There's no doubt in my mind Capetillo load Marg's wraps for Miguel Cotto fight!

look at the evidence: inserts in both hands Capetillo's statements: I unintentionally grabbed the wrong inserts from my bag. OK well the inserts we have all seen were obviously used so did he not notice that? LIE Capetillo's statements: I wrapped Tony's hands the same way for every fight. So you used these inserts for every fight or that was just a seriously stupid comment. Margarito Statement: I couldnt tell any difference? Really? I know some of the trainers have come out and said they could slip things by their guys they think but I have to think that even I who have worn wraps just a few times could tell if there was something like that especially when the impact is more solid and thudding. Margarito Statement: I've done nothing wrong, that only happened one time. Again, Margarito stated he could'nt tell the pads were there so how does he know how often Capetillo was loading the gloves? circumstantial evidence-broken orbital bone on sparring partner, who has spoken out very upset. Although he knocked his last opponent-Garcia- down he didn't leave a mark on him. Most of Margarito's opponents looked very swollen and bludgeoned in the past. Setting the pads aside for now this all started through Nazim asking for a rewrap on Margs hand due to improper tape, strengthening the strike area. Tape on the knuckle and skin that helps increase stability and punching power. The "commissioner" had signed off on that as well as the pads so seems pretty consistent that commissioners in general have let Capatillo wrap and tape this way with no regard for a while. Even when Nazzim asked the commissioner in the room to rewrap the response he received initially was no, they were Ok. It was only after a 2nd Commissioner was brought in did the situation escalate. So you add it all up, think Tony's trainer cheated with illegal wraps and pads only once or for many many fights?

The only person who is responsible for us debating this moot case is Evangelista Cotto. At that time he was Cottos trainer, and around that same he had the televised altercation with Jose Cotto, which showed that there was already bad blood in that family. He; as Cottos trainer should've been in that dressing room inspecting the same way Naz did for Mosely. In my Opinion, Evangelista screwed Cotto not Marg. for the people opining that he didn't cheat before check this out: It's like that saying women have of us men.."Once a cheater always a cheater" So to the people defending Marg, try using these lame ass theories on ya girlfriends to see if you can convince them you won't cheat on them again. different scenario but same issue. Once you are caught cheating, you're credability is completely shot. So one must assume. Give Capetillo a lie detector test

I think we forget that this was a fight at Margarito's physical peak and the one the set the compubox record with like 1700 punches. And to be clear it was a stress fracture to his knuckle. He admittedly stated it was hurt on a punch landed on Margarito. So bringing Clottry into this and defending him doesnt help anyones argument... Just saying. Physical peak my a$$. This was after Marg was ****ing up the likes of Kermit Cintron in 5 rounds or less. The guy is fighting with a deadly weapon in his hands.

Just watched the fight recently tough to watch if your a cotto fan

Cause Clottey didnt know his opponent had bricks so the only explanation he can think of that time was his own bones. :tool: I think we forget that this was a fight at Margarito's physical peak and the one the set the compubox record with like 1700 punches. And to be clear it was a stress fracture to his knuckle. He admittedly stated it was hurt on a punch landed on Margarito. So bringing Clottry into this and defending him doesnt help anyones argument... Just saying.

Nobody had ever beaten Cotto that badly, he was bleeding profusely, whereas in his fight with Manny, yeah, Pac fvked up his face but good, but they were mostly bruises, that were bleeding a little bit and stopped after they wiped up his face. The bleeding didn't stop that quick in his fight with Margo. Blood was pouring out of every hole in his face. Capitello has already admitted to using illegal wraps in the Mosley fight, so we know there was an attempt. So there's your proof...an attempt and getting caught in my eyes is enough to convince me he most likely did load his gloves. This is some of what i base my opinion on. and i remind you, it is my OPINION. I watched that fight again. Pay close attention to how Cotto reacts when congratulating Manny on the win. He WINKS at him and smiles. After the margachito fight Cotto looks like he is in a waking nightmare. Clearly there is more damage after the margachito fight than after the Pacquiao fight. It is my considered opinion that margachito cheated. Note that his regret seems attritional and not sincere. He laments being caught, not that he could have done irreparable damage to Mosley, never mind what he almost certainly did to Cotto.

Well Cotto looked the worst for the wear compared to what he did to Malignaggi. So the possibility Margo may have loaded up for Cotto and previous opponents is there. Maybe Capetillo, with Margo's blessings of course, loaded the wraps infrequently in past fights just in case. What may have happened is they rolled the dice one too many times not expecting anyone to get overly cautious and concerned until they ran into brother Naazim. Murphy's Law kicked in and they crapped out

Cotto bleeding from every hole in his head...mouth, nose, ears (WTF) and eye sockets (WTF)...come on...how many fighters can you nw which have had that type of damage done? He's a f@ckin cheater period point blank! I voted yes. It's my opinion that he had loaded gloves. I have a right to that opinion, and it's not up for debate. The post i quoted was compelling enough to garner immense suspicion, after watching the Mosley incident, where Naaz was the one who insisted the head commision guy take a 2nd look at the wraps, whereas, from what i have read and heard, nobody from Cotto's camp was present to witness the handwrapping. I admit i could be wrong, and maybe somebody was present, but they weren't watching as intently as Naaz was, if he did have illegal wraps. But this is a poll asking opinion, and this is mine, and I'm sticking to it. Nobody had ever beaten Cotto that badly, he was bleeding profusely, whereas in his fight with Manny, yeah, Pac fvked up his face but good, but they were mostly bruises, that were bleeding a little bit and stopped after they wiped up his face. The bleeding didn't stop that quick in his fight with Margo. Blood was pouring out of every hole in his face. Capitello has already admitted to using illegal wraps in the Mosley fight, so we know there was an attempt. So there's your proof...an attempt and getting caught in my eyes is enough to convince me he most likely did load his gloves. Hence the hearing and suspension of both Cap and Margo for a year. But in Margo's defense, let's say the wraps were fine, Margo was a nightmare for Cotto, being bigger, and the kind of fighter that gives Cotto problems, we all know Cotto has trouble with come-forward, volume throwing pressure fighters. Margo had the style to give Cotto problems to begin with. I do give him enough credit, it's possible he might have won w/o illegal wraps. Tony is was no pu$$y at that time. But there was something very suspicious about that fight, especially watching it after the Mosley controversy transpired. Watching how easily Mosley wooped the crap out of margo round after round, ko'ing him in the 9th, the 2nd kd, a guy Cotto had beaten...just barely, but he beat him. Some people dispute that fight also, but i bring to your attention, even if Mosley did actually win, he only just barely won, the fight was so very close, and any boxer that could keep up with Mosley like that surely would not have taken so much brutal punishment by a guy Mosley beat the chicken soup out of so easily. That was a walk in the park fight for Mosley. This is some of what i base my opinion on. and i remind you, it is my OPINION.

Boxers never break their hands in the ring never. Manuel Quezada had loaded gloves thats why Arreola hands are broken duh!!! Clottey blocks punches for a living. Margarito was the only time he was injured in a fight.

Cause Clottey didnt know his opponent had bricks so the only explanation he can think of that time was his own bones. :tool: Boxers never break their hands in the ring never. Manuel Quezada had loaded gloves thats why Arreola hands are broken duh!!!

oh yea and someone in this thread said that Margarito 'broke Clottey's arm' or something to that effect. Unbelievable. Clottey himself came out and said that his hand injury was nothing more than a stress fracture in his fist. Hilarious how people use that excuse for Clottey. Cause Clottey didnt know his opponent had bricks so the only explanation he can think of that time was his own bones. :tool:

There is no way to prove if Margarito used loaded gloves during his fight with Cotto. Now whether you believe he did or not that is solely your opinion, which everybody is entitled to have. As a boxing fan, the fights that you watch financially support the boxers involved. With that said, if you want to make a statement louder than any racial slur or derogatory insult don't watch anymore Margarito fights. It's as simple as that. If there is no public interest in a proven cheater Bob Arum will probably stop giving him these lucrative paydays. So instead of being a prick they should just be self rightious pricks?

Cotto bleeding from every hole in his head...mouth, nose, ears (WTF) and eye sockets (WTF)...come on...how many fighters can you nw which have had that type of damage done? He's a f@ckin cheater period point blank! Ugh was that the first time you ever watched a boxing match?

Care to explain what evidence there is that he cheated against Cotto? Cotto bleeding from every hole in his head...mouth, nose, ears (WTF) and eye sockets (WTF)...come on...how many fighters can you nw which have had that type of damage done? He's a f@ckin cheater period point blank!

yeah, now maragarito slaps with his punches like joe 'italian dragon ' calzaghe does. Coincidence my ass! nice avi.............

i expected that from you. to deter this assumed rebuttal i put in those "imaginary scenarios" that those probably DIDN'T happen. i tried to steer you away, with text, from stupidity, yet you still found your way into a post dripping in idiocy. you my friend are talented. As loathe as I am to admit it, Pistol has valid arguments (not compelling in my view, but valid nonetheless) for maintaining his position. He ain't stupid, he's just a little sympathetic to the guy and he has, to support his argument, our camp's lack of compelling evidence to make a proven case to the contrary. However, I think 'proof' is too high a standard to make an allegation. We have evidence to make an accusation, but not enough to make it worth anything in the commissions' or Boxings' views. Too much time has passed, the trail has decayed beyond anything but verbal testimony by anyone in his camp. I doubt they are going to admit to anything. However, as individual citizens, we have every right to exercise our judgment by avoiding his fights and/or by expressing our opinions. I think what bugs Pistol is that we ASSUME it's true. Unfortunately, Pistol likes to stay with facts; and the facts support his case. Facts are fine, but can be distorted just as easily as emotions. Consider the notion that statistics can be easily manipulated. I think the facts must be matched to patterns and motives also. Intuition can be useful too, but I am not a detective and I do not have all of the evidence and I have not interviewed all of the people involved. We may never know...but I think what we have is enough doubt to label every one of his fights suspect. FWIW, not that anyone will believe me, but when margachito and Cotto fought, I was disappointed that Cotto lost. I had no animosity for margachito until after the Mosley fight.

where is the option ****you butt hurt idiot? http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1645/miguelcottomargarito15.jpg:bottle::bottle:

i expected that from you. to deter this assumed rebuttal i put in those "imaginary scenarios" that those probably DIDN'T happen. i tried to steer you away, with text, from stupidity, yet you still found your way into a post dripping in idiocy. you my friend are talented. Fuk you being logical and only sticking to facts is what I do best and I'm not even saying that Tony didn't cheat. He did break rules and I have always stated that he deserves to be punished. But when Cotto fans make up these fantastical scenerios to justify why they think Tony used plaster in all his fights they sound just as stupid as the margarito fans who think he's completely innocent. Seriously man you seem like a smart guy so stop buying into Myths and fables. Let facts speak for themselves.

Great reasoning Adolph Hitler Jr. If that was true, then Mayweather should be stoned to death since public opinion of him is in the gutter. I don't know how they do things in whatever jerkwater country you're from, but in America you actually need to be tried in front of a jury of your peers within a fair trail before you can take someone's freedom and livelihood away. I wouldn't expect you to understand liberty or its basic tenets though. The difference is that Mayweather has done nothing wrong. margachito has been caught trying to cheat. We are not discussing legality here either, we are discussing whether the public (myself included) consider him guilty. I do consider him guilty. It is my opinion. This is a public forum for discussions of those opinions. It does not require that you agree or even respect them. As for his livelihood, retard, no one is denying him a way to make a living. Boxing is a privilege, not a right. That it requires a license implies it is at the discretion of some governing authority to grant him the legal ability to practice his art. Even rights can be revoked if one breaks certain laws. You obviously don't understand the Justice Codes in the USA. No one is denying margachito the ability to earn a living, and if we were, it would only be at boxing. He has every right to choose another field or vocation if whoever is hiring thinks he is qualified. A trial? A trial is for someone who has been criminally charged. Sadly, no criminal charges have been filed for this incident. Sorry, bub, no trial for margachito...no jury by his peers. As for understanding liberty, you need to brush up on your jurisprudence. You clearly have no idea what you are blathering on about.

i expected that from you. to deter this assumed rebuttal i put in those "imaginary scenarios" that those probably DIDN'T happen. i tried to steer you away, with text, from stupidity, yet you still found your way into a post dripping in idiocy. you my friend are talented. Rican are in love with Margs everytime there is a thread about Margs the ricans get all wet