Why tygart decided to stop the random blood test in mosley-mayweather 18 days before the fight? Could it be that tygart already know that even the fighter will use whatever steroids or peds they will never be benefited the effect of those peds/steroids in 18 days before the fight, just like what conte said that using steroids/peds months before the fight is an effective way but using them in those time frame is just useless and will never give them any advantage in the fight.
How about u guys? Why do u think tygart decided to stop the blood test 18 days before the fight?
PAc's fans are jumping on the opinion of a doctor who thinks that blood being draw close to the fight will affect the fighters. You Pactards don't even know the amount of blood that's being drawn for the testing lol... Fools lol. Sorry but you all FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do u think we will believe to posters here on NSB or to doctors who went to the university to study about this drugs? :lol1:
I knew you wouldn't have an answer lol... You PAc fans are so phony too lol... As far as Tygart, you'd have to ask him if what YOU say is true why he stopped testing 18 days before the fight if that's true. I'm sure he didn't tell the fighters that he would stop though. I'm sure that Tygart kept the fighters on their toes that they would be testing up till the fight. Why ask Floyd's fans though lol... You thought you had a bullet proof question lol... FOOH lol...
Will u believe that tygart didn't stop the blood test 18 days before the fight has nothing to do with the risk of getting injured and being confident that the fighter will not be benefited by peds/steroids even if they decided to use in those time frame? Or it's just a coincidence?
Dr. Watsons said that there's a chance that the fighter could be injured, what if he test the fighter on the day of the fight and one of the fighter get injured that leads to the cancellation of multi million dollar fight will tygart wait for that to happen or will he make it sure to prevent it from happening? And about conte who knows the in and out of steroids said that using those peds in that time frame will never give a fighter an advantage, don't u think tygart didn't know it?
Oh and i ask the floyd fans because they're the one who is known experts in peds here in NSB and i want to hear it from them, maybe they could enlighten me. :)
Dr. Watson is apparently speculating on what could happen if blood is drawn too close to the fight.
Did he present examples of fighters who have suffered pre-fight or post-fight hematomas, infections or other injuries? Did he present any case histories of fighters who have suffered hematomas due to blood drawing in the past?
Watson has reviewed thousands of medical records because he was the chief ringside physician in Vegas/NSAC for a long time.
"Dr. Watson has done thousands of weigh-in physicals and done thousands of fights. He's viewed tons of medical records. What Dr. Watson was kind of saying was that on some occasions with fighters, he would notice hematomas on the inside of the elbow where they gave blood," said Keith Kizer, executive director of the NSAC.
"So Dr. Watson was concerned that you could have fighters who -- if you take blood too close to the fight -- you could run the risk of something like that developing in a fighter," said Kizer. "That could cause an effect on their performance, especially when they've had to do fights on late notice, for the infections diseases -- Hepetitus A, Hepititis B, and HIV -- and they had to give blood for that."
^So he has firsthand anecdotal knowledge and medical records to back up his claims. It's not just what he views as hypothetical problems that may arise, but actual problems that he's seen up close.
Which brings up the question: Has Manny not suffered cuts in previous fights and bled during those fights?
Getting cut over your eye during a fight isn't the same as developing a hematoma, especially if it's a few days before a fight. Plus there's other risks like contracting infectious disease and it's probably not a great idea to drain blood from athletes who are going through extreme dehydration during the final weeks of training camp.
A strict out of competition random testing policy and random testing to within 3 weeks and directly after the fight (with urine tests throughout) would be the most effective and safe policy.
All I ever heard from Pac fans was Pac was so shook of needles lol. Pac saw his last 2 pay checks, saw that they weren't like when he fought Hatton and Dlh, and decided he isn't that afraid of needles, AND that he still wants 50-50 with Floyd lol...
PAc's fans are jumping on the opinion of a doctor who thinks that blood being draw close to the fight will affect the fighters. You Pactards don't even know the amount of blood that's being drawn for the testing lol... Fools lol. Sorry but you all FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because pac wanted this fight so badly and his fight this november could be his last fight so he wanted to fight floyd before retiring to give the boxing fans what they wanted, but this isn't about pac this is about tygart reasons on why he stop taking the blood test 18 days before the fight.I knew you wouldn't have an answer lol... You PAc fans are so phony too lol... As far as Tygart, you'd have to ask him if what YOU say is true why he stopped testing 18 days before the fight if that's true. I'm sure he didn't tell the fighters that he would stop though. I'm sure that Tygart kept the fighters on their toes that they would be testing up till the fight. Why ask Floyd's fans though lol... You thought you had a bullet proof question lol... FOOH lol...
Is that really reason? or it could be that tygart know this too.
During Thursday's Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing and teleconference that dealt with steroids and drug testing for illegal substances, the Filipino super star's assertion received some support.
Former chief ringside physician, Dr. David Watson, argued that a hematomas, infections or other injuries could develop in the arm as a result of the skin being punctured "within three weeks of a fight."
Or it could be that he knows what conte knows that using steroids/peds in those time frame is useless as they will not give a fighter any advantage in the fight
Dr. Watson is apparently speculating on what could happen if blood is drawn too close to the fight.
Did he present examples of fighters who have suffered pre-fight or post-fight hematomas, infections or other injuries? Did he present any case histories of fighters who have suffered hematomas due to blood drawing in the past?
Which brings up the question: Has Manny not suffered cuts in previous fights and bled during those fights?
I don't pretend to be an expert on drug testing either, but:
Wouldn't it have been worthwhile and more reassuring to address the 18-day cut-off question to the USADA testing team?
Neither Floyd nor Shane controlled the USADA testing procedures nor the USADA ruling on the matter. Only USADA would best know how to answer that question more accurately.
Is it not worth the effort?
Floyd had an under the table agreement with Tygart to stop testing 3 weeks before the fight so he could roid up and still look like a clean fighter. Dodgey underhanded deals from a family of drug dealers and jailbirds.
They stop at 18 days because of these real dangers, yet stupid Flomos are fighting for seeing boxers not at their level best. (That's why these are not real boxing fans, these are just hecklers.) What is idiotic is saying 14 days has expired. Haha... what effing morons.
In their stupidity they actually think that Floyd is like a robot or an animal that can't be affected by it. LOL. Can't wait to see Floyd taking that damn blood test on the day of the fight on his next fight. 18 days cut off next time will be unacceptable.
Yeah bro i think tygart knows the risk to the fighter of being tested near the fight that's why tygard decided to stop the blood test 18 days before the fight and still confident that the fighter will have a fair fight and he knows exactly what conte knows that using those peds in those time frame is useless.
You asked for the reason why and I gave you the reason he stated. I am not assuming. If you want to assume then that's up to you.
All those reason that you gave are valid reason but he did not use any of them.
So u think the main reason why tygart decided to stop the test is because he knows that floyd or shane will be afraid to use the peds because they will never know when they will be tested again and nothing to do with what the doctors and conte said? If that's the case then tygart could stop the test 1 month or more before the fight and not worrying that a fighter will use a peds since they will be scared that they will get caught.
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Doctor Says Drawing Random Blood Risks Pre-Bout Hematoma
-Lem Satterfield
During the failed negotiations for a potential March 13 bout against unbeaten Floyd Mayweather, seven-division champion, Manny Pacquiao claimed that he did not want to have blood randomly drawn for drug testing within 14 days of a fight.
During Thursday's Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing and teleconference that dealt with steroids and drug testing for illegal substances, the Filipino super star's assertion received some support.
Former chief ringside physician, Dr. David Watson, argued that a hematomas, infections or other injuries could develop in the arm as a result of the skin being punctured "within three weeks of a fight."
"Dr. Watson has done thousands of weigh-in physicals and done thousands of fights. He's viewed tons of medical records. What Dr. Watson was kind of saying was that on some occasions with fighters, he would notice hematomas on the inside of the elbow where they gave blood," said Keith Kizer, executive director of the NSAC.
"So Dr. Watson was concerned that you could have fighters who -- if you take blood too close to the fight -- you could run the risk of something like that developing in a fighter," said Kizer. "That could cause an effect on their performance, especially when they've had to do fights on late notice, for the infections diseases -- Hepetitus A, Hepititis B, and HIV -- and they had to give blood for that."
Kizer said that another doctor, Robert Voy, formerly of United States Olympic Committee drug testing, "brought up the fact that you can have infections."
"There was a center in Las Vegas that re-used needles for some sort of tests, and people got Hepatitis C from that situation," said Kizer (pictured below, at right). "So there's a concern that you can infect somebody and that you can infect the arm nick the vein, or jab it in the wrong place. noticed some bruising on the arms within three weeks of the fight. The question is, can you minimize that?"
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Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, CEO of Top Rank Promotions, for example, believes that he knows why USADA ended its random blood testing so far out from the May 1 fight date.
"You notice that they stopped blood testing in the Floyd Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight about 18 days before. Well, I'm not a doctor, but you have to realize that a fighter uses his arms a lot like a runner uses his legs. You can't take blood too close to the fight. Two or three weeks before the fight he can get a hematoma which can prevent him from either training or fighting," said Arum.
"If it's done further out before the fight, then there's no real problem. But closer to the fight, there's a real problem. For a fighter to lose the last week in training or the week before the fight is a disaster for a fighter," said Arum. "That could happen if he gets a hematoma in the arm that's used for the blood test. USADA, whatever, they might say, must have recognized this, and I believe that that's why they didn't test for blood before 18 days."
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^That's the reason.
They stop at 18 days because of these real dangers, yet stupid Flomos are fighting for seeing boxers not at their level best. (That's why these are not real boxing fans, these are just hecklers.) What is idiotic is saying 14 days has expired. Haha... what effing morons.
In their stupidity they actually think that Floyd is like a robot or an animal that can't be affected by it. LOL. Can't wait to see Floyd taking that damn blood test on the day of the fight on his next fight. 18 days cut off next time will be unacceptable.
Why tygart decided to stop the random blood test in mosley-mayweather 18 days before the fight? Could it be that tygart already know that even the fighter will use whatever steroids or peds they will never be benefited the effect of those peds/steroids in 18 days before the fight, just like what conte said that using steroids/peds months before the fight is an effective way but using them in those time frame is just useless and will never give them any advantage in the fight.
How about u guys? Why do u think tygart decided to stop the blood test 18 days before the fight?
Is that really reason? or it could be that tygart know this too.
Doctor Says Drawing Random Blood Risks Pre-Bout Hematoma
-Lem Satterfield
During the failed negotiations for a potential March 13 bout against unbeaten Floyd Mayweather, seven-division champion, Manny Pacquiao claimed that he did not want to have blood randomly drawn for drug testing within 14 days of a fight.
During Thursday's Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing and teleconference that dealt with steroids and drug testing for illegal substances, the Filipino super star's assertion received some support.
Former chief ringside physician, Dr. David Watson, argued that a hematomas, infections or other injuries could develop in the arm as a result of the skin being punctured "within three weeks of a fight."
Or it could be that he knows what conte knows that using steroids/peds in those time frame is useless as they will not give a fighter any advantage in the fight
You asked for the reason why and I gave you the reason he stated. I am not assuming. If you want to assume then that's up to you.
All those reason that you gave are valid reason but he did not use any of them.
the point is they didnt know they wernt gonna be tested..damn how hard is that to figure out??
I know that the fighter didn't know(assuming that floyd really don't know) that they will not be tested in those time frame but tygart has legit reason why he stop the testing and confident that the fight will still be fair at fight night what ever happens in those time frame that he didn't do a test.
Tygart defended his agency's not taking any blood from either Mayweather or opponent Shane Mosley after they had prefight tests 17 and 18 days before they May 1 bout. He said the boxers would be afraid to cheat because they know USADA could come knocking with their needles at any given time.
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Urine-TKOs-blood-in-Nevada-boxing-drug-testing-debate
Is that really reason? or it could be that tygart know this too.
Doctor Says Drawing Random Blood Risks Pre-Bout Hematoma
-Lem Satterfield
During the failed negotiations for a potential March 13 bout against unbeaten Floyd Mayweather, seven-division champion, Manny Pacquiao claimed that he did not want to have blood randomly drawn for drug testing within 14 days of a fight.
During Thursday's Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing and teleconference that dealt with steroids and drug testing for illegal substances, the Filipino super star's assertion received some support.
Former chief ringside physician, Dr. David Watson, argued that a hematomas, infections or other injuries could develop in the arm as a result of the skin being punctured "within three weeks of a fight."
Or it could be that he knows what conte knows that using steroids/peds in those time frame is useless as they will not give a fighter any advantage in the fight
Ok the fighters didn't know that the blood test will stop 18 days before the fight, but tygart has a reason why he's confident to stop the test in that time frame could it be because he knows that in those time frame using any kind of steroids wouldn't help a fighter and he is also well aware about the risk of a fighter getting injured?
Tygart defended his agency's not taking any blood from either Mayweather or opponent Shane Mosley after they had prefight tests 17 and 18 days before they May 1 bout. He said the boxers would be afraid to cheat because they know USADA could come knocking with their needles at any given time.
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Urine-TKOs-blood-in-Nevada-boxing-drug-testing-debate
I am not an expert but the fighters did not know the he was going to stop 18 days before the fight.
There is a difference between knowing and not knowing.
If Mosley/Mayweather did not know. then USADA could pop up in the hotel anytime.
but if Mosley/Mayweather knew that USADA was going to stop 18 days, then Mosley/Mayweather could of used anything because Mosley/Mayweather knew they weren't going get tested.
Ok the fighters didn't know that the blood test will stop 18 days before the fight, but tygart has a reason why he's confident to stop the test in that time frame could it be because he knows that in those time frame using any kind of steroids wouldn't help a fighter and he is also well aware about the risk of a fighter getting injured?
Let's say
you have a job interview on 02/28/2010 and you are a drug user.
you know you going to get tested from 01/01/2010 to 02/28/2010.
Will you used drug within that time?
but if you know the company will test you from 01/01/2010 to 02/01/2010 only. then you could keep doing drug after 02/01/2010