Really, he is. Pernell didn't have offense like Manny. Pernell just relied on running away while punching. Marvin wasn't incredibly skilled either, he relied on great conditioning and endurance.
I've never seen a fighter use the southpaw stance like Manny does. The way he uses it to set up his power shots, how he throws "crossover punches" as if he was playing basketball, and he has a great right hand now.
He's the most well-versed southpaw of all time.
Bert Sugar: (Pre-fight May-Marquez) "This is not a tune up for Mayweather. He picked the toughest opponent maybe in-clu-ding Pacquiao, that he could've. ...Now it's rare that a man comes back possessing all of his previous skills... I've got this fight a toss up -- A toss up, with Marquez maybe winning...
Bert Sugar: (Post-fight May-Marquez) "Up to now Mayweather has chosen his opponents. They've been his choices: Juan Manuel Marquez 135lbs stepping up to 147, are you kidding?"
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bert sugar is a senile douche bag who doesnt care about any fighters after 1960
what's the purpose of this video?......
Bert Sugar: (Pre-fight May-Marquez) "This is not a tune up for Mayweather. He picked the toughest opponent maybe in-clu-ding Pacquiao, that he could've. ...Now it's rare that a man comes back possessing all of his previous skills... I've got this fight a toss up -- A toss up, with Marquez maybe winning...
Bert Sugar: (Post-fight May-Marquez) "Up to now Mayweather has chosen his opponents. They've been his choices: Juan Manuel Marquez 135lbs stepping up to 147, are you kidding?"
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Marvin Hagler almost got beat by Vito Antuofermo.he almost lost the title to HIM. He also lost to SRL, he got outspeeded and beat by a smaller guy.
Could Marvin go up to 168 or 175? I don't think so.
if he was on performance enhancers like manny then he can go all the way up to heavyweight
Indeed. Saldivar was amazing. Truly skilled.
It's really funny though. You know immediately when someone has either never watched a guys fights or has watched maybe one or two of his fights throughout his whole career when they say stupid **** like this.
"Whitaker just ran away and pot shotted" or "Hagler was just a brawler with good conditioning".
Whenever you see these comments you know they have most likely just picked up talk from other people without ever watching them actually fight or they've seen a highlight or two and maybe even one whole fight *gasp*.
Ah man, where do these guys come from?:smashfrea
Yep... It may also be another thing to mention that boxing seemed so much more pure back then. To be a master boxer back then was even greater than it seemed at the time. Imagine some of those great boxing minds and monster hearts in todays boxing. Evolved with new size and training methods to fight todays "great" fighters .
Weightlifting is such a big part of lower weight class fighting now and everyone relies on power/natural talent and pure boxers are far and few between.
Just my opinion...
Pernell got outboxed by Trinidad.Trinidad shoulder roll his ass!
Pacquiao is on another level!
PACQUIAO>>>> PERNELL WHITAKER
all the way
I know. Pacquaio would beat Whitaker easy by outworking him at the very least
A prime Camacho is the fastest fighter I have ever seen. But, that statement in the bold is just ridiculous... Pre Edwin Rosario it could be a 50/50 fight. Post Edwin Rosario Pac beats Camacho... However, whenever they would of fought at 130 and above. Camacho would had never made Pac look foolish. He could of won pre Rosario but not made him look foolish. Whitaker on the otherhand of course. But, Whitaker could of made a lot of ATG skills fighters look foolish no shame there.
Some of you guys acting like Pac is just a pure unskilled mofo. He is not on Whitaker level I agree. TS is just a moron but Pac does have skills.
One of the very few objective Pacquiao fans I've seen. Well done.
A prime Camacho is the fastest fighter I have ever seen. But, that statement in the bold is just ridiculous... Pre Edwin Rosario it could be a 50/50 fight. Post Edwin Rosario Pac beats Camacho... However, whenever they would of fought at 130 and above. Camacho would had never made Pac look foolish. He could of won pre Rosario but not made him look foolish. Whitaker on the otherhand of course. But, Whitaker could of made a lot of ATG skills fighters look foolish no shame there.
Some of you guys acting like Pac is just a pure unskilled mofo. He is not on Whitaker level I agree. TS is just a moron but Pac does have skills.
Again, this dude knows this sport.
Prime Hector Camacho would make Pac look foolish , as far as skills go Camacho had it all over Pac , Sweet Pea would box Pacs ears off also , Pac is nowhere near the best skilled South Paw .
A prime Camacho is the fastest fighter I have ever seen. But, that statement in the bold is just ridiculous... Pre Edwin Rosario it could be a 50/50 fight. Post Edwin Rosario Pac beats Camacho... However, whenever they would of fought at 130 and above. Camacho would had never made Pac look foolish. He could of won pre Rosario but not made him look foolish. Whitaker on the otherhand of course. But, Whitaker could of made a lot of ATG skills fighters look foolish no shame there.
Some of you guys acting like Pac is just a pure unskilled mofo. He is not on Whitaker level I agree. TS is just a moron but Pac does have skills.
I'll ask the question that has always killed and blanked Pacturds... "Please explain why"
They hate having to talk boxing
Honestly really I read your shit you not much better.
He is not. He just isnt ok.
For one - Sweet Pea was alot more skillfull! Manny Pac has skill and class but its his gifts in speed, power, fitness and his tenacity that make him so special
This thread literally brought me to tears. It's so pathetic that it's impossible not to laugh. I mean the guy said "defense takes very little skill... it's very easy", and expects someone to take him serious.
is Pac a great fighter? Yes, and he very well may be the best southpaw in boxing. But the most skilled of all time? He isn't even the most skilled of all active fighters. That title belongs to Chad Dawson.
As for the comparisons to Sweat Pea and The Marvelous One? I can't even take those serious. I mean really, it's beyond sad. Hell, Pacquiao isn't even as skilled as Camacho or Winky, and the list goes on.
Also, TS is getting greatness mixed up with skill.