Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions?

The Martinez/Williams fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Martinez was robbed by the Pierre Benoist 119-110 score. The Collazo/Berto fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Collazo was robbed by the Bill Clancy 116-111 score. The Kotelnik/Alexander was a close bout, but Kotelnik won, and was robbed by a clean 116-112 sweep by the judges. The first two bouts could've went either way therefore the loser wasn't "robbed" technically, but one judge from each bout ruined it by sleeping through the contest making it seem like a total sham. The third was clear bias towards the undefeated hometown HBO fighter. A rematch should be in order for all three. Unfortunately, we might only get one at the best. http://fast1.onesite.com/community.allhiphop.com/user/rdm3/co-sign.jpg

Now that I look at that round again for the first time since I watched the fight Berto didn't dominate that round at all even though he caught Collazo with some good punches. He probably missed over 70% of the punches he threw and Collazo backed him up and bullied him around. Also landed a good combination at the end of the round after Berto hurt him with that body shot. Collazo was holding on with rubbery legs. I don't see in any way how he was "bullying " Berto.

Martinez did not get a bad decision. The fight with Williams was very close and there were many rounds where how you scored it depended on individual interpretation of who was more effective. Williams deserved it as much as Martinez. Collazo didn't quite get a bad decision. I thought he won the fight, but as you said many of his punches were stay busy punches whereas Berto landed harder. I had Collazo winning because he controlled the fight and I thought his punches were hurting Berto despite not looking good, but I guess I can see a way Berto might win, much as I disagree. Kotelnik got a bad decision. He did control the fight, he completely neutralized Alexander, he landed the far majority of the hard punches, there isn't one aspect of judging a fight that Alexander was more effective than Kotelnik in. I can't understand on what basis you can score that fight for Alexander.

I felt Martinez won 7-5.. If it wouldve been scored a draw, I wouldve had no problem with it, but I feel theres no way you can score 7 rounds for Paul. But it was a close fight so he wasnt robbed in that sense, however one of the judges obviously wasnt being fair by scoring it 118-110 for Paul. This put Martinez at a disadvantage because he had to win on both the other judges cards where as Paul only had to win one outta the two. If there was an unbiased judge who knows how he wouldve scored it, so yeah Martinez was robbed of a fair decision. edit: everything was pretty much said already..

What happened in this round? This clip is reflective of how i scored the fight, Collazo throwing punches with very little on them whilst getting nailed with the cleaner/harder shots, only Berto is a busier than Kotelnik was.

What happened in this round? Now that I look at that round again for the first time since I watched the fight Berto didn't dominate that round at all even though he caught Collazo with some good punches. He probably missed over 70% of the punches he threw and Collazo backed him up and bullied him around. Also landed a good combination at the end of the round after Berto hurt him with that body shot.

Collazo really outboxed Berto. Kotelnik outlanded Devin,and this with cleaner punches to the head,so he get robbed plain and simple. Martinez didn't outlanded Williams,but he really ****ed up the guy,I mean,Williams was punch drunk and sorry after the fight,the guy wasn't a winner. If you want to beat an american in USA,you got to throw more punches,land more punches,and hurt the guy,or they will always find an excuse to give the other guy the decision. What happened in this round?

Kotelnik got the better blows in but, I don't think he was active enough. But the thing is he made Devon look weak. Like I think he deserved more rounds. yeah know?? Collazo ehhh he won. As for Martinez I have it a Draw. Fight was so epic it was a slugfeast. But all in all Williams got the decision. But same thing here one of the Judges was being so biased that it was wrong. It's unfair.

Collazo really outboxed Berto. Kotelnik outlanded Devin,and this with cleaner punches to the head,so he get robbed plain and simple. Martinez didn't outlanded Williams,but he really ****ed up the guy,I mean,Williams was punch drunk and sorry after the fight,the guy wasn't a winner. If you want to beat an american in USA,you got to throw more punches,land more punches,and hurt the guy,or they will always find an excuse to give the other guy the decision. He outlanded him, according to who, punchstats ? what are they worth? Dont know what fight your were watching, didn't see anyone getting ouboxed. You score fights round by round, you dont get to the end look at the guy and think" i tell you what, we will give it to this guy cause it looks as though he fuked you up more"

The Martinez/Williams fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Martinez was robbed by the Pierre Benoist 119-110 score. The Collazo/Berto fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Collazo was robbed by the Bill Clancy 116-111 score. The Kotelnik/Alexander was a close bout, but Kotelnik won, and was robbed by a clean 116-112 sweep by the judges. The first two bouts could've went either way therefore the loser wasn't "robbed" technically, but one judge from each bout ruined it by sleeping through the contest making it seem like a total sham. The third was clear bias towards the undefeated hometown HBO fighter. A rematch should be in order for all three. Unfortunately, we might only get one at the best. Amen bra, you called it like it is. Honnestly those fight are close,but there is always a winner. I thought Alexander and Berto lost.Berto and Devin were outboxed in my opinion... Only Williams maybe won. Williams landed more and Martinez landed harder shots.

The Berto-Collazo fight was the only one that wasn't a highway robbery.

This is a good thread. The fights were close, but certainly weren't robberies at all. You can definitely make a good argument that the decisions were good. I agreed with all of them. I thought Williams, Berto and Alexander won to be honest.QUOTE] looool :bottle:

Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions? or did people just react to this because all 3 of those guys were considered underdogs and made the fight unexpectedly competitive? i fear its the latter to be honest. I saw those fights like this...... Martinez-Williams. I though that Williams was more active and that Martinez stepped off the gas, if he had not done that then i may have scored it for him, however Williams let his hands go the whole fight, now whilst not all his punches were hard, he was always forcing the fight and touching Martinez, Martinez was landing good shots but was not as consistent with his attacks imo, also take note, that i watched this on a foreign broadcast so could not be influenced by commentary, not that my interpretation is final by any means Lol Berto-Collazo. I felt Berto landed the harder punches throughout, now Collazo kinda did what Williams was doing at times, which was keep his hands going with punches with little power on them, only the difference was that Williams was pushing the other guy back and being aggressive, taking it to him, he had the momentum going his way when he would do this, so it seemed like he was trying to overwhelm the opponent, Collazo did it going backwards which looked like he was only throwing them cause he had to, so he could stay with Berto, Berto looked to be dictating things to him in those late rounds rather than the other way around imo. Im of the opinion that momentum is a big thing in close rounds, now this does not apply when the guy with the momentum is coming foward, but not landing(Froch), but it does apply with he is landing (Castillo-Mayweather) Kotelnik was a tough fight to score to be honest, Alexander moved his hands but a lot of his punches were showy, out of range, missed, or blocked, by contract Kotelnik was landing the clean punches, only problem i had scoring this fight was, that in some of the rounds i wanted to give Kotelnik, he would land a good shot, but not follow up his attack, it made it look like he rarely ever dominated a round by dictating the pace of the fight &!! landed the clean punches he was landing, at the same time, instead it was Devon dictating the flow of the action for most the rounds, albeit not always landing, not to say he was not landing throughout the fight, he was, with that said, i found it hard to score for Kotelnik when he was so inactive in a lot of the rounds, albeit he was landing the cleaner punches in some of those rounds, too much of the time it was one and done imo. Collazo really outboxed Berto. Kotelnik outlanded Devin,and this with cleaner punches to the head,so he get robbed plain and simple. Martinez didn't outlanded Williams,but he really ****ed up the guy,I mean,Williams was punch drunk and sorry after the fight,the guy wasn't a winner. If you want to beat an american in USA,you got to throw more punches,land more punches,and hurt the guy,or they will always find an excuse to give the other guy the decision.

This is a good thread. The fights were close, but certainly weren't robberies at all. You can definitely make a good argument that the decisions were good. I agreed with all of them. I thought Williams, Berto and Alexander won to be honest.

Kotelnik missed a lot of shots too. The shots Kotelnik did land did look cleaner than D.A's when his landed, but A.K did not land enough for me to say he was robbed. Now Maidana landed enough on Kotelnik for me to say that he clearly beat Kotelnik imo. That was a robbery... Agree 100%, i just find hard to score a round based on 2/3 clean connects, even though the other guy is trying to work the whole round and! also getting threw occasionally, albeit not as significantly. I mean you guys should ask yourself this, how many rounds were there where you can definitively say to yourself, that was a AK round? i could count prolly 2 or 3 at a push.

I thought Martinez-Williams and Berto-Collazo were close, though they had some ****ty scorecards. I thought Kotelnik won clearly though, I found it hard to give Alexander rounds when he was getting hit so cleanly, despite his work rate.Kotelnik missed a lot of shots too. The shots Kotelnik did land did look cleaner than D.A's when his landed, but A.K did not land enough for me to say he was robbed. Now Maidana landed enough on Kotelnik for me to say that he clearly beat Kotelnik imo. That was a robbery...

martinez wasnt hurt, the replay clearly showed that. ur right about williams getting busier though but he was missing a lot of punches. martinez won at least 6 rounds clearly from what panda saw and another round or two he looked to land the more effective blows so panda gave him one of the rounds. Well its been a while since i saw it, all i remember is that both went down, neither were badly hurt so i dont think it was a particularly big issue. Looking at my scorecard, which i saved, it seems i had Martinez winning rounds 2,3, 8,10,11, although i always make a point of HL which rounds were close/debatable, and i made a note that out of those rounds, round 8 was very close. kotelnik wasnt dictating the fight but then again berto wasnt dictating the fight against collazo either but ln ur opinion landing the cleaner harder shots. if going by cleaner, harder shots kotelnik definitely won the fight and panda honestly thought alexander was the real deal But the difference is, Berto was more active than Kotelnik, he would fight in spurts, but he would also follow up his attacks when landing, Kotelnik would land then shell up when Alexander tried to answer back, and some were getting threw. Collazo would dictate but Berto would stop him in his tracks with a clean hard shot, flurry and wrestle back the momentum imo, well, from what i remember.

I thought Martinez-Williams and Berto-Collazo were close, though they had some ****ty scorecards. I thought Kotelnik won clearly though, I found it hard to give Alexander rounds when he was getting hit so cleanly, despite his work rate.

None of the fights were robberies if you ask me. I had Williams winnign 115-113, I had Collazo Berto a draw or a win for Collazo, and I had Alexander vs Kotelnik a draw as well.

Williams also hurt Martinez if i remember. The fight was not only close because Martinez stepped off the gas, Williams had something to do with that, he started putting the pressure on and closing the gap, obviously he realized after round 2 & 3 that he could stand off and Box Martinez cause he would get picked off. He hurt Berto once from what i remember, not that significantly either, also, what your referring to there, is Collazo are punching with meaningless punches(to try and stay busy) cause he was gassed, Berto hit that man with the harder/cleaner shots throughout. Winky used to dictate!! the action aswell as landing his jab, Kotelnik was landing when! he threw, just not dictating the fight, or doing enough over the coarse of 3mins a round imo, although im not too bothered about that fight, it was hard to score for either guy, so not arguments there. martinez wasnt hurt, the replay clearly showed that. ur right about williams getting busier though but he was missing a lot of punches. martinez won at least 6 rounds clearly from what panda saw and another round or two he looked to land the more effective blows so panda gave him one of the rounds. from what panda remembers it was berto who was gassed and clinching to get a breather, collazo was gassed too at some point but he stayed busy with those meaningless punches and they did land...berto hit him with the harder shots but not necessarily the cleaner shots imho kotelnik wasnt dictating the fight but then again berto wasnt dictating the fight against collazo either but ln ur opinion landing the cleaner harder shots. if going by cleaner, harder shots kotelnik definitely won the fight and panda honestly thought alexander was the real deal