Williams targets Pac... wtf?

It is easier to say than done and we can do that to other greats as well. I go to boxing historian like Bert Sugar for his unbiased opinion about Pac than all the wannabe boxing expert here in NSB. You are a good poster. If you can dissect the negative side of Pac's greatness then what more you can do about Floyd's career to shut up all his hilarious fans. :lol1: he isn't taken that seriously. You can't stop the facts that Roach himself said both Cotto and Hatton weren't the same. Or how he avoided Mosley on purpose. Cotto's belt was a Paper title. It shouldn't mean a thing. The Man in the division was Margarito then Mosley. Hatton, he may have held the title still at 140, but we all saw what happened to him when he finally stepped up to Floyd. There were better opponents at 140 at the time than a fading Hatton. And Diaz...forget it. Floyd's career can be ripped as well. I've said so myself. Specifically at 147. Also remember, the importance of modern nutrition and science that Pac has taken advantage of that some of the past greats, who also fought in less divisions, with less belts, many had problems getting fights or just couldn't get fights for one reason or another...didn't have that luxury of Ariza and Teri Tom. But of course, Pac has every right to take that to his advantage because it is there. Again, as long as you recognize the Heavyweights are greater than the lower weight divisions because they don't have a problem with how tall or how heavy you are. Or the likes of Sam Langford who didn't care as well. Just don't put Pac or Floyd in front of the likes of Sam Langford "P4P" all time.

You know Benny, I just do see any changes from when he burst on the seen on friday night fights, Then HBO, to now. Paul has a jab that doesn't do anything, an uppercut that he throws from to far away most of the time, and uses the same head movement pattern every fight...Like a robot or something. Not to mention, the Verno fight was like one of the only fights he went to the body! The man never goes down stairs...He is a head hunter, pure and simple. I have been saying it for a while now, the man is not improving!... Just to be all real, Paul is starting to worry me (as a fan), you can see the wars maybe starting to take a toll on him...Hints, the reason he wants a huge name, and payday so bad. Also why I think he doesn't want 50/50 with Martinez. He knows they may just pick up right where they left off. I think Paul is sensing his time is short...But that's just me. He hasn't. I, and others, have said he needed to bring in another trainer to help add to his arsenal and clean him up so to speak. His defense is his offense. If you look at Hearns, he was a very good boxer. Incredible jab, sharp punches, accurate, balance, combinations, and so on.

Diaz? Post Plasterd Cotto? Post-KO'd Hatton who looked terrible in the Lazcano fight? Forget who he fought at 130 for the title to win it. Was it Morales? I remember he lost to Morales the first time around and won the second fight. Although that was after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem and looked a bit drained coming back down in weight. I guess I'll stick with the Diaz, Post-KO'd Cotto and Hatton for now. Pac's a special fighter no matter what though. Just not quite what some make him out to be as the greatest. It is easier to say than done and we can do that to other greats as well. I go to boxing historian like Bert Sugar for his unbiased opinion about Pac than all the wannabe boxing expert here in NSB. You are a good poster. If you can dissect the negative side of Pac's greatness then what more you can do about Floyd's career to shut up all his hilarious fans.

True, Williams isn't Tommy Hearns. And didn't look so good in his last outing which Martinez noted as well. You know Benny, I just do see any changes from when he burst on the seen on friday night fights, Then HBO, to now. Paul has a jab that doesn't do anything, an uppercut that he throws from to far away most of the time, and uses the same head movement pattern every fight...Like a robot or something. Not to mention, the Verno fight was like one of the only fights he went to the body! The man never goes down stairs...He is a head hunter, pure and simple. I have been saying it for a while now, the man is not improving!... Just to be all real, Paul is starting to worry me (as a fan), you can see the wars maybe starting to take a toll on him...Hints, the reason he wants a huge name, and payday so bad. Also why I think he doesn't want 50/50 with Martinez. He knows they may just pick up right where they left off. I think Paul is sensing his time is short...But that's just me.

Well we can't bet on it as this will takes a lifetime. Maybe someone will do it but you have to take a closer look who are his opponents when get those titles. Pac when you look at his opponents where he got those titles. Do you think will be easy for someone to get pass on these quality of opponents if you not something especial? Diaz? Post Plasterd Cotto? Post-KO'd Hatton who looked terrible in the Lazcano fight? Forget who he fought at 130 for the title to win it. Was it Morales? I remember he lost to Morales the first time around and won the second fight. Although that was after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem and looked a bit drained coming back down in weight. I guess I'll stick with the Diaz, Post-KO'd Cotto and Hatton for now. Pac's a special fighter no matter what though. Just not quite what some make him out to be as the greatest.

Yes, it is "easier" than prior years with what some other fighters had to go through. More titles, more divisions, and even a possible watered down era of talent. Let's put it this way: If Pac had to face Paul Williams when Williams had the title at WW, do you think he wins? Or how about if we upped the stakes and made the ocean bigger than this current state, and had a Prime Tommy Hearns in this division. Do you think Pac wins? Now imagine all of those fighters that "could have been" Champions if it weren't for that freak of nature named Tommy Hearns. Or Sugar Ray Robinson and the list goes on. Some eras are easier to conquer than others. In the future, if fewer people box and the art of boxing slowly declines...and/or we add even more divisions and more belts...there might be someone to come along and be 15 division Champ. Well we can't bet on it as this will takes a lifetime. Maybe someone will do it but you have to take a closer look who are his opponents when get those titles. Pac when you look at his opponents where he got those titles. Do you think will be easy for someone to get pass on these quality of opponents if you are not something especial?

Truth is, i'm getting a bit sick of cats calling out a fighter that they know they have little chance of fighting (do to the in house special)... Real talk, I wish Pac would take this fight! Paul Williams is nothing special...He is not improving as a fighter. He simply relies on his activity. Size is not really a factor with Williams, he has yet to show he can use it properly. It was proven (as I stated) in the Cintron fight. Paul is ripe for the taking! People can focus on the Cintron dive out of the ring all they want, but the facts are, Paul was slow, and there to be hit. The two times he was caught, he was rocked...The second time buckled him. People really seem to forget that movement does bother Williams. Manny doesn't just come forward you know. **** it! I think Manny can beat Williams. I for one am all for the fight! It won't happen though. Before the huggers attack me, sure Williams can win this fight...But if you look past all the height and reach avantages he has over Manny, then understand that he may not use them anyway. This becomes a very interesting fight! Just remember people, every chin has it's breaking point (Margo/Shane), and Williams chin has been getting check left and right as of late. This may be the fight to shatter it. Hope the fight happens, I doubt it though... True, Williams isn't Tommy Hearns. And didn't look so good in his last outing which Martinez noted as well.

We are not talking here about the heavyweights. What I'm trying to say Williams is too tall for the welterweights. Can't you see that? Pac is great fighter but he is human and has some limitation and he knows that. That is why he admitted Yuri Foreman is too tall/big for him but it doesn't mean he is a coward or cherrypicker. He just know his limitation and I saw that and you shoud see too. If you can make the weight you fight. How come it is OK for HWs to fight tall guys but not the lower weight classes? How come it was OK for Langford to step up to the plate and fight Taller, Heaviwer fighters but not the rest. And, people want to compare these other guys who don't do it with the likes of Langford. How does that work legacy wise? Chico was tall for his division as well. So was Tommy Hearns at WW. And many others. If Pac were to move up to 154 and fight, and avoid certain fighters, yes, that would mean he is carefully matching himself up with people he can beat instead of fighting the best. This is what they accuse Floyd of doing as well. Which is fair. As far as it goes, this is a business and in order to stay in the business you carefully match yourself up. But once we start talking about legacy, it comes into play that you avoided the best in your division. If Holyfield was in Pac's position, he would step up to the plate, no question about it.

Other fighters couldn't do it for these reasons: 1. there were only 13 weight divisions back in the day: there was no 154, 168, 140. So a manny couldn't go from 135 to 140 to win atitle he'd have to go from 135 to 147. 2. NO IBF, WBA, IBC, WBO existed. At 140 manny beat hatton for the IBC/WBO titles and beat Cotto for the WBO ww title. If he was doing this in 1979 he could only win the WBC or WBA belt. No diss to manny just the truth. I don't think another fighter can do 7 or 8 because you have to start small and move up. if you start at 135 and try to go to heavyweight (135. 140, 147, 154, 160, 168, 175, 190) that is much more difficult. SHould say IBA

Truth is, i'm getting a bit sick of cats calling out a fighter that they know they have little chance of fighting (do to the in house special)... Real talk, I wish Pac would take this fight! Paul Williams is nothing special...He is not improving as a fighter. He simply relies on his activity. Size is not really a factor with Williams, he has yet to show he can use it properly. It was proven (as I stated) in the Cintron fight. Paul is ripe for the taking! People can focus on the Cintron dive out of the ring all they want, but the facts are, Paul was slow, and there to be hit. The two times he was caught, he was rocked...The second time buckled him. People really seem to forget that movement does bother Williams. Manny doesn't just come forward you know. **** it! I think Manny can beat Williams. I for one am all for the fight! It won't happen though. Before the huggers attack me, sure Williams can win this fight...But if you look past all the height and reach avantages he has over Manny, then understand that he may not use them anyway. This becomes a very interesting fight! Just remember people, every chin has it's breaking point (Margo/Shane), and Williams chin has been getting check left and right as of late. This may be the fight to shatter it. Hope the fight happens, I doubt it though...

lol! so to be a 7 weight divisions champ is easy to achieve now because of this? Now will you tell me please beside Pac who did it before or you think somebody will able to duplicate it in this generation let alone to surpass it? Other fighters couldn't do it for these reasons: 1. there were only 13 weight divisions back in the day: there was no 154, 168, 140. So a manny couldn't go from 135 to 140 to win atitle he'd have to go from 135 to 147. 2. NO IBF, WBA, IBC, WBO existed. At 140 manny beat hatton for the IBC/WBO titles and beat Cotto for the WBO ww title. If he was doing this in 1979 he could only win the WBC or WBA belt. No diss to manny just the truth. I don't think another fighter can do 7 or 8 because you have to start small and move up. if you start at 135 and try to go to heavyweight (135. 140, 147, 154, 160, 168, 175, 190) that is much more difficult.

So the same as Floyd pre-retirement. And remember, had Pac fought at what he weighed in on fight-night as the years went on, we could have talked about a Pac vs. Floyd fight years before we started. Pac blew up in weight when he fought in the lower weight divisions. What about Sam Langford? Barbados Joe Walcott and others as well. And yes, you are right. You can't compare a "Man's" division like the HWs to the boys division. Those guys up there don't give a shit about Height and Weight. That's why, overall, they are the best. Current best fighter is the HW Champ. The rest below it have to use "P4P" by their names. We are not talking here about the heavyweights. What I'm trying to say Williams is too tall for the welterweights. Can't you see that? Pac is great fighter but he is human and has some limitation and he knows that. That is why he admitted Yuri Foreman is too tall/big for him but it doesn't mean he is a coward or cherrypicker. He just know his limitation and I saw that and you shoud see too.

lol! so to be a 7 weight divisions champ is easy to achieve now because of this? Now will you tell me please beside Pac who did it before or you think somebody will able to duplicate it in this generation let alone to surpass it? Yes, it is "easier" than prior years with what some other fighters had to go through. More titles, more divisions, and even a possible watered down era of talent. Let's put it this way: If Pac had to face Paul Williams when Williams had the title at WW, do you think he wins? Instead, Pac fought a Post-Plastered Cotto who lost his belt to Margarito. Pac fought Cotto who picked up some paper title. But the real title was with Margarito...who ended up losing it to Mosley. Or how about if we upped the stakes and made the ocean bigger than this current state, and had a Prime Tommy Hearns in this division. Do you think Pac wins? Now imagine all of those fighters that "could have been" Champions if it weren't for that freak of nature named Tommy Hearns. Or Sugar Ray Robinson and the list goes on. Some eras are easier to conquer than others. In the future, if fewer people box and the art of boxing slowly declines...and/or we add even more divisions and more belts...there might be someone to come along and be 15 division Champ. Each pound up can be a division if we want. And we can add in height divisions too if you like.

Flomo?? WTF is that? A plumming tool? More steroids for Pacman? lol! Did you ever heard the name Floyd Mayweather Jr? That is what he did when he was a p4p #1. Did you know that Pac is 7 divisions champion? If your not idiot enough you will know that to be a 7 divisions champion you will not fighting the same size flyweight guy at super bantamweight, featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight and welterweight? You flomos can't get enough and will not stop until Pac loses so that finally you can say. I told you this midget is overrated! Now come on here, if you can't take the heat, stay away from the kitchen. I'm not either a Pacman nor a Mayweather fan. I don't have all those attachments so my oppinions are in this case very neutral. You are a Pacman fan and can't make an unbias desicion in this case. Don't take opposing points so personal unless Pacman pays your bills. Don't insult opposing threads with insults if you have a good rebuttal because it makes it look like you Don't have one and have to result to name calling because you don't have anything to respond with. I'm new here and less not start on the wrong foot. I used to like Pacman when He was human, but He got on my nerves with all his premadona BS, catchweights and advantage search that reminded me of Oscar and his big head. Sorry if I touched a never buddy, but I'm not here to make everybody happy. I just want to talk boxing OK. peace Pacmanfan.

Benny unless you want the pac nation's wrath don't tell them the truth. Don't mention that the IBC, WBO, IBA, weren't around then and that there wer fewer divisions. Hell, the IBF wasn't around until 1980's. lol! so to be a 7 weight divisions champ is easy to achieve now because of this? Now will you tell me please beside Pac who did it before or you think somebody will able to duplicate it in this generation let alone to surpass it?

Pac 3 fights at welterweight he weighed in between 142-144. Fight night he normally weighed in between 147-148. So think Williams will do the same? Go and do the math. Don't compare the lower weight classes to the heavyweight otherwise Williams should go there as he is taller than some of them. He needs to do is eat and eat as he has the body frame to be there. So the same as Floyd pre-retirement. And remember, had Pac fought at what he weighed in on fight-night as the years went on, we could have talked about a Pac vs. Floyd fight years before we started. Pac blew up in weight when he fought in the lower weight divisions. What about Sam Langford? Barbados Joe Walcott and others as well. And yes, you are right. You can't compare a "Man's" division like the HWs to the boys division. Those guys up there don't give a shit about Height and Weight. That's why, overall, they are the best. Current best fighter is the HW Champ. The rest below it have to use "P4P" by their names.

I fixed for you.:D I'm personally opposed to catchweights in title fights. A champion should never have to defend his title less than the maximum weight. Manny's WBO ww title was won at 145.If you are hitting floyd for the JMM fight, by all means do so. But that wasn't a title fight.

Benny unless you want the pac nation's wrath don't tell them the truth. Don't mention that the IBC, WBO, IBA, weren't around then and that there wer fewer divisions. Hell, the IBF wasn't around until 1980's. Oh no you guys said the unmentionable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The legion of doom will now come for your souls.

Manny Pacquiao the first and only man in boxing history who has 7 divisions titles! 4 lineal titles! pro boxer at the age of 16 from 106 up to 147! 3 times fighter of the year and fighter of the decade! active boxer Congressman! and counting! Floyd Mayweather Jr 5 titles in 5 weight classes, 4 lineal No catchweight title fights = catchweight is a catchweight no matter how you spin it. More so if you cheated the old man on the scale in a supposed catchweight. #1 p4p until he retired 2 time fighter of the year Top Draw in Boxing right now I fixed for you.:D

7 division Champ isn't quite what it seems. We live in an era that has more belts and more divisions than prior years. And remember, fighters like Sam Langford weren't allowed to fight for what regard as "Titles." Imagine what he would have won or the many that came before this generation of fighters. And, remember, since there are more belts you can pick and chose who you like to fight just like Pac has done. But yes, Pac is a Great Champion anyway. Even with Floyd and the lineal titles, he may have won the lineal title at 147 (for example) but he did not fight the best in the division. That has to be looked at as well. Benny unless you want the pac nation's wrath don't tell them the truth. Don't mention that the IBC, WBO, IBA, weren't around then and that there wer fewer divisions. Hell, the IBF wasn't around until 1980's.