Watched Alexander vs Kotelnik again this moring (while sober) my boy looked terrible.

This is why this fight needs a rematch. It was very similar to Dawson vs Johnson 1. I've been saying the same thing. This was just like Dawson-Johnson I. Both Johnson and Kotelnik's slow starts are what caused them to lose.

It's weird. After the fight last night I thought Kotelnik clearly won the fight by at least a couple of rounds. I thought he was very dominant and landed some very good punches and generally beat Alexander up. However, after rewatching the fight Kotelnik wasn't landing as much as I had previously thought. He still dominated the second half of the fight, but I think Alexander did enough in the early rounds to have maybe justified a draw. Still, Kotelnik shouldn't have lost the fight and had more of a case for winning than Alexander did. I maybe wrong and need to watch the fight for a third time though. It's a weird one to judge. This is why this fight needs a rematch. It was very similar to Dawson vs Johnson 1.

It's weird. After the fight last night I thought Kotelnik clearly won the fight by at least a couple of rounds. I thought he was very dominant and landed some very good punches and generally beat Alexander up. However, after rewatching the fight Kotelnik wasn't landing as much as I had previously thought. He still dominated the second half of the fight, but I think Alexander did enough in the early rounds to have maybe justified a draw. Still, Kotelnik shouldn't have lost the fight and had more of a case for winning than Alexander did. I maybe wrong and need to watch the fight for a third time though. It's a weird one to judge.

His wins aren't. Skill level differential is highly arguable. You know Khan's skills are overrated when you get X number of rent-a-Brit disphits here claiming his skillset to be far superior to Bradley's (laughable, since he's a ways off even being equal to Bradley overall). Alexander and Khan are too guys who groups of people have gotten too high on for whatever reasons. But Alexander's record >>> Khan's. Linares avatar aside, you're just a cheerleader/apologist for Khan and name British fighters in general, nothing more. Who has Alexander beaten? Urango and Witter. Not better than dominations of Malignaggi and Kotelnik. Sorry. Khans skills are overrated? OK but why dont you tell me why Alexanders are better? Oh yeah....you cant. You're more interested in downplaying Khan....or attacking my character....lol.

devon had people who was hyping him looking at their tv screen like thishttp://i29.tinypic.com/2ihpl6u.jpg

Malignaggi hit Khan an awful lot and even blackened his eye. Hatton had an easier time with a fresher Malignaggi and came out unscathed. And this Hatton just came off of two bad performances against Mayweather and Lazcano.

Another point about Khan is that he is not afraid to throw punches against guys who really cant clock him hard. We are yet to see how good he will look against someone who can actually hit him hard. My impression is that he will not be nearly as sterling as he was against Kotelnik. Small, powerless but technical fighters will always be Khan's clientelle. I agree 100. Of course. Every body with one brain cell knows this. I mean GBP is just trying to make him look like he's a changed fighter and that Roach really tweeked up his game. When in fact, Khan's matchmakers are just feeding him guys with low KO percentages or small former Featherweights. Barrera: Small old featherweight fighting at LW with just 2 KOs in 11 fights above FW. Safe opponent and big name. Kotelnik: Very good boxer, very accurate, natural 140 guy. But has just over 10 KO's in 30 fights. Safe technical opponent for Khan. Salita: Flashy undefeated record. Untested at 140. Most KOs came early in his career. Malignaggi: 5 KO's in 30 fights. Enough said.

Don't give me that Malignaggi BS. Anyone who's watched Paul long-time knows he hasn't been a genuine 140lb force for a while. Khan's skillset is as relatively overrated as Alexander's was. You saw no flaws against Malignaggi? You think he's the rounded article? He does some things really well, but he's not the technical masterpiece you guys make out. Watch him pull that right foot when an opponent takes a step back and he throws his right hand, a quick guy who's all there anymore can counter him effectively, and if that guy also happens to be a puncher... And, re. your head to head - exactly, you're going on some triangle crap. You're in the same zone as the guys who hailed Alexander the 2nd Coming on the back of the (admittedly impressive) Urango result. You can downplay Khans wins and skill level as much as you want. Still better than Alexanders

Alexander is a k.o waiting to happen. Maidana and Ortiz would put him on ice. Pretty quick too. I'd favor Khan to beat him up pretty easily as well as long as he doesn't get caught with any bombs. Way different styles than Kotelnik. Less defensive, they come at you, they throw more meaning they're more opened to getting hit than Kotelnik. I would favor Alexander over Maidana/Ortiz. I would favor Bradley over Alexander. I see Ortiz and Maidana having a better style match up against Khan than Bradley and Devon would have against Khan. It's a mess of styles. HBO has to step up it's game and make their Super 6 with these guys. Judah would be a good addition although he'd be looked at as the Taylor/Green of the tourney.

c'mon Dirk...EVERYONE has a punchers chance against Khan :lol1: Yeah and thats all he has.

I see Kotelnik taking the rematch because quite frankly, he gave Alexander way too much respect the first four rounds.

No, he really isn't. Alexander has the more accomplished record...and, again, laboring against a guy Khan skated by doesn't change that. That's one night and one common opponent, but it doesn't say anything for how they might respectively fare against future common opponents or against each other. Alexander's overall record at Championship level >>> Khan's. Again, Alexander isn't a guy I was high on. But it is what it is, and he's more proven than Khan. Also, stating that Kotelnik won a close fight -- as if a fact -- just shows where you're coming from. If you want to bring Kotelnik into that mix, all well and good. I was just referring to the group of young guys, really, the under 30's who are each perceived as the potential future ruler at 140lb. Resumes....Malignaggi and actually beating and dominating Kotelnik is better than anything Alexander has done. Skills....Khan wins comfortably. How they would fair against each other? Alexander has a punchers chance at best. And this is from someone who believed he'd be Khans toughest fight before last night.

This is what I don't understand. Good competition? Who exactly has he beaten? That is why I never understood the hype around this boy. Corley, Witter and Urango were all decent/good fighters.

Why are people making excuses, like the crowd? His first title fight was in front of like 8k people. He's always been a big draw in St. Louis, this is nothing new. And its not like Floyd's never watched him fight before. Cunningham's strategy was just very poor, and once Devon saw that it didn't work he couldn't adjust against that kind of style. To beat a fighter like Kotelnik effectively, it takes very fast feet and head movement, which he clearly doesn't have. Devon cannot go in, throw combinations and then slip back out without getting caught. I've been saying that since before the Urango fight, and people kept making excuses. Its funny how everyone's agreeing with the stuff I've said now. That's why guys like Khan and Bradley would have an easier time with Kotelnik, but guys like Devon and Maidana have a harder time. Because they have the footspeed/movement needed to dominate. Ortiz would probably struggle too, especially with that safely first style because he'd be trying to beat Kotelnik at a game he's been playing since Ortiz was fighting guys like Clottey's brother lol With that being said, he had a bad night, and he'll learn from it, just like everyone else does. But let's not act like these flaws weren't always there. bradley always whup devon. knocking out urango was an optic illusion some people. ppl still annoying his flaws like bradley not gone pick up on him. im gone be e rich come january

Why are people making excuses, like the crowd? His first title fight was in front of like 8k people. He's always been a big draw in St. Louis, this is nothing new. And its not like Floyd's never watched him fight before. Cunningham's strategy was just very poor, and once Devon saw that it didn't work he couldn't adjust against that kind of style. To beat a fighter like Kotelnik effectively, it takes very fast feet and head movement, which he clearly doesn't have. Devon cannot go in, throw combinations and then slip back out without getting caught. I've been saying that since before the Urango fight, and people kept making excuses. Its funny how everyone's agreeing with the stuff I've said now. That's why guys like Khan and Bradley would have an easier time with Kotelnik, but guys like Devon and Maidana have a harder time. Because they have the footspeed/movement needed to dominate. Ortiz would probably struggle too, especially with that safely first style because he'd be trying to beat Kotelnik at a game he's been playing since Ortiz was fighting guys like Clottey's brother lol With that being said, he had a bad night, and he'll learn from it, just like everyone else does. But let's not act like these flaws weren't always there.

Quit your snivelling, boy. When Khan proves it, then you can put him on these guys' levels. Kotelnik is his best win, and I was saying that before last night. Faded Paulie and Salita (the JWW John Duddy) don't get him up to Bradley's level. Bradley's work >>>>>>>>> Khan's. It's not close right now. Anyone who knows boxing knows this. And Devon's more accomplished than Khan at Championship level, too. Piece of advice, get Hamed out of your avatar - with all this bumsniffing of Khan, you're a disgrace to a guy who would fight anyone in his day (and do it with a smile, too). Khan is above Alexander on every possible level right now. 1. Bradley 2. Khan 3. Kotelnik 4. Maidana/Alexander

and you know you a hatter, so fuc u People who use the word "hater" are the gayest motherfukkers on this board. You sound like my girlfriend. I have no reason to "hate" Alexander. He lost last night, plain and simple.

Love to watch this fight again to be honest, It was a difficult fight to score and you have to take other things into account but at first viewing 7-5 to Alexander for me.

People got over-excited because of the manner of his win over Urango, a dynamic KO of a guy generally perceived as un-knockoutable at the weight. It's funny how that kind of prevailing wisdom still reigns here -- the idea that there's any guy in a given weightclass who can't potentially be knocked out, being one example -- but you do find it, group-think accepted as fact, all over this forum. So that's what Alexander's rep suddenly blew up on, knocking a dangerous Urango out spectacularly. Which was certainly deserving of credit, in and of itself. But I personally didn't see anything in Alexander except punch-power to put him above Bradley...he hadn't shown himself near as rounded a technician or as sharp of a boxing intellect on the fly. I thought his win over an older Witter was a lot less complete than Bradley's, for instance, even though he got the stoppage. Now people are coming off their highs a bit and coming back down to reality. Alexander is still more proven than Khan, though, for all those Khan propagandists. One hard fight with a guy Amir dealt with more comfortably doesn't change that. Bradley > Alexander/Maidana (interchangeable) > Khan. This is pure hate.

Well ts you were dumb saying shit like he is the future and Bradley was ducking him based of fights against who for god sake?? Urango and a witter who Bradley beat and robbed kotelnik in england he didn't look all that apart from the ko vs urango I had it close and Alex seemed to be fading a little. This is the same guy who got outboxed by hatton for 12th also people cover up his flaws when he got that ko. there was no ko last night so it was nothing distracting them from seeing his weakness. best believe if he ko kotelnik in the 8 round they would have did it again cause nobody every ko him