Nathan Cleverly will be the undisputed 175 champ in the future

black and boring in AND out of the ring. he has no marketability. and yes i agree, i am definitely not a fan of ward. in fact, i hate the way he fights, but i think he has the style, skills, physical talent and adaptability to beat anyone, anywhere. that holding, hitting, blunting his opponents attack and smothering is one of the safest ways of fighting. its actually a very cautious style that masks conservatism with fake aggression. that being said, he's also shown the ability to box and counter at distance. Thats a very good post imo and i tend to agree with you. You def are right about his physical talent. He does have all the tools to win anywhere in terms of speed, skills etc. i would just like to see how reacts(adapts) if not allowed to fight his kind of (safe) fight.. and that aint gonna happen unless he leaves Oakland.

Hes defo improcing with every fight he has

Ward isn't black,his father is white,so he could reach both comunities with good marketing. lol. it doesnt work like that.

black and boring in AND out of the ring. he has no marketability. and yes i agree, i am definitely not a fan of ward. in fact, i hate the way he fights, but i think he has the style, skills, physical talent and adaptability to beat anyone, anywhere. that holding, hitting, blunting his opponents attack and smothering is one of the safest ways of fighting. its actually a very cautious style that masks conservatism with fake aggression. that being said, he's also shown the ability to box and counter at distance. Ward isn't black,his father is white,so he could reach both comunities with good marketing.

i missed it, sorry. However i still disagree with you on certain points. If he could win outside of Oakland relying on other skills than usual(which includes excesive holding, headbutting etc.) then i dont see why he is so releuctant to have any fights not in his backyard... Not selling enough is imo a bad argument. Its the super six.. Showtime makes sure its hyped. Being a european i can tell you the fight(vs Dirrel) would be watched with great interest over here aswell.. I agree he is versatile and very skilled. Also, it seems, very smart from strategicly. I just think he would be in serious trouble the first time he fights outside of safe home.. Black and boring?? many people find Floyd boring(not me) and he is black.. he is arguably the biggest name in boxing. Ward is black, skilled and it can be argumented that he is a cheater.. That imo makes for great marketability. He should just quit all that holding sh*t.. black and boring in AND out of the ring. he has no marketability. and yes i agree, i am definitely not a fan of ward. in fact, i hate the way he fights, but i think he has the style, skills, physical talent and adaptability to beat anyone, anywhere. that holding, hitting, blunting his opponents attack and smothering is one of the safest ways of fighting. its actually a very cautious style that masks conservatism with fake aggression. that being said, he's also shown the ability to box and counter at distance.

you mustve missed my prior post. hes already one of the most versatile fighters in the sport. hes completely adaptable since he can fight at any distance and can either box or brawl. i missed it, sorry. However i still disagree with you on certain points. If he could win outside of Oakland relying on other skills than usual(which includes excesive holding, headbutting etc.) then i dont see why he is so releuctant to have any fights not in his backyard... Not selling enough is imo a bad argument. Its the super six.. Showtime makes sure its hyped. Being a european i can tell you the fight(vs Dirrel) would be watched with great interest over here aswell.. I agree he is versatile and very skilled. Also, it seems, very smart from strategicly. I just think he would be in serious trouble the first time he fights outside of safe home.. Black and boring?? many people find Floyd boring(not me) and he is black.. he is arguably the biggest name in boxing. Ward is black, skilled and it can be argumented that he is a cheater.. That imo makes for great marketability. He should just quit all that holding sh*t..

Only except his style is not allowed anywhere... you mustve missed my prior post. hes already one of the most versatile fighters in the sport. hes completely adaptable since he can fight at any distance and can either box or brawl.

ward has the physical ability and style to be the most unbeatable fighter in the game. his style is an eyesore but it's very hopkins-esque...and unlike hopkins, ward still has youth and energy on his side. his style would be hard to beat anywhere. Only except his style is not allowed anywhere...

I don believe Clev will have it as easy as Joe had it in his day, all the super middle weights will more than likely move up in a few years and I dont see Clev beating Bute, Dirrell, Ward, Dawson...I have to see more from him but he wasnt fighting anyone of mention so time will tell.

Not if a neutral referee prevented Andre from using illegal tactics like deliberately headbutting, and hitting while holding. Ward can't win against a top level opponent unless he cheats, and that why he won't fight outside Oakland. you act like that's all ward can do. he's already one of the most versatile fighters in the game who can make adjustments during the fight. if the ref takes that away he can can rely on other tactics. the reason why he doesnt wanna fight outside of oakland is cuz he cant sell sht outside of there. hes black and boring (both in and out of the ring) which means he's not marketable, so i dont blame him.

I'm impressed with him - Nathan keeps improving. I think he can beat Braemer and Shumenov right now. He'd outbox Cloud, but with Tavoris' power, he'd need to be more cautious than he was yesterday. Brähmer hits a lot harder than Murat and is stronger. Murat has serious power, but he aint a Knockouter, has a poor reach and is way too small for this division. he gassed early in that fight.(4th round, he said he was tired to his corner) he was dirty, hitting after the bell more than once, spidding his mouth piece more than once, claiming fake rabbit punches, coming too late after the bell outta his corner. very poor performances much respect to Clev. good fight

Does every fighter that puts together a good win get looked at as a future great? At least let the kid beat someone of substance. Easy to look great against C level fighters if you have talent. You're saying (undefeated) Murat was a C level fighter?

Sillakh is very good too. He and Cleverly along with Pascal and Cloud will comprise a very strong light heavyweight division. I think Andre Ward will not do well on the road, he needs his home ref and fouling to win. Andre Dirrell is very fast and will be difficult for anyone. ward has the physical ability and style to be the most unbeatable fighter in the game. his style is an eyesore but it's very hopkins-esque...and unlike hopkins, ward still has youth and energy on his side. his style would be hard to beat anywhere.

He is very very talented, but I do think he needs to go to a top trainer, he didn't look like he had a proper gameplan I been saying it for 1 year, he will be the undisputed champ very soon

It was such a ballsy showing by Cleverly yesterday. Everyone predicted he would box at range and be smart, but he bossed that dude from start to finish. A future star for sure, but 175 suddenly looks like a very competitive division.

ismayl sillakh beats cleverly now and whenever they meet. i also expect dirrell and ward to be competing at 175 in a couple yrs. u think cleverly beats either? i sure as hell dont.

that was a great fight yesterday, good call by the reff...