Hopkins Offer To Fight Pascal...

i have a better theory, pascal beats dawson, hopkins beats pascal and hopkins beats dawson. I have a better one Dawson beats Pascal in the rematch, Hopkins beats Pascal, and Hopkins-Dawson is a tossup. B-Hop must've seen something that you haven't.

It's a classic example of how triangle theories don't work. Pascal beats Dawson, Hopkins can beat Pascal, but Dawson would beat Hopkins. i have a better theory, pascal beats dawson, hopkins beats pascal and hopkins beats dawson.

The reason Hopkins didn't fight Dawson was because he couldn't draw flies to **** and he arguably lost to Glen Johnson and stunk the joint out against Tarver in some fights that did horrible TV ratings. So now Hopkins wants to go after the guy who just won the Ring belt and people bash him for it? Some people are just gonna hate Hopkins and discredit him for everything he does no matter what.

I don't have any reason to trust what Hopkins says anymore. He went on FNF and said he'll fight the winner of Dawson-Johnson....Chad won, and the fight never happened. Styles make fights, but I think Pascal can still win this one if he and the Executioner ever meet. I think had Chad owned the RING title, he'd have fought for it. Hence the reason he chaced a calzaghe rematch for so long. I think that he saw Dawson as a threat, and in order to save face in the event of a loss.. he'd prefer to fight Dawson after he had cleaned out the division.. so it was truely a Win/Win for him. The old guy coming off a long lay off beats the guy who beat everyone in the division. or.. The old guy coming off a long lay off loses to the guy who cleaned out the division.. Either way you look at it, he is saving face. This is why he wanted Dawson to clean the division out first.. so he wouldn't have to. He could get 1 fight, win or lose, and most likely call it quits afterward. Now, though.. with dawson losing.. he can get that Ring Belt against an easier opponent which will most likely make more money too, and then pull the plug on his career. Pretty much.. when it came to dawson. he would rather beat the guy who beat everyone, so that he doesn't have to fight anymore. The more dangerous the opponent, the safer you have to play. Bhop is smart.

B-Hop doesn't have much left, so he may very well lose to Pascal at this point. I don't have any reason to trust what Hopkins says anymore. He went on FNF and said he'll fight the winner of Dawson-Johnson....Chad won, and the fight never happened. Styles make fights, but I think Pascal can still win this one if he and the Executioner ever meet.

I got a ton of respect for B-Hop but that is bullsh*t to me, he wanted nothing to do with Dawson when he was the champ, now he sees a opportunity to get the titles back without having to fight Dawson now all of a sudden he wants to fight Pascal, then if he wins he is STILL not going to fight Dawson lol

There is some truth to HBO offering whatever it sees fit, but you're not helping your case by using such an exagerrated example as the one in bold. Paul Williams may not be a big ticket seller in the U.S. but he is significantly more recognizable and marketable to the U.S. audience than Felix Sturm. I would've put the difference between Martinez-Williams II and Martinez-Angulo, but I don't know how much they offered for Martinez-Angulo, just that Angulo turned down $750K. Which tells me they've probably offered close to $2M for that fight and I've seen reports of them offering $3M for Martinez-Williams II. Either way, it still stands that HBO can and probably would have make up any discrepancy in attendance revenue.

Hopkins seriously needs to retire

There is a difference, a huge one at that. HBO offers what they see fit. Kelly Pavlik is a pretty good ticket seller. Less than a year ago, he was looking to fight and went to HBO, they offered him $2M for them to split against Felix Sturm... Which wasn't enough, but HBO wouldn't budge. Pavlik came back and got $3.5M offer for them to split against Paul Williams. Why?... Paul Williams is about as much a ticket seller in the US as Felix Sturm is, let alone what Sturm sells in Germany. The fact is that HBO offers whatever it wants to whoever it wants and if the fight is right they'll even make up or surpass any discrepancy for attendance revenue. There is some truth to HBO offering whatever it sees fit, but you're not helping your case by using such an exagerrated example as the one in bold. Paul Williams may not be a big ticket seller in the U.S. but he is significantly more recognizable and marketable to the U.S. audience than Felix Sturm.

I never said HBO got a cut on the attendance, I said that the income from the gate makes more money available to the fighters, via the promoter, obviously. You're acting like HBO is the be-all, end-all when it comes to throwing money around for fights, but it's not. Yes, it's a major factor, but don't try to sit here and argue that there aren't going to be some major financial incentives for fighting a guy who can fill an arena vs. fighting a guy who can't fill his living room, knowing either fight would be on HBO. There is a difference, a huge one at that. HBO offers what they see fit. Kelly Pavlik is a pretty good ticket seller. Less than a year ago, he was looking to fight and went to HBO, they offered him $2M for them to split against Felix Sturm... Which wasn't enough, but HBO wouldn't budge. Pavlik came back and got $3.5M offer for them to split against Paul Williams. Why?... Paul Williams is about as much a ticket seller in the US as Felix Sturm is, let alone what Sturm sells in Germany. The fact is that HBO offers whatever it wants to whoever it wants and if the fight is right they'll even make up or surpass any discrepancy for attendance revenue.

You don't know how much their return on investment is, so most of what you've said is foolishly assuming. HBO doesn't even get a cut on attendance revenue, that all goes to the promoter. I never said HBO got a cut on the attendance, I said that the income from the gate makes more money available to the fighters, via the promoter, obviously. You're acting like HBO is the be-all, end-all when it comes to throwing money around for fights, but it's not. Yes, it's a major factor, but don't try to sit here and argue that there aren't going to be some major financial incentives for fighting a guy who can fill an arena vs. fighting a guy who can't fill his living room, knowing either fight would be on HBO.

Hopkins is about money right now and that's it. That's why you wont see him fight Tavoris Cloud, Chad Dawson, but he'd be quick to fight guys with a fanbase like Pascal and Bute. Hopkins doesn't think he can lose to anyone, he's just following the money. If Dawson could sell out 20,000 seats bhop would have fought him after pavlik. Sh*t, the guy was trying to fight David Haye in England for crying out loud that should tell you something. we KNOW whats up....let them dudes keep thinkin' B.Hop is AFRAID of big BAD CHAD :rofl:.....I tried to explain this to them in another thread...the key word is TRIED!!!...some dudes just dont get it!!

Hopkins probably thinks he can demand a bigger split against a guy like Pascal. Like you said, HBO is paying Dawson regardless - overpaying him, in fact. He's been getting inflated paychecks for a couple of years now. He's probably got a couple million minimum requirement (or more for a Hopkins matchup) and won't step foot in the ring for less, leaving HBO less money to work with to satisfy Hopkins' side. Plus Dawson doesn't draw for **** so the only money on the table is HBO money. HBO subsidized his rematch with Tarver - that tells you all you need to know. When you can do a big gate like Pascal can, there is more money available to satisfy all sides - not all of it has to come from HBO. And Pascal isn't used to the oversized paydays like Dawson is, so Hopkins' side probably thinks Pascal would jump at the chance to make a couple mil. Dawson and Pascal split it 50-50, even though Chad had HBO on his side and Pascal had never been on it, just because he wanted to make the fight. You're assuming a whole bunch of sh!t that has no precedent because Dawson has never not fought someone because of money, unlike... Sure everyone wants to fight on HBO, but not everone needs to - just guys with no fan bases (Dawson, Berto, Williams, etc). OTOH you have guys like Adamek and the Klitschko bros doing their own thing, selling out arenas whether HBO is on board or not. Like I said, HBO is paying out more than they are making on a lot of these fights featuring guys who can't sell tickets, leaving very little wiggle room when it comes to purse negotiations for the opponents of these HBO "stars." Adamek and the Klitschko's can do their own thing, whether HBO is on board or not, but they would rather have HBO on board than no. And that's only 3 examples out of thousands of professional fighters. Adamek went all the way to Arreola's home state of Cali to fight on HBO. That should tell you something. HBO is garbage at making stars, but the truth is that they did the same with Mayweather and he eventually paid off. They did the same with Roy Jones and he paid off. They did the same with Bernard Hopkins. You don't know how much their return on investment is, so most of what you've said is foolishly assuming. HBO doesn't even get a cut on attendance revenue, that all goes to the promoter.

That's why everyone wants to fight on HBO. They would've put up good money to make Hopkins-Dawson. Sure everyone wants to fight on HBO, but not everone needs to - just guys with no fan bases (Dawson, Berto, Williams, etc). OTOH you have guys like Adamek and the Klitschko bros doing their own thing, selling out arenas whether HBO is on board or not. Like I said, HBO is paying out more than they are making on a lot of these fights featuring guys who can't sell tickets, leaving very little wiggle room when it comes to purse negotiations for the opponents of these HBO "stars."

I think it's the other way around. Dawson had nothing to win and everything to lose. Hopkins has everything to win, nothing to lose. Taking his age considered, it's the young boys who won't get credit for a win. Hopkins can only get worse at this point, and will be called over the hill, WAY past prime... aside from us diehards no one knows who chad is still, pascal actually has a following and a draw in canada, i think it has more to do with that

Dawson has the backing of HBO... so it doesn't matter if he can fill up an arena or not, he's still making more money than every other Lt. Heavyweight, sans Hopkins. Williams and Martinez can't draw for sh!t, but you best believe that they got paid good money for that fight with no title on the line and will get paid even more after it. Berto got paid more than a million dollars against Quintana and it's not because he's a draw. That's why everyone wants to fight on HBO. They would've put up good money to make Hopkins-Dawson. Hopkins probably thinks he can demand a bigger split against a guy like Pascal. Like you said, HBO is paying Dawson regardless - overpaying him, in fact. He's been getting inflated paychecks for a couple of years now. He's probably got a couple million minimum requirement (or more for a Hopkins matchup) and won't step foot in the ring for less, leaving HBO less money to work with to satisfy Hopkins' side. Plus Dawson doesn't draw for **** so the only money on the table is HBO money. HBO subsidized his rematch with Tarver - that tells you all you need to know. When you can do a big gate like Pascal can, there is more money available to satisfy all sides - not all of it has to come from HBO. And Pascal isn't used to the oversized paydays like Dawson is, so Hopkins' side probably thinks Pascal would jump at the chance to make a couple mil.

All it tells me is that Pascal can fill an arena in Montreal and Dawson can't get his own parents to show up at his fights. Remember that Hopkins recent negotiations have all fallen apart mostly because of $$$. Dawson has the backing of HBO... so it doesn't matter if he can fill up an arena or not, he's still making more money than every other Lt. Heavyweight, sans Hopkins. Williams and Martinez can't draw for sh!t, but you best believe that they got paid good money for that fight with no title on the line and will get paid even more after it. Berto got paid more than a million dollars against Quintana and it's not because he's a draw. That's why everyone wants to fight on HBO. They would've put up good money to make Hopkins-Dawson.

B-Hop doesn't have much left, so he may very well lose to Pascal at this point. That's what I was thinking. I still favor B-Hop, but Pascal's style of lateral movement, posturing, and exploding would not good be too for him. Jones stalled and postured his way to a decision loss. RJ can't throw more than 40 punches and everybody knows it, and B-Hop couldn't get past the posturing and counter punching to push the pace. What Pascal does lack is the counter punching, which is why I would still put money on Hopkins.

No, Roy Jones Jr was a much better choice. He brought more money. Tha's all Hopkins is chasing at this point. He has wonmore titles than he needs.

All it tells me is that Pascal can fill an arena in Montreal and Dawson can't get his own parents to show up at his fights. Remember that Hopkins recent negotiations have all fallen apart mostly because of $$$.