Margarito,Margs back him up most of the fight and was in his way to get a KO win but corrupted Rican didn't allowed and stop the fight for cuts :bottle::bottle: so did Margarito used plaster in Puerto Rico too?
The Fantasy Island:smileysex
I tell you who has a good case of quality vs quantity against Mexico.
Argentina, Panama, and the Philippines. They have a better case to use this argument than Prican do.
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i saw this a couple days ago and i tried to look away. its not fair. :nonono:
I'll end this by saying, both pr and mexico have their merits as boxing countries. there's no doubt about that. minimizing one to pump up the other is stupid because both countries boxing history is so intertwined with each other.
bottom line is, there should be no debate that mexico has the better fighters becuase they have more fighters. but because they have more shouldn't make any less. they still have the better fighters right now. and that's that.
I know ur a great poster , Ive sen ur post before and ur very neautral and real. But I dont know why u cant understand what im saying.
ur speaking of chavez . who doesnt fight any more.
Im talking about 3 active fighters included in the numbers I provided.
its not that hard bro. its really not that hard.
But, JMM and Montiel are better than any PRIcan fighter right now.
And, you need to understand that falls under quality.
Jro brought up a good point, how can Montiel face off against a Rican if that Rican keeps ducking him :rofl: But I'm sure if Montiel was a tomato can he would fight him.
I like that he thinks I am Mexican :nonono:
My heart will always say Tito>Not only over every Mexican but every fighter period.
However, my brain knows the truth.
Lets talk about this in 2 years, how about 5?? No, lets make it 10. ALWAYS....everyone would bet there last dollar on it. It makes sense.
I disagree but OK....
I think there are many social and economic factors that deal with the number of boxers. If you noticed in the early 20th century, there were many Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in the US, in one time 4 of the 8 champions were Jewish. But those groups developed economically and boxing was seen as a profession to avoid as they got better opportunities.
In Puerto Rico, Baseball and Basketball are probably more popular than Boxing now. In Mexico, Soccer is still as popular or more popular than Boxing. There is a larger discrepency between the rich and poor in Mexico. There is less of a middle class there compared to PR, so there will be many more people taking boxing as a way to try make a lucrative career for their families.
I expect with the popularity of Pacquiao and the economic situation in the phillippines, to expect more and more fighters CHOOSING boxing. Has nothing to do with superiority.
So this whole issue about superiority is silly at times, i mean P4P the Irish and Jews had great fighters, but they CHOOSE to not fight anymore, does that mean other nationalities are better fighters? Just look at guys like Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Jimmy Mclarnin, Gene Tunney, Levinksy, Dempsey etc. The jews and irish had great fighters, but nowadays many of them just don't see the need to fight.
:lol1: JMM beat every kneeler they put in from of him... Daniel Jimenez, Wilfredo Vargas, Miguel Rodriguez...
Montiel keeps getting ducked by those kneelers...
your statistics only mean that they are not that many puerto rican fighters to take a knee vs a mexican, that is all..
this is why no one takes you seriously. you've been here forever and you still behave like a kid when people debate. even if there's a current active fighter destroying mexicans right and left, you'd still get your feelings hurt and come up with some stupid ass joke like you do with pac, pinoy, dogs etc.
seriously, grow the **** up. even if its the internet.
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no its called more balls...we are given that warrior mentality, not only for pride but to entertain the mexican people... sad you guys just QUIT and embarrass your whole state of USA..
Margarito embarrassed your whole country. Balls he had, yeah the balls to try and use plaster and probably used it against other fighters. That cheater got exposed for what he really is, a bum that SSM destroyed, and the reason he destroyed him was bc he did not have his magic wraps, because without them, Plaster Master is a c level fighter, and that might be an insult to c level clean fighters.
Dude stop, really...numbers dont tell the whole truth. The more you have doesnt feed to the quality of them automatically....Mexico just happens to have better fighters. PR is a nice little country that has prodiced great fighter. Mexico is a great big country(compared to PR size) that has produced better champs.
What do those numbers tell YOU??
To be honest Juanma will blaze Montiel if they ever fought, he may be unified in his division, but he's not a better fighter, wait until Juanma has his title shots he's going to unify as well. JMM to me, is a great champ so I can't argue there, tho I think Cotto is too big for him and would win a fight. But Montiel, dude will get KO'd by Juanma that is not too hard to see, and I like Montiel.
Are you talking about P4P wise? Because, I would fully expect a FW to knock a Bantamweight(who started at flyweigt) Out. I mean that is common knowledge.
Just like I would expect JMM to beat Juanma at LW. Or I would expect Andrade to knock Cotto out if they fought at 168.
Or just like Cotto would beat JMM at 147.
I mean the size differential is a big gap.
However, P4P wise??????????
In respectable P4P list is there a PRican better than Montiel or JMM as of right now. Could that change? Yes. But, as of right now??????????
Wow so contradictory. First you told me to talk about right now. But, yet you talking about the past with a year ago and what might happen in the future.
As of right now MX has Montiel and JMM and that is better than any other PRican fighter.
And, if it was true that PRican had beeter quality fighters right now. Then it wouldn't matter how many fighters MX had. Because, none of them would be better than the best PRican fighter. However, that is not the case right now.
I know ur a great poster , Ive sen ur post before and ur very neautral and real. But I dont know why u cant understand what im saying.
ur speaking of chavez . who doesnt fight any more.
Im talking about 3 active fighters included in the numbers I provided.
its not that hard bro. its really not that hard.
To be honest Juanma will blaze Montiel if they ever fought, he may be unified in his division, but he's not a better fighter, wait until Juanma has his title shots he's going to unify as well. JMM to me, is a great champ so I can't argue there, tho I think Cotto is too big for him and would win a fight. But Montiel, dude will get KO'd by Juanma that is not too hard to see, and I like Montiel.
You're talking about a guy who's not that big for his division (Montiel) fighting someone who's two divisions higher than him LOL. Pathetic Rican hating because PR isn't P4P better than Mexico right now :lol1: