The facts are on the table about May vs Pac

I wonder why Ross didn't say who in floyd's camp he was speaking with. That would have ended everything. If he comes home at 5am and tells his wife a half truth like "I was with a firend" she'd shoot his ass quick. Who was ross speaking with? Greenburg is the most neutral guy in all of these bad boys. Hbo wants to make money. The biggest money making fight is pac vs may. So he has interest on both sides, therefore neutral. Greenburg need both to make the biggest fight of the decade. Hbo needs both. Greenburg saying there was a negotiations means there was. Bottomline: HBO wants money. And the biggest fight is Floyd vs Pac. How unbaised can a midleman be? He has interest in both parties. He is definitely in the middle of the talks. Please give a reason why you think Greenburg was biased.. I know that is your side. That's what flomos would think lol Again I will wait for your proof lol

yea...i'm sure Greenburg was just talkin to Floyd's maid and there was no negotiations really going on...i mean, why would Greenburg even want that fight to be made...and im sure he doesnt care about his good name...that's why he lied :rolleyes: I didn't say he lied nor am I calling him a liar. Again I don't know and you don't know whom ross was speaking to. I'd like to know. Your problem is you read into a post rather than just read it. You are so sure there is a hidden agenda or innuendo that you can't even answer the post directly.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg How about you answer the question if you know the answer. Any idea who ross was speaking with? And why didn't he just say the name?

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Anymore takers? I wonder why Ross didn't say who in floyd's camp he was speaking with. That would have ended everything. If he comes home at 5am and tells his wife a half truth like "I was with a firend" she'd shoot his ass quick. Who was ross speaking with?

Anymore takers? Anymore takers?

Anymore takers?

I am hoping Floyd will finally grow a pair by then. Most likely scenario is Floyd will mayweather Pacquiao. Yup, I will finish fixing your sentence for you. You are hoping Floyd will finally grow a pair of balls hehe! I think he is laying an egg somewhere.

You sir, are out of your mind. :tapedshut oh right. I'm the one who's out of my mind lol That's why there's is no argument on your side anymore.. Right :fing02:

No he will comeback when his potential threats have lost a step.. Say 2 years as what he has said all along. He is having a a 2 year vacation. What more do you want? He is at his prime. But he rather have a vacation. After 2 years when the threats have subside. He will fight someone. But you know what it won't have that anticipation that the fans want. Like how everyone I mean how hot the world want to see him fight pac. But he rather fight after 2 years when the dust has settled and all the legitimate threats have been bruised and lost a step. While is still fresh as a daisy. Older but still fresh as a daisy.. You sir, are out of your mind. :tapedshut

What the fans want to know are the details of the so-called proposal that was sent by Bob to the May camp or to Greenburg. We still don't know what the details of the proposal were and if it was in fact a "Done Deal". Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in. That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals. http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=174594 you should work as a PR guy for team mayweather cuz they suck at it right now. this what were getting from them... during negotiations = complete silence after the deadline = "there were never any negotiations" "we want more than 50%" after greenburg confirmed the negotiations = "IRS" "2 year vacation" "no negotiations happened, hes lying" note how 1. they dont talk about drug testing anymore. 2. first they want more than 50% but then now theyre saying floyd will make too much money this year if he fights pac this year. 3. they never rejected the proposal, they just keep rejecting the existance of the negotions. (why? imo cuz they just ignored the whole thing cuz they dont want the pac fight in any shape or form) 4. floyd is ducking

1. Roger may be getting locked up... Does Floyd fight without his trainer? 2. Fighting 2xs in 2010, taxes are murder. It would be like he never fought Shane the way he'd get raped. 3. Normally the date of a fight is decided in negotiations, Nov. 13 was already a done deal by Uncle Bob. There are other fights going on, let it go. Its gonna happen, use this time to learn more about the sport.. Your taxes argument, you pay the same percentage in the irs whether big amount or not. even if the fight is next year it's the same amount of percentage taxes brah.. Damn you believe senior that guy doesn't pay taxes lol and doesn't know how irs works lol How gollible are you to believe a convicted fellon. Geez pathetic lol You surely don't pay your taxes lol

1. Roger may be getting locked up... Does Floyd fight without his trainer? 2. Fighting 2xs in 2010, taxes are murder. It would be like he never fought Shane the way he'd get raped. 3. Normally the date of a fight is decided in negotiations, Nov. 13 was already a done deal by Uncle Bob. There are other fights going on, let it go. Its gonna happen, use this time to learn more about the sport.. Oh yeah the trainer argument. So why not tell it as it is. And tell the boxing world he can't fight coz roger is not by his side. Why say he is having time-out with family and going on vacation for 2 years again lol. Just makes Floyd look like a sissy bro. If you a real gorrilla say it as it is. Man-up and speak it. I guess it really is a bitch that floyd is ducking.. all it takes is saying I can't fight coz roger ain't around, but he takes the vacation route. And ellerbe saying there where no nego to clealy protect his ducking ways, but it backfired the most neutral guy among all of the players hbo presiden Greenburg has spoken. Now Floyd looks like a tool.. lies after lies.. Geez, coz the truth is he just doesn't want to fight anyone not pac not any legitimate threat to his 0. I know it is painful, but that's about it. He should have said that trainer argument but he didn't. Coz he really was ducking :bottle:

1. Roger may be getting locked up... Does Floyd fight without his trainer? 2. Fighting 2xs in 2010, taxes are murder. It would be like he never fought Shane the way he'd get raped. 3. Normally the date of a fight is decided in negotiations, Nov. 13 was already a done deal by Uncle Bob. There are other fights going on, let it go. Its gonna happen, use this time to learn more about the sport..

Do you seriously believe that FMJ is gonna take 2 more years off? Come on! Why are u ignoring the fact that he also said that he would be fighting in Dec?? Pac said that he "his mom allowed him one more fight". Do you believe he is fighting just one more time? If you believe Floyd is fighting in december shows even more he is ducking pac lol.. Pac is the biggest paycheck, floyd fighting whoever on dec shows that he is ducking the biggest paycheck in his life and settling for a smaller money.. Why is that? I mean he only ducked pac for the biggest pay check of his life lol I'm sure you still don't get. He is called money may. The biggest fight is on nov with pac not on dec.

Do you seriously believe that FMJ is gonna take 2 more years off? Come on! Why are u ignoring the fact that he also said that he would be fighting in Dec?? Pac said that he "his mom allowed him one more fight". Do you believe he is fighting just one more time? yup I'm seriously thinking it's pac's last fight if Floyd won't show up next year. How about reading what Kevin Iole had to say =) HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg released a four-paragraph, five-sentence statement Monday which cast doubt upon the veracity of Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Mayweather’s best friend, Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe; Golden Boy Promotions president Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and which forever eliminated any doubt about Mayweather’s intention: He’s ducking Manny Pacquiao. There can be no other rational explanation. More From Kevin Iole * Quality undercard a Golden opportunity Jul 26, 2010 * Pacquiao to fight Margarito in November Jul 23, 2010 AdChoices Welcome to “Mayweather in Wonderland,” where they try to convince you that up is down, the grass is blue and the sky is green. Never mind that Mayweather has tarnished, perhaps forever, his legacy as one of the best boxers of all time. Given his disinclination to fight Pacquiao, it’s hard to regard him as the best fighter of his own time. Mayweather was nowhere to be found on Monday, still on vacation, apparently oblivious to the millions of boxing fans desperate to hear a word about his intentions. If Mayweather cared about his legacy, if he cared about the sport that has made him rich and famous, he wouldn’t have been invisible the last few weeks while allowing Ellerbe to spew a lot of mumbo jumbo. Mayweather and his cronies attempted to insinuate that Top Rank chairman Bob Arum was being deceitful when he said he’d been negotiating for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight with Greenburg serving as the middle man. Greenburg and Arum have not had the strongest of relationships, while Greenburg has an extraordinarily cozy relationship with Golden Boy. If Arum were lying, their frequently contentious history together suggests that Greenburg would have called him on it immediately. Greenburg, though, clearly sided with Arum, when he said, in part, “I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd … “ That’s what Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, has steadfastly claimed for weeks. On June 30, Arum told Yahoo! Sports that “all issues were resolved” and that the only outstanding matter was whether Mayweather wanted to fight in 2010 or 2011. Arum then set a July 16, 11:59 p.m. deadline on Mayweather to accept the deal. On a conference call in the early morning hours of July 17, Arum announced the deadline had passed without word from Mayweather and that he was pursuing a fight for Pacquiao with either Antonio Margarito or Miguel Cotto. Ellerbe, though, released a statement on July 19 that was the beginning of the end for Team Mayweather’s credibility. Ellerbe disputed that talks had even taken place. “Here are the facts,” the statement read. “Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on November 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.” That led many in the media to quickly assail Arum’s credibility and for Schaefer and De La Hoya to issue self-righteous comments backing Ellerbe and denying negotiations had ever taken place. And they would have won this silly game had it ended there and had Greenburg not entered the fray. Arum insisted he was telling the truth, but few seemed to believe him. They didn’t, that is, until Greenburg released his brief, simple, but truly remarkable statement. In it, he said, “Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It’s unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010. I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it.” Here’s what sports fans deserve: They deserve better than to waste their hard-earned money on “Money,” who acts as if he’s invented the sport. Mayweather’s a brilliant talent who never seems to let one forget it, who behaves as if he should be able to dictate terms and others should gratefully accept it because he said so. Let him play in his fantasy world. Boxing doesn’t need him. And, truth be told, he’s wrong about his value. Mayweather has sold more pay-per-views against common opponents than Pacquiao and his gates for those fights have been bigger. But Pacquiao’s Nov. 14 bout with Cotto at the MGM had a far greater economic impact upon the city of Las Vegas than either of Mayweather’s and the Nevada Gaming Control Board attributed casinos’ best performance in 22 months in November 2009 to the presence of the Pacquiao-Cotto bout and the high-rolling Asian gamblers who spent loads of money. Despite apparently being caught red-handed when Greenburg released his statement, Ellerbe’s only response on the record was, “I hear his statement and I stand by my statement.” But he then attempted to insinuate that comments Mayweather made at a June 2 Make-a-Wish event in Las Vegas should have been taken by the media that he never planned to fight Pacquiao this year. “At this particular time, Floyd Mayweather is taking probably a year off, a couple of years off from the sport of boxing,” Mayweather said at the charity event. “I don’t really know what the future holds for Floyd Mayweather at this particular time, but I’ll probably take a couple of years off.” Saying one “probably” is going to take a year off is a lot different than releasing a statement or holding a media conference and announcing one’s retirement. Yet, Ellerbe attempted to intimate that Mayweather’s statement to sports director Chris Maathuis of KLAS-TV in his gym at a charity event was a definitive announcement. What muddied the waters even more was De La Hoya apparently lying to Univision on June 11. In a televised Spanish-language interview, De La Hoya said of a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, “I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I will say that we are very close.” The comments caused quite a stir when they were made, but Schaefer dismissed them. He insisted De La Hoya had been misquoted. But when those pesky reporters actually went and had Spanish experts translate the recording, it turned out that De La Hoya wasn’t misquoted. So the Golden Boy tried a different tactic on Monday. He told Robert Morales of BoxingScene.com, “I think I said it because I get the question so many times that, obviously, I was fed up and tired of it and I just said like, ‘Yeah, yeah, it’s gonna get made.’ ” Essentially, De La Hoya on Monday admitted to lying on June 11, though it’s uncertain how his June 11 comments would have helped end the questioning he wanted to avoid. Given that he said a deal was close, that would only seem to make the scrutiny greater, no lesser. Had he said there were no talks – which he’s now insisting is the truth – and that the fight was not going to happen, no one would have had reason to keep asking him. No one is going to ask any more. How can anyone support someone with Mayweather’s arrogance, who cares so little about the fans who made him rich beyond his wildest dreams that he won’t even consider the fight they want more than any other? Mayweather has run from his biggest challenge. The fans, even those who have ardently supported him through the years, will surely remember that. And the next time he dares to compare himself to one of boxing’s all-time greats, such as Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard, they’ll scoff. He can’t hold a candle to either.

Do you seriously believe that FMJ is gonna take 2 more years off? Come on! Why are u ignoring the fact that he also said that he would be fighting in Dec?? Pac said that he "his mom allowed him one more fight". Do you believe he is fighting just one more time?

The facts are on the table already.. Facts are accounted for. now conclusion is to be made. Greenburg is the most neutral guy in all of these bad boys. Hbo wants to make money. The biggest money making fight is pac vs may. So he has interest on both sides, therefore neutral. Greenburg need both to make the biggest fight of the decade. Hbo needs both. Greenburg saying there was a negotiations means there was. Bottomline: HBO wants money. And the biggest fight is Floyd vs Pac. How unbaised can a midleman be? He has interest in both parties. He is definitely in the middle of the talks. the verdict has been made by the boxing community. They have seen it as clear as day, except for the flomos.. It's official floyd is a ducker and doesn't want a piece of a legitimate threat. And Floyd wants a 2 year vacation. (he can't even let a dying boy get his wish for him to fight pac, but instead tellls the boy I need a 2 year vacation) Floyd doesn't want to fight no more. Not pac or anyone at all. If you flomos want to wait for him after 2 years.. I guess to each his own, but don't expect him to have a nice legacy to show for in the boxing history. If you can't see that.. Your blind as a bat. At least pac is fighting unlike Floyd, you guys are wondering if he will ever fight again. I say as a fan just retire for good.. Floyd is short changing the boxing community. Bottomline: he wanted to have a vacation. He didn't want to fight. Not this year or next year. It came out from his mouth. Why can't you believe that. it's straight up from the horses mouth. Bottomline: He is wasting his best remaining years as a fighter. The iron is hot. The boxing community wants this mega fight. But he rather have a vacation. The man has spoken. He doesn't want a fight for 2 years. Greenburg as a middleman tried to make it happen. But what can you do if the other party (floyd) just want to have a long vacation. He calls himself money but he rather not fight for the biggest pay check of his life. Why coz he rather spend some time with his family. A Fighter during the hay days fights 10 times a year. Are we asking too much from floyd for asking him to fight twice this year? I think Floyd Mayweather could fight Matthew Hatton at the end of this year and get knocked out in the first round and still go down as one of the best super-featherweights ever, one of the most consistent performers of his era, a defensive mastermind and a master-boxer. Not to mention a first-ballot hall of famer. Thats just my opinion, but time will tell. I feel his legacy has already been cemented and what is left of his career is either icing on the cake. Whether that icing is vanilla flavored of diarrhea flavored we are about to find out.

see man Floyd never said that we can't have a serious discussion with you when you just making shit up bro anyway enjoy watching Pacquiao vs Margarito for a vacant belt at a catchweight as possibly the last fight in Manny Pacquiao's career. and thank uncle Bob for making it happen what now phenom? what's the matter floyd bit your tongue?

Fact is, Greenburg has a shitload to gain for making this fight happen. So I'm inclined to believe that he did everything within his power to be the middle man for negotiations. If he says negotiations did happen, and Ellerbe says they didn't....I'm inclined to think that's because Floyd wasn't interested in the fight, and thus refused to negotiate. amen to that brother.