why do euro fighters dominate the sport of boxing???

I completely agree. It's nice to see someone recognizing the accomplishments of European fighters that are often ignored. Belorussian Manny Pacquiao has been on top of his game for a while, and has been hammering great American after great American... Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito will be next. The Swiss slickster Floyd Mayweather Jr. has also been dominating all the best fighters in the sport. Hamburg based Juan Manuel Marquez has been on top of his game ever since crushing Seattle native Joel Casamayor to win the lineal lightweight championship. Kiev, Ukraine's native son, Nonito Donaire has been busting up all the top Americans in his lower weight classes. Just everyone, observe and accept the truthful message that the TS is attempting to impart on all of you. Why are people rejecting the concept of this thread? I have indisputable proof that it is all true! ^^^

so where were you TS the past 2-3 decades when the only relevant foreigner was a ficticious character named Ivan Drago? GTFOH with that dominate sh it why cause the heavywieghts are two f ag brothers that refuse to fight each other cause "we make prromis to mazah" hahahhaha please if anything its nice to see that they are starting to become relevant

I always considered Bute Canadian, since he is a Canadian citizen and lives and fights out of Montreal. ...Adamek is also American because he lives and fights out of New Jersey, lol. nah, Im joking, but it is pretty funny to think like that.

I"m not sure though whether or not you genuinely believe that Mexico is not part of NA or if you're just going by what RING says. Whatever the case I should have made myself clear as to why I was replying to you seeing as how my post is in agreement with most of yours. When I say technically I mean in terms of geography. But it's right on the North/Central American border, it's part of Latin America, and it's culturally much closer to the rest of Latin America than it is to the US or Canada. For those reasons it's quite common to group it with South and Central America in general discussions about great fighters or whatever. I'm not disputing that it's part of North America, just saying I don't think I'm completely illogical in the way I grouped the fighters.

Klitschko brothers, Lucian Bute all make my top10 P4P list easily. Your or my lists are irrelevant. Of those three fighters you mention, only one makes any of the respected independent P4P lists, such as The Ring's. The Ring's top 10 includes 3 US boxers, 3 from South America or Mexico, 3 from Asia, and only 1 from Europe. Guys like Abraham/Kessler/Lebedev/Pirog probably belong in the top15-top20 discussion. No they don't. Then there is up-and-coming Euro talent such as Korobov, Golovkin, Boytsov, Khan, etc etc None of them are close to P4P lists at this point. Eastern Euros have always dominated amateur boxing That's not true either. Have you never heard of Cuba? And back in the day the US got its fair share of Olympic medals as well, although they don't any more. But in the professional game, to claim that there's anything approaching European domination except at Heavyweight is ridiculous. Sure, they're doing a lot better than in the past, but that's very different from claiming that they're dominating. They're not.

The only criticism of your post was that you didn't include Mexico with NA, it isn't "technically" part of NA it is part of NA. Had you not added that my post would have been... USA + Canada > Europe USA + Canada + Mexico >>>>>>>>>>> Europe USA + Canada + Mexico + Puerto Rico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe Puerto Rico is US territory so it counts....lmfao I"m not sure though whether or not you genuinely believe that Mexico is not part of NA or if you're just going by what RING says. Whatever the case I should have made myself clear as to why I was replying to you seeing as how my post is in agreement with most of yours.

No, I said that technically it is, but that it generally isn't regarded as being in general discussions, and is more usually grouped with South and Central America, for cultural and historical reasons; and that in discussions about great South American boxers, Central American and Mexican boxers are usually included. But since we both agree that NA > Europe in terms of boxers, what was your criticism of my post in which I simply said it was logically wrong to compare Europe with the US alone rather than with the whole of North America? I still don't see what criticism you could possibly have of that post. The only criticism of your post was that you didn't include Mexico with NA, it isn't "technically" part of NA it is part of NA. Had you not added that my post would have been... USA + Canada > Europe USA + Canada + Mexico >>>>>>>>>>> Europe USA + Canada + Mexico + Puerto Rico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe Puerto Rico is US territory so it counts....lmfao

I made a mistake. I apolagise. My main point was to highlight that Europeans are more dominant than Americans in boxing right now. If you check the major belts WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF then you'll see that 14 of them are held by Europeans and just 8 by Americans. That's almost a 2-1 edge. Apology accepted. The Ring rankings mean far more than the paper belts handed out by corrupt sanctioning bodies. According to The Ring rankings, there still are significantly more divisions in which a North American is the #1 (even if you don't include Mexico) than there are with a European at #1. So you can't say Europeans are more dominant in boxing, only that they hold more of the meaningless paper belts. The American boxers are usually the best and I think most Europeans will admit that but there's clearly a change in what's happening. Boxing is developing more and more in Europe. I wouldnt call it a "dominance" but the landscape of boxing in Europe is evolving rapidly. Okay that's fair.

North Americans are so scared of Eastern Europeans that they switch the sport. I dont see any American heavyweights ,Eastern Europeans are dominating heavyweight division for almost a decade. You're obsessed with one division. It may surprise you to learn that Heavyweight is only one of seventeen weight classes. Of those seventeen divisions, there are only three in which The Ring ranks a European boxer as the #1. There are five in which they rank a North American (not including Mexico) as the #1, five in which they rank a South or Central American or Mexican as the #1, three in which they rank an Asian as the #1, and one in which an African is ranked #1. So much for your European dominance.

You were saying that Mexico isn't part of NA(which it is) No, I said that technically it is, but that it generally isn't regarded as being in general discussions, and is more usually grouped with South and Central America, for cultural and historical reasons; and that in discussions about great South American boxers, Central American and Mexican boxers are usually included. Since this thread is about the imaginary dominance of European fighters I included the Mexico and Puerto Rico > bit to further clarify that NA > Europe. But since we both agree that NA > Europe in terms of boxers, what was your criticism of my post in which I simply said it was logically wrong to compare Europe with the US alone rather than with the whole of North America? I still don't see what criticism you could possibly have of that post.

People say that all the American talent is "playing football or basketball" But that ignores every division below heavyweight. Middleweights, Welterweights, SuperMids, LightHeavies are not big enough to be football/basketball players. So why are Americans losing so much in these divisions? Its because Europeans have started competing over the last 10 years, and they werent competing before because of Communism. As I've already posted (see here), according to The Ring's rankings, it pans out as follows: North America (USA & Canada, not including Mexico) has the #1 fighter in 5 weight classes. South and Central America plus Mexico: has the #1 fighter in 5 weight classes. Asia: has the #1 fighter in 3 weight classes. Europe: has the #1 fighter in 3 weight classes (only 2 if you don't count Heavyweight). Africa: has the #1 fighter in 1 weight class. So you're talking hot air.

Then what the hell point were you trying to make? What was your criticism of my original post for in which I simply said that if you were comparing Europe, a continent, with anything, it should be with a continent (i.e. North America) and not with a country (the US)? You don't seem to have bothered to read the post you were replying to, because in the context of the post you were replying to, your reply made no sense whatsoever except if you were trying to say the the population of North America is bigger than Europe's, which it isn't. You were saying that Mexico isn't part of NA(which it is) so I replied to your post to correct you. Since this thread is about the imaginary dominance of European fighters I included the Mexico and Puerto Rico > bit to further clarify that NA > Europe. How you managed to read anything about populations in my post is beyond me. The person who posted after myself didn't seem confused as you are.

North Americans are so scared of Eastern Europeans that they switch the sport. I dont see any American heavyweights ,Eastern Europeans are dominating heavyweight division for almost a decade.

You should learn to read. I simply quoted The Ring's rankings, as I made clear in my post. Do you know what The Ring is? Here are their rankings. Are you really as ignorant and illiterate as you pretend to be? I made a mistake. I apolagise. My main point was to highlight that Europeans are more dominant than Americans in boxing right now. If you check the major belts WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF then you'll see that 14 of them are held by Europeans and just 8 by Americans. That's almost a 2-1 edge. Number's dont lie. The American boxers are usually the best and I think most Europeans will admit that but there's clearly a change in what's happening. Boxing is developing more and more in Europe. I wouldnt call it a "dominance" but the landscape of boxing in Europe is evolving rapidly.

Why are you changing the subject? You weren't talking about population and neither was I. Then what point were you trying to make? What was your criticism of my original post for, in which I simply said that if you were comparing Europe, which is a continent, with anything, it should be with a continent (i.e. with North America) and not with a country (the US)? You don't seem to have read the post you were replying to, because in the context of the post you were replying to, your reply made no sense whatsoever to me except if you were trying to say the the population of North America is bigger than Europe's, which it isn't.

Eastern European boxers will be dominating the sport 5 years from now. Exactly just look middleweight division Pirog WBO champ Govolkin interim WBA and Korobov is almost there

If you're comparing continents you're comparing continents. End of story. But you're wrong in any case. Population of Europe: 825 million Population of North America = 307 million (US) + 33 million (Canada) = 340 million Europe's population is more than double the size of North Americas population. If you really want to split hairs and add Puerto Rico, and the many other tiny countries that are arguably in North America, such as the Caribbean countries, then feel free to waste your time getting the figures and adding them up. Even if you add them all in, Europe's population is still more than double North American's population. Why are you changing the subject? You weren't talking about population and neither was I. I was speaking solely about boxing I don't care about population sizes. USA + Canada + Mexico + Puerto Rico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe @Demise If your post was directed at me I assure you I only included Canada because it's part of NA.

Canada aren't better than anyone in boxing. :rofl: canada is one of the 5-6 best nations right now. bute, pascal, molitor, diaconu, lemieux etc. solid number of quality fighters. either way europe doesnt dominate boxing at all, north america, asia and central america all have far more top fighters.

NoNo that's not how it works Davy First of all USA + Canada > Europe If you're comparing continents you're comparing continents. End of story. But you're wrong in any case. Population of Europe: 825 million Population of North America = 307 million (US) + 33 million (Canada) = 340 million Europe's population is more than double the size of North Americas population. If you really want to split hairs and add Puerto Rico, and the many other tiny countries that are arguably in North America, such as the Caribbean countries, then feel free to waste your time getting the figures and adding them up. Even if you add them all in, Europe's population is still more than double North American's population.

Obviously if you're comparing continents (and Europe is a continent) then you should be comparing it with North America, not just the US - which is why I grouped the US and Canada in my list. (Technically Mexico is also part of North America, but I grouped Mexico with South and Central America because most people think of it that way - for cultural reasons and because it was a Spanish colony like they all were until it became independent.) NoNo that's not how it works Davy First of all USA + Canada > Europe And since we don't live in your magical fantasy land... USA + Canada + Mexico >>>>>>>>>>> Europe Since I'm bored... USA + Canada + Mexico + Puerto Rico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe Puerto Rico is US territory so it counts....lmfao