Why cant Titles be contestsed at catchweights?

The rules were there before your 90 yr old grandfather was born. Go to a Casino and try to make a catchweight for blackjack. Say .. less met at 19!! What part you don't undertand dude. Are you really comparing blackjack to boxing? And again what 90 year old rule states Championship bouts have to be held at the full weight limit? Other than the one you made up in your little head.

The rules were there before your 90 yr old grandfather was born. Go to a Casino and try to make a catchweight for blackjack. Say .. less met at 19!! What part you don't undertand dude.

Pretty much. If you feel ur too small to compete at a weight, then dont fight in it. Why? Again way to many vague comments in this thread that basically ammout to "thats the way things have and always should be". Seriously you guys sound like my 90 year old grandfather.

I feel that if a fighter cannot accept a challenger coming in at the full limit of the new division then he has no business being there. Pistol's arguments have merit, imo, but this trumps his. I just dont like catchweights, Whether fighters agree to it is really irrelevant IMO, Money makes the world go around and if enough money is thrown around fighters would eventually say yes. That when the organisation should come in and stick to their rules but we all know the organisation are even worse when it comes to money.

Pretty much. If you feel ur too small to compete at a weight, then dont fight in it. That is as simple as it gets.

I feel that if a fighter cannot accept a challenger coming in at the full limit of the new division then he has no business being there. Pistol's arguments have merit, imo, but this trumps his. Pretty much. If you feel ur too small to compete at a weight, then dont fight in it.

What more explanation do you need? I said we already have weight divisions and we dont need fighters making up any catchweights. I feel that if a fighter cannot accept a challenger coming in at the full limit of the new division then he has no business being there. Pistol's arguments have merit, imo, but this trumps his.

And again give me a reason why not? Because you say so is not a valid fuking reason!!! What is a valid reason? Not giving a individual coming up in weight a advantage and there are weight class limits for a reason. There are also penalties in place for exceeding the weight limit for every weight class per state commission. If the champion has to cut weight, then the challenger has a advantage. Irregardless if both individuals agree. That is why I said the boxing organizations should not sanction any catch-weight fight as a title fight. 145lbs. is not 147lbs. 151lbs is not 154lbs. If the fighters want to agree on those weights to fight each other, fine. Just not for a title. What was the point of fighting Cotto at 145lbs and then fighting Clottey at 147lbs? Obviously, someone wanted a advantage. Again, I do not blame the fighters, I blame the boxing organizations.

Simple, There are weight classes for every possible size, so if you are a player on this game, play the game with the rules it has and stop trying to bend the rules to TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR OPPONENT. The rules were therer before the Primadonas and following them makes a fighter a professional. Catchweight are for cheaters looking for angles and how to take away from their opponents. Fight fair, fight with the rules and don't try to make your own sport inside of Boxing.

Again could you explain why you disagree with it? Is there an actual valid reason behind it or is this just more about everything just being in it proper place kind of thing. Because that seems to be the explination that everyone seems to be giving me, that everything basically has to be in its place to preserve the sanctity of the sport which is total BS in my eyes. Seems to me everyone is complaining because everyone seems to just be a traditionalist. What more explanation do you need? I said we already have weight divisions and we dont need fighters making up any catchweights.

It doesn't say that which is why i don't have a problem with fighters rehydrating plus it makes the sport safer, but to say that Pac had an advantage because his opponent only outweighed him by 12 pounds instead of 15 is ridiculous. so if tony going to put on the extra weight come fight night why put a limt of 152 why not let him come in at 154 limt then.

key phraseology: MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

Same day weigh ins stopped over 20 years ago so what exactly are you talking about. I probably should have finished it, but I stopped paying attention half way through becuz I was watching something on Youtube. My point is it's a disadvantage to come in with ANY muscle loss. Gaining back the water the next day will not replace the muscle loss. And in case u didn't know, muscle isn't just lost in certain areas, it's lost all over (for example... the jaw and neck area, which lowers punch resistance)... The point basically is it put one person at a disadvantage having to go that unecessary extra mile and work unnecessarily harder to have to fight somebody who hardly has to burn any weight at all. And in some cases didn't have to burn any weight, but instead had to gain it. It's an insult to the sport becuz all catchweights r meant to do is weaken ur opponent. And getting to win a championship for fighting a weakened opponent is simply bull****

Pistol, I think the promoters pressure the fighters a bit, though. I could be wrong, but I think Cotto was receiving a lot of pressure from many fronts to take Pacquiao on at 145. Originally Cotto wanted the fight to be either at 147 for the strap or whatever for no strap. Pacquiao (arum) managed to get everything for Pacquiao. Hey thats between him and the promoter but from what i read losing that one extra pound really didn't affect him in anyway. remember in his previous bout Cotto weighed 146 so come on a pound in all reality is cutting one big meal in half.

No because they cancel eachother out. What? You said 2 lbs is meaningless though. So what difference does it make if hes 13lbs heavier or 15lbs heavier? (I dont know where ur getting these figures btw)

Nobody is making them smart guy they have to agree to it. You ask and I responded to your question but I clearly see your agenda reading your past posts

Nobody is making them smart guy they have to agree to it. Pistol, I think the promoters pressure the fighters a bit, though. I could be wrong, but I think Cotto was receiving a lot of pressure from many fronts to take Pacquiao on at 145. Originally Cotto wanted the fight to be either at 147 for the strap or whatever for no strap. Pacquiao (arum) managed to get everything for Pacquiao.

Limiting the opponent's advantage isnt an advantage to you? :bigeyes: No because they cancel eachother out.

Catch weight is to decide who is the best around the same weight class and is a compromise from both sides. Pac/Margo fight doesn't decide who is the best 154lb fighter and on top of that neither has done anything significant in the weight. Till this point all catchweight fights have only benefited Pac. As for Williams, shame on him for being self proclaimed that he is the most avoided man from 147-160 and now asks for a catchweight with somebody that he has already fought, obviously it is asked for his advantage. If you want to come anywhere under the limit that is fine but don't make the other guy be obligated to come under the limit Nobody is making them smart guy they have to agree to it.

15 pound weight advantage helloooooooo!!!!! It's not about gaining an advantage in pacs case, but limiting the advantage his opponent will have. Seriously you want everything so stringently traditional while failing to realize that Flyweights traditionally don't challange for wlterweight title and wleterweight title challanger traditionally isnt outweighed by 15 poundd on fight night. Limiting the opponent's advantage isnt an advantage to you? :bigeyes: