Yeah we get it, hes not a worthy opponent but neither was baldomir or clottey but u didnt see a daily thread about how much they sucked posted
controversy aside, margarito is a huge underdog and he deserves respect for taking the fight, heck we knows he is gonna give his all and not pull a Clottey and just try to survive
What was going through my mind pretty much was already stated by IMDAZED. Margarito hasn't done jack shit since he beat Cotto and there are fighters out there at 154 that would be a better challenge for Pac. Even if Margarito didn't load his gloves, it doesn't change the fact he got his shit pushed in by Mosley and hasn't fought or beat a ranked fighter for a year and a half. That alone is a reason to boycott this fight along with the fact that insult is gonna be added to the injury with the catch weight and then the Cotto rematch which is even more pointless.
so? judah hadnt done anything and was coming off a huge loss just like margarito
yet ppl wanted to see how their styles clashed up because they were "slick"
well lots of fans want to see how 2 great warriors clash
oh and garcia was ranked highly by the wbc thats how he got his ranking
There were many better picks. Bad, bad year for Pacquiao. Sure, the Mayweather fight didn't go down (for whatever reason) but at least show the fans something. Clottey and Margarito? With all the fighters available? Not cool. Ahh well. Honestly, so much about boxing has me down lately, I just don't know what to say.
Talk so much about Pac fighting a tune up like Clottey and Margarito when 1 year ago almost nobody give him a chance beating any of them. Things changed so fast huh? Anyway, I dont hear you criticizing Floyd by fighting an old lightweight, catchweight, cheated at the scale and granpa, long lay off, earthquake Mosley. Your not hypocriting yourself isn't it?
What was going through my mind pretty much was already stated by IMDAZED. Margarito hasn't done jack shit since he beat Cotto and there are fighters out there at 154 that would be a better challenge for Pac. Even if Margarito didn't load his gloves, it doesn't change the fact he got his shit pushed in by Mosley and hasn't fought or beat a ranked fighter for a year and a half. That alone is a reason to boycott this fight along with the fact that insult is gonna be added to the injury with the catch weight and then the Cotto rematch which is even more pointless.
Clottey wasn't last minute, he was always plan B. From December when Top Rank slammed the door on the Clottey-Quintana bout for no good reason. Furthermore, when you have to hype a guy by spouting off all the fights he could've won, you should know right away that he's most certainly "a bad pick." Clottey pretty much performed as expected. We gave Manny a pass because he had just fought Cotto and Clottey was a solid "rest" bout. Solid but out of his league in terms of skill and cojones.
I haven't seen Margo come to fight in two years. He didn't fight that way the last time I saw him. And the time before that, he lost every second of the round and was brutally KTFO. I mean, think about that. On PPV for an impromptu title? Pass the remote, please. Nah, who am I kidding? I'll watching. But again, I won't be paying. Terrible, just terrible.
Again, my point with Clottey is that he never looked this bad, even against his losses to Cotto (could have gone either way) and Margo (Clottey fought well and was winning). So nobody predicted a Clottey to appear that way. Lose, yes but not that way.
When you really think about it, besides a few good early rounds by Cotto, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey were all shelled heavily in their fights.
Margo's last fight was a tune up fight and it's his first time back since being caught. I can see him coming to prove something against Manny. Margo will be motivated as this fight against Manny means more and can turn his career around, big time.
Against Mosley, Margo was said to be weight drained and had just been caught cheating a few minutes before the fight. Margo's head could have been somewhere else that night. Still, Mosley had a good plan and deserved the win.
Manny vs Margo has potential. I understand your point of view but I can see this turning to be much better than some have said on this site.
Thats the main reason though bro.
That and how he mysteriously became ranked number for the WBC title. When Angulo and Chavez Jr was ahead of him. It was old Uncle Bribe, I mean Bob. We all know the Brick Layer don't deserve this, the only thing we can do is not support it, and hope the numbers reflect that.
I love how this thread starts off saying "controversy aside." Thats like saying... "aside from the fact that someone dies, what is wrong with murder?" You can't take out the biggest reason for him not fighting and have a legit discussion about it, but I'll go with it and simply tell you to watch Marg vs. Mosley, and the other bum he fought in Mexico a few months ago, enough said.
Because Margarito is a punk, bitch, cheating coward that loads his gloves then tries to put on the retard act to get a pass by acting like a brain dead moron telling every tv station he had no idea his loads were loaded.
1. Cheater
So was Mosley - did you complain?
2. Vacant Title
So these 2 guys are fighting for it .... not the first time
3. No US license
Margo might get one
4. No longer an elite fighter
Still can be very dangerous opponent for Manny. Fight has potential
5. Mysteriously moved up by WBC
There was a good explanation on this a few days ago. Still, not Manny's nor Margo's problem.
6. Fight is at 150 Pounds
I too would have preferred at 154 but if guys like Sugar Ray Leonard can do it, so can Manny.
7. There are better fighters available for Pac to fight.
Manny tried to get Floyd but he is on vacation.
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Being that Margo is an Arum guy, it made sense from their point of view. This fight can bring Margo back from the dead. Might.
Yeah we get it, hes not a worthy opponent but neither was baldomir or clottey but u didnt see a daily thread about how much they sucked posted
controversy aside, margarito is a huge underdog and he deserves respect for taking the fight, heck we knows he is gonna give his all and not pull a Clottey and just try to survive
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer.
You'll be hearing that a lot on November 13th.
Indeed, I can hear Lampley saying it now "it is as if Margarito wants to get hit by those stiff left hand and right hooks"
Clottey was not a bad pick considering it was last minute. He had always fought well, even in his losses. Against Manny, it was his first time that he fought so poorly and the first time one can say he clearly lost. Even several of his losses could have turned into wins. The big problem was that Clottey underperformed. At least that is what it looked like to all of us. I'm sure Manny had a lot to do with that but still, Clottey was in survival mode all night long.
Clottey wasn't last minute, he was always plan B. From December when Top Rank slammed the door on the Clottey-Quintana bout for no good reason. Furthermore, when you have to hype a guy by spouting off all the fights he could've won, you should know right away that he's most certainly "a bad pick." Clottey pretty much performed as expected. We gave Manny a pass because he had just fought Cotto and Clottey was a solid "rest" bout. Solid but out of his league in terms of skill and cojones.
What I like about the Margo fight is that Margo always comes to fight and will not be in survival mode from the opening bell, like Clottey was. It will have action. At least that is what I'm hoping for.
I haven't seen Margo come to fight in two years. He didn't fight that way the last time I saw him. And the time before that, he lost every second of the round and was brutally KTFO. I mean, think about that. On PPV for an impromptu title? Pass the remote, please. Nah, who am I kidding? I'll watching. But again, I won't be paying. Terrible, just terrible.
And Mosley got away with a win on his record for CHEATING. :spankme:
yeah he did
Im SSM #1 fan but he should be stripped of that win. He fought he was all the way back and if not mistaken even fought once on Friday night fights after that
Margs comes back and is right away a number one contender?
Really?
I have Martinez, Chavez Jr, Pwill, and that red head all ranked above him
they all have put in more work and deserve a higher ranking than that cheat
back to SSM
yeah he cheated but he wasnt caught until way after the fact
it was so wrong what he did but no one knew for years
margs was caught red handed
To answer your question TS
Margs does not deserve a shot at pac nor at a vacant title and Pac doesnt deserve a shot at a vacant title just to gain his 8th title in his 8th division
Pac=FRAUD
There were many better picks. Bad, bad year for Pacquiao. Sure, the Mayweather fight didn't go down (for whatever reason) but at least show the fans something. Clottey and Margarito? With all the fighters available? Not cool. Ahh well. Honestly, so much about boxing has me down lately, I just don't know what to say.
Clottey was not a bad pick considering it was last minute. He had always fought well, even in his losses. Against Manny, it was his first time that he fought so poorly and the first time one can say he clearly lost. Even several of his losses could have turned into wins. The big problem was that Clottey underperformed. At least that is what it looked like to all of us. I'm sure Manny had a lot to do with that but still, Clottey was in survival mode all night long.
What I like about the Margo fight is that Margo always comes to fight and will not be in survival mode from the opening bell, like Clottey was. It will have action. At least that is what I'm hoping for.
margarito is a cheater and does not deserve this whatsoever.....a cheater coming off a big win doesnt deserve a big fight but this guy is coming off getting raped in the ring by mosley and beating a complete nobody. The way he lost to mosley should make you wonder if all his percieved skill was really the wrappings and not his fists
Like I told IMDAZED, I prefer this explanation better but you did state that being the cheat that he definitely was, was your main reason why.
1. Cheater
2. Vacant Title
3. No US license
4. No longer an elite fighter
5. Mysteriously moved up by WBC
6. Fight is at 150 Pounds
7. There are better fighters available for Pac to fight.
because he is not earned his way.mosley exposed him as a chump.
getting beat down is not how you get a spotlight fight.its a waist of
time pacman dont let bob arum lead you down this road,
No one here seems to understand that even without the wraps he doesnt deserve the shot.
Like I told IMDAZED, I prefer this explanation better but you did state that being the cheat that he definitely was, was your main reason why.