Is Margarito PACQUIAO's most challenging opponent to date?

dude , you're not even making sense anymore. how is cotto quitting proof of plaster now? wow you are truly an idiot...it was a reply to what you said: """"""yes because cotto never slows down at the end of fights when his opponents don't use plaster.""""""" in other words, what you're saying is "it's not like Cotto doesn't slow down anyway when his opponents don't use plaster." by stating this, you are making comparisons to Cotto's other fights...not just that, but you're acknowledging the potential use of plaster..well the main difference between those fights and vs margarita is that Cotto slowed down in those fights, but quit vs margarita...so yes, he probably would have slowed down, but not necessarily quit had it not been for the plaster..

1. almost everyone drains himself to make weight. pacquiao is coming in to 147 fights at 147-149. wanna take a guess what the average welterweight comes in at fight time? 2. did he not get hurt by an accumulation of punches? oh yeah i must have been watching the wrong fight. marg ktfo cotto with 1 punch because of plaster. go away now. you're boring me. no no no no, almost everyone doesn't drain themselves to make weight, that is why they move up, once you find yourself draining yourself to make weight it means it's time for you to move up... it was the power in his gloves that night combined with accumulation...without the plaster Cotto would have shrugged them off...

he slows down but doesn't stop, doesn't quit...big big difference:spank: dude , you're not even making sense anymore. how is cotto quitting proof of plaster now?

You idiot..you are no longer considered blown up if you feel comfortable at the weight, if you become more dominant at the weight...his own camp even admitted that he had to drain himself to make the lower weights...idiot! you're telling me that Cotto taking a knee had nothing to do with margarito's power, but rather the accumulation of punches? Get the F outta here!!!:soapbox: 1. almost everyone drains himself to make weight. pacquiao is coming in to 147 fights at 147-149. wanna take a guess what the average welterweight comes in at fight time? 2. did he not get hurt by an accumulation of punches? oh yeah i must have been watching the wrong fight. marg ktfo cotto with 1 punch because of plaster. go away now. you're boring me.

Theres no proof that margarito did use illegal wraps agianst cotto, people can speculate but theres no proof. Im a huge cotto fan and i was very annoyed when margarito got caught using illegal wraps, but face the facts, it hasnt been proven that margarito used them agaisnt cotto. Yeah and like I told Tua, no proof he did not cheat against cotto and that is a fact, yet there is reasonable doubt that he did..

yes because cotto never slows down at the end of fights when his opponents don't use plaster. he slows down but doesn't stop, doesn't quit...big big difference:spank:

because pacquiao has a frame of a featherweight. he is a blown up featherweight. when did marg ever have great power? he didn't even ko cotto. cotto quit. marg is a pressure fighter not a power puncher , nitwit. You idiot..you are no longer considered blown up if you feel comfortable at the weight, if you become more dominant at the weight...his own camp even admitted that he had to drain himself to make the lower weights...idiot! you're telling me that Cotto taking a knee had nothing to do with margarito's power, but rather the accumulation of punches? Get the F outta here!!!:soapbox:

it's funny how you avoided my question altogether... Without the plaster it could have played out another way: 1. Cotto's stamina would not run out. 2. Constantly getting hit with bricks means it takes more out of you, hence, less power in his shots. 3. He wouldn't really need to clinch. yes because cotto never slows down at the end of fights when his opponents don't use plaster.

Earner0919 says the same about Marg in camp. even if its true then wraps don't address that issue. A panama lewis lil blue bottle addresses that much better than illegal wraps. oh man...... now you reminded me of arguello-pryor. :(

the way cotto fought that night played into marg's hands. even if marg didn't have plaster it would have ended the same way. 1. constant moving hurt his stamina even more 2. constant moving backwards meant less power on his shots 3. he doesn't know how to clinch with his tactical mistakes that night , no plaster and it ends up the same if he changed up his gameplan , with plaster and cotto would probably still win it. it's funny how you avoided my question altogether... Without the plaster it could have played out another way: 1. Cotto's stamina would not run out. 2. Constantly getting hit with bricks means it takes more out of you, hence, less power in his shots. 3. He wouldn't really need to clinch.

i think it was. i read heading into the camp , marg looked dreadful. he looked like absolute **** from what i read. i think that's why they tried to cheat. i don't think marg "didn't know" like others claim. i think marg knew. i think capetillo thought he looked awful and he panicked and came up with an idea to cheat and marg went along with it. he's still a cheater. what he did is a disgrace. but i don't think he was doing it before. Earner0919 says the same about Marg in camp. even if its true then wraps don't address that issue. A panama lewis lil blue bottle addresses that much better than illegal wraps.

why are you calling puckiao a blown up featherweight when he seems perfectly comfortable at welter? puckiao is already under the radar in the eyes of many. second, cotto's face was much worse after the margarita fight, and he had to be rushed to the hospital. in the puckiao fight he stayed in the ring to give his thoughts on the fight...now explain the lack of power in margarita's punches in the mosley and garcia fight..:twak: because pacquiao has a frame of a featherweight. he is a blown up featherweight. when did marg ever have great power? he didn't even ko cotto. cotto quit. marg is a pressure fighter not a power puncher , nitwit.

Not saying the wins become losses. I'm saying you don't know which fights he cheated and which fights he didn't, except the Shane fight. You believe he cheated once and got caught. I don't believe that. Fact is i don't know what to believe, but I don't think this was his first time. i think it was. i read heading into the camp , marg looked dreadful. he looked like absolute **** from what i read. i think that's why they tried to cheat. i don't think marg "didn't know" like others claim. i think marg knew. i think capetillo thought he looked awful and he panicked and came up with an idea to cheat and marg went along with it. he's still a cheater. what he did is a disgrace. but i don't think he was doing it before.

cotto got beat to a pulp by a blown up featherweight , so hard to imagine marg a huge welterweight can't? give me a break. why are you calling puckiao a blown up featherweight when he seems perfectly comfortable at welter? puckiao is already under the radar in the eyes of many. second, cotto's face was much worse after the margarita fight, and he had to be rushed to the hospital. in the puckiao fight he stayed in the ring to give his thoughts on the fight...now explain the lack of power in margarita's punches in the mosley and garcia fight..:twak:

margarita not needing to prove he didn't cheat does NOT change the fact that there is no proof he did not cheat. If someone throws 10 punches at you without plaster, would that take the same kind of toll on you if he threw the same number of punches with plaster?? So maybe the plaster did really make a difference cuz it took something out of Cotto??:dunno: the way cotto fought that night played into marg's hands. even if marg didn't have plaster it would have ended the same way. 1. constant moving hurt his stamina even more 2. constant moving backwards meant less power on his shots 3. he doesn't know how to clinch with his tactical mistakes that night , no plaster and it ends up the same if he changed up his gameplan , with plaster and cotto would probably still win it.

it makes you wonder but those wins don't automatically become losses. i refuse to believe that he could have gotten away with it so many times. it's just impossible. more than likely his dumbass looked awful in camp (as reported before the mosley fight) and they decided to cheat and got caught. this is not like hgh or roids or something that you can get away with it for a long time. everytime you mess with handwraps there's a 50/50 chance you'll get caught. actually probably bigger odds than 50/50 you get caught. Not saying the wins become losses. I'm saying you don't know which fights he cheated and which fights he didn't, except the Shane fight. You believe he cheated once and got caught. I don't believe that. Fact is i don't know what to believe, but I don't think this was his first time.

Theres no proof that margarito did use illegal wraps agianst cotto, people can speculate but theres no proof. Im a huge cotto fan and i was very annoyed when margarito got caught using illegal wraps, but face the facts, it hasnt been proven that margarito used them agaisnt cotto.

yeah i'm a tough guy because i told you to deal with a loss. he doesn't need to prove he didn't cheat. he won the fight and there's no proof at all. none. it's not like plaster or no plaster would really make a difference. cotto lost because he couldn't hurt marg and he ran out of gas , as always. margarita not needing to prove he didn't cheat does NOT change the fact that there is no proof he did not cheat. If someone throws 10 punches at you without plaster, would that take the same kind of toll on you if he threw the same number of punches with plaster?? So maybe the plaster did really make a difference cuz it took something out of Cotto??:dunno:

I love how marg fans think that you have to be a Cotto fan to think he cheated against him. there's no proof he didn't cheat against him, so we have to go by what we saw: Cotto got beat to a pulp by a guy who in the very next fight gets caught trying to cheat. Without it, he doesn't have the same power...put 2 and 2 together... cotto got beat to a pulp by a blown up featherweight , so hard to imagine marg a huge welterweight can't? give me a break.

Tua its not as simple as can't prove a negative. By getting caught against a heavy underdog it makes you think what did he do when he was the underdog. I know where you are coming from but its hard for me to give Marg any credit for past wins. Look at it lke this, do you really believe this was the 1st time Capitello did this? it makes you wonder but those wins don't automatically become losses. i refuse to believe that he could have gotten away with it so many times. it's just impossible. more than likely his dumbass looked awful in camp (as reported before the mosley fight) and they decided to cheat and got caught. this is not like hgh or roids or something that you can get away with it for a long time. everytime you mess with handwraps there's a 50/50 chance you'll get caught. actually probably bigger odds than 50/50 you get caught.