Mosley is a only a borderline great fighter to me.

Mosley is GREAT...against fighters that fight coming forward, for years I have told people that Mosley has LIMITED BOXING SKILLS and he is a HEAD HUNTER yes he is still a legend, yes a Hall Of Famer but he weakness has ALWAYS been against Boxers: the late Vernon Forrest TWICE, Winky Wright TWICE, Cotto (not a PURE BOXER but has some pretty good boxing skills), Mayweather and now Mora, you can stay outside and Jab the hell out of Mosley all night and he would run into those jabs ALL NIGHT trying to land a big punch Mosley was a terrific body-puncher. But yeah, he has had his problems with skilled technical boxers, and himself has been a bit of a wild slugger. People look at his speed and athleticism and go "oh, what a terrific boxer". He's always fought more like a slugger than a boxer.

yeah Cotto ran for his life those last few round against Mosley but I thought Cotto had the right strategy early in that fight which got him ahead enough to win and hold on and yes absolutely Vernon being 6'0 and Winky being 5'11, yeah that did make it extremely tough for Mosley and on top of that both guys had GREAT jabs I am not trying to discredit Mosley's or his career at all like I said he is a true legend IMO and a great guy but his weakness in his last two fights has always been his weakness, all they have to do is put Mosley in the ring with a guy that loves to fight coming forward and engage then we will see the classic Mosley, I don't think he is done, until I see people start to just overpower Mosley and just walk right through him....then I personally don't think he is done as a fighter, at this point in their career...guys like Mosley, JMM and Hopkins...they have every right to cherry pick and pick and choose who they want to fight I agree...

It was at welter and TKO or KO he stopped him. And def put him on his ass with a right hand (his weak punch). Pernell dropped him twice in one fight. Don't know what announcer said that but they were buggin. BTW, I'm not taking anything away from Shane. In fact, all this makes his win over Oscar that much impressive. Everybody thought he was going to get his head taken off. Oh ok I remember Merchant saying it twice thanks for correcting me..I also feel that was Mosley biggest win to date(Hoya win)

I must say this..TBH I don't think Cotto would have stood a chance with the younger Mosley..Forest not only was a good boxer but he was a big boxer..Same for Wright..May did his thing and Mora was on the run for the full 12 rds...Shane has always had trouble with boxers even when he was fighting in the LW div he had troubles with Leija cause of movement and his jab,Leija was a decent fighter with skill.. But Mosley was and still is a will fighter,a fighter who fights off shear determination..When he was younger he could do this better now he has fallen off..The Mora fight was nothing more then Mosley showing his age..A younger Mosley kills Mora dead.. yeah Cotto ran for his life those last few round against Mosley but I thought Cotto had the right strategy early in that fight which got him ahead enough to win and hold on and yes absolutely Vernon being 6'0 and Winky being 5'11, yeah that did make it extremely tough for Mosley and on top of that both guys had GREAT jabs I am not trying to discredit Mosley's or his career at all like I said he is a true legend IMO and a great guy but his weakness in his last two fights has always been his weakness, all they have to do is put Mosley in the ring with a guy that loves to fight coming forward and engage then we will see the classic Mosley, I don't think he is done, until I see people start to just overpower Mosley and just walk right through him....then I personally don't think he is done as a fighter, at this point in their career...guys like Mosley, JMM and Hopkins...they have every right to cherry pick and pick and choose who they want to fight

Hoya TKO Rivera not KO right??And was it at WW?I remember watching that fight and they said Rivera was never KO'd by a WW?? It was at welter and TKO or KO he stopped him. And def put him on his ass with a right hand (his weak punch). Pernell dropped him twice in one fight. Don't know what announcer said that but they were buggin. BTW, I'm not taking anything away from Shane. In fact, all this makes his win over Oscar that much impressive. Everybody thought he was going to get his head taken off.

Theres actually quite a bit of boxing fans who feel the same way and aren't wrong for doing so.

The only welter to do so? Oscar stopped Rivera in 8. And Whitaker put him on his ass twice in their rematch. both long before Shane did it. Hoya TKO Rivera not KO right??And was it at WW?I remember watching that fight and they said Rivera was never KO'd by a WW??

Shane has only lost to great fighters. He was a very good boxer and will be remembered mainly for his 2 fights with Oscar De La Hoya. However the fact that he could have taken steroids his whole career (As Floyd says we just don't know) is a big blemish on his record. However. I do think he is great. Not great as in "a special fighter" but definetly one of the best in his era. Right now he's second only to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Where's Sekondz Out when you need him? I'm on deck :lol1:.....my dude DK dropped a TRUTH bomb in here.....and my homie rome got things under control in here as well.....I can fall back and wait for the MAJOR hate...what TS is sayin is MINOR!!

Ive always seen Mosley as more of a great fighter than a great Boxer, infact i never understood the name Sugar, I know it fits aptly with Shane, but aside from that, he was never a cute or cultured type of Boxer, he was however gifted physically, in terms of strength, power, chin, speed. What i like about Shane, is that there is no side to the way he goes about his business, sure he could of strategically picked more suitable opponents, and would probably be seen as a better fighter, but thats what doing stuff like that is worth, it just gives people a false perception of how good you actually are/were, least with Mosley you cant claim he cultivated his reputation by favourable style fighting match ups, he did quite the opposite infact, I respect that, particularly in a sport where styles often dictate the outcome of fights, plus, if you keep stepping in the ring with the very best fighters, eventually you will come up short. Shane's career is a true reflection of how good he was, cant say the same for Mayweather, yet he is perceived to be better cause his resume is not as checkered? i think we know the reason for that, Mosley fought elite prime fighters, bigger guys in some instances, guys who would of given Mayweather himself, plenty of stylistic issues, unfortunately for Shane however, that is how fans roll, they would rather see an undefeated guy cause he is undefeated, albeit picking favourable match ups. http://i52.tinypic.com/wtdjmc.jpg

But he did get him out of there..The only WW every to do so too..You just can't beat Shane standing in front of him..I really want Mosley to retire he look flat sat and Mora had nothing to do with it... The only welter to do so? Oscar stopped Rivera in 8. And Whitaker put him on his ass twice in their rematch. both long before Shane did it.

theres nothing borderline about shane mosely. he has a great career. save a few bad losses to wright and forrest, what would be the blemish on his record? (well besides the steroids).

He didn't just beat Oscar once he beat him twice and Oscar was still at his prime back then now there are questions about some of Oscar de la Hoya wins but he still i's one of the best and mostly i's a great great fighter he was never ko he never gave up still at 39 doing his thing he really doesn't have alot left but he i's better than all these other guys that are 39 and still fighting the times he lost where when he moved up to take a fighjt with Vernon and winky Floyd i's a great great boxer no shame in losing to him so I think he i's a hof boxer IMO and dude you saying that it's just borderline i's ridiculous he always brought someone a fight

I agree, he should stay away from 154, 147 is his weight and i still think he could beat the likes of a Andre Berto. Totally agree brother..

Maybe but not at 154lb he looked really bad at the weight.. I agree, he should stay away from 154, 147 is his weight and i still think he could beat the likes of a Andre Berto.

Shane is a great fighter, no doubt about it, hes a future HOF, no doubt about it, but i can see your argument. I felt he lost in De La Hoya 2, didnt look impressive against Mayorga and alot of times didnt step up to the occasion, If he could make adjustments and adapt better he could have possibly had a chance at beating everyone hes lost too, he just doesnt have the skills and mainly ability to adjust. I still think Shane is a very good fighter today, i don't think hes shot. He looked terrible against Mora, but Shane always looks terrible with people with movement and counterpunchers, if he were to fight someone who comes straight at him i think he can still look impressive. he looked way worse against Winky Wright than he did against Mora, then again, Mora isnt Winky Wright, but my point is, Shane never looks good against that kind of fighter, i still think he has 2 impressive fights left. Maybe but not at 154lb he looked really bad at the weight..

Shane is a great fighter, no doubt about it, hes a future HOF, no doubt about it, but i can see your argument. I felt he lost in De La Hoya 2, didnt look impressive against Mayorga and alot of times didnt step up to the occasion, If he could make adjustments and adapt better he could have possibly had a chance at beating everyone hes lost too, he just doesnt have the skills and mainly ability to adjust. I still think Shane is a very good fighter today, i don't think hes shot. He looked terrible against Mora, but Shane always looks terrible with people with movement and counterpunchers, if he were to fight someone who comes straight at him i think he can still look impressive. he looked way worse against Winky Wright than he did against Mora, then again, Mora isnt Winky Wright, but my point is, Shane never looks good against that kind of fighter, i still think he has 2 impressive fights left.

Punching power? He hit Wilfredo Rivera with everything but the ref before putting him away. I take nothing away from Shane. At all. But the only reason why Oscar took that fight was because he didn't want to move up to 154 (there was no one left at 147) and he thought he could walk through Shane (psyche). But he did get him out of there..The only WW every to do so too..You just can't beat Shane standing in front of him..I really want Mosley to retire he look flat sat and Mora had nothing to do with it...

Mosley is GREAT...against fighters that fight coming forward, for years I have told people that Mosley has LIMITED BOXING SKILLS and he is a HEAD HUNTER yes he is still a legend, yes a Hall Of Famer but he weakness has ALWAYS been against Boxers: the late Vernon Forrest TWICE, Winky Wright TWICE, Cotto (not a PURE BOXER but has some pretty good boxing skills), Mayweather and now Mora, you can stay outside and Jab the hell out of Mosley all night and he would run into those jabs ALL NIGHT trying to land a big punch I must say this..TBH I don't think Cotto would have stood a chance with the younger Mosley..Forest not only was a good boxer but he was a big boxer..Same for Wright..May did his thing and Mora was on the run for the full 12 rds...Shane has always had trouble with boxers even when he was fighting in the LW div he had troubles with Leija cause of movement and his jab,Leija was a decent fighter with skill.. But Mosley was and still is a will fighter,a fighter who fights off shear determination..When he was younger he could do this better now he has fallen off..The Mora fight was nothing more then Mosley showing his age..A younger Mosley kills Mora dead..

Damn LOL...I would have to disagree with you here...I would have Hoya and Mosley around the same spot in the early 90's or late 80's of my top 100 list..But to each it's own... Nah too many great fighters throughout history for them to be considered top 100 in my book. But, you right to each it's own.