so should sign to fight Pac, and if he were to beat Pac, would make up for all those fights he wont get credit for winning. Pac would not only be his best win ever but only worthy win of late.
Hatton was at147 with home advantage and a talk with the ref about hattons dirty tactics before the fight. So the ref missed PBFs elbows.
JMM was two divisions above his natural weight. And well SSM was old man.
uhhh because Hatton was a 140lb fighter, fighting away from home in Floyd's back yard with a crooked yank ref.
Floyd deserves and gets no credit for any of those three wins, the young hungry Floyd was the one who took risks and didn't have the cards all stacked in his favour. The older, spoilt loud-mouth Mayweather deserves nothing but a kick up the ass for being a coward.
lol ok Larry.
Anyway, my view is that the young PBF was a great technical fighter who took risks and fought fair and is worthy of credit, the older 'Money' Mayweather who avoided nearly all risks and did everything in his power to protect the eg0 before he entered the ring, deserves little.
Yes i agree PBF deserves credit for his earlier career. THats how he made a name for himself. But once he made the name, that is when he wanted less risks.
He dont think he has to do anything to keep his name out there. He can make it easier for himself if he likes (by asking small fighters to step up with home advantage and words with bias refs) but dont shouldnt insult people intelligence by expecting people not to see through it.
mosley didnt gas..floyd just stepped his game up..nazzim even said it.."shanes gonna pop floyd in the mouth and floyds gonna grow a tail and turn into a dragon and start spitting fireballs"..and thats what happened
lol ok Larry.
Anyway, my view is that the young PBF was a great technical fighter who took risks and fought fair and is worthy of credit, the older 'Money' Mayweather who avoided nearly all risks and did everything in his power to protect the eg0 before he entered the ring, deserves little.
floyd wasnt almost ko'd..almost knocked down yes...and shane was the top ww wba champ,#3 p4p..how the hell can he not get credit??
I know you don't like to hear it but if Shane didn't gas at the end of the 2nd Mayweather was getting KO'd, he was in deep trouble and was fortunate Mosley's old body had nothing left to give in the 3rd. Now, a question, do you think a younger version of Mosley would've gassed at the end of R.2? if not, then you'd have to say Mayweather was lucky to have fought a very post-prime Mosley.
so hatton gets no credit for any of his wins in england then right??since those fighters were fighting away from home with a crooked ref that allowed hatton to wrestle all damn night..and by your logic if floyd gets no credit for the shane fight..hatton getsno credit for his best with the tzu fight
we're discussing Floyd, no?
Ignoring Hatton for a second, how can you give credit to Floyd for beating Shane when the 38 (39?) version almost KO'd him inside 2? and don't get me started on JMM.
Castillo, Judah, Corley, Corrales, De La Hoya etc these are the wins Floyd deserves credit for, after the De La Hoya fight he became risk-averse and started loading the dice in his favour outside the ring to minimise the threat he faced inside it.
how can you not get credit for beating hatton who was undefeated a former belt holder at 147 and top 5 p4p...and shane #3 p4p top ww and wba title holder...get the fukk outta here
uhhh because Hatton was a 140lb fighter, fighting away from home in Floyd's back yard with a crooked yank ref.
Floyd deserves and gets no credit for any of those three wins, the young hungry Floyd was the one who took risks and didn't have the cards all stacked in his favour. The older, spoilt loud-mouth Mayweather deserves nothing but a kick up the ass for being a coward.
hatton was a decent win at best, would have been a good win had he fought him at his natural weight
jmm was a joke
mosley was coming off a near 2 year lay off and 39. joke of a match up, but i suppose flomos need something to hang on to
If he won't get credit for JMM and SSM, on what basis was Floyd voted ESPN Fighter of the Year? (fan voting)
On what basis was he voted Yahoo! Sports #1 p4p and Ring Magazine #2 p4p? (media voting)
Sounds like both the media and fans respected those wins.
It shows PBF has more fans than people believe. He has gotten credit for beating Hatton. But it is easy for his critics to discredit PBF for those wins, because he gave ammunition for it.
But he wont get more credit for beating Hatton than Pac did.
He will get credit for beating Pac make no mistake about that, even though he didnt for hatton and JMM wins. It is not a lose lose situation considering the pandemonium in trying to arrange this fight. But if he does beat Pac, then maybe stepping up is only option left to him.
IF, and its a big IF, he beats Pac, you could say all would be forgiven as regards his Hatton and JMM performances and they would be put into perspective.
If he beat Pac very well, his critics would say, even if PBF didnt have home advantage and it was at 140 he would still have beaten Hatton. But at this minute not everyone is entirely convinced of it.
I've heard that before. In the end, doesn't really matter to me. I hold his win over Oscar as a great win, his win over Mosley and Hatton as good wins. It's no coincidence that before Mosley stepped in the ring with Mayweather he had destroyed Margarito, then looked average against Mayweather. It's no coincidence that Oscar destroyed Mayorga, then looked good (actually) but was still handily beaten by Mayweather. This goes to show that Mayweather is at a different skill level. Also his win over Hatton was a good win, Hatton gave a good account of himself against Collazo who most had beating the current WBC champ, Berto.
At the end of the day, Mayweather has a solid WW resume. Of course it could have been much better, but it's solid nontheless.
I excuse the JMM win because he was out of his depth moving up. Hatton & SSM are good wins, i cant take that away from him. Floyd is a legit fighter without any question, if you say otherwise you are a biased fanboy. SSM is a very good win.
Floyd will never get the credit he deserves because his gift is a curse. He is a genius when he steps inside that squared circle. You can hate him for a lot of things but his boxing ability is not one of them. So when he beats Pac then the boxing writers and fans will discredit that win then suggest that he fight someone bigger. It is a lose lose situation for him. It's a damn if u do damn if u don't type of thing.
He will get credit for beating Pac make no mistake about that, even though he didnt for hatton and JMM wins. It is not a lose lose situation considering the pandemonium in trying to arrange this fight. But if he does beat Pac, then maybe stepping up is only option left to him.
IF, and its a big IF, he beats Pac, you could say all would be forgiven as regards his Hatton and JMM performances and they would be put into perspective.
If he beat Pac very well, his critics would have to admit and concede and say, even if PBF didnt have home advantage and it was at 140 he would still have beaten Hatton. But at this minute not everyone is entirely convinced of it.
Pac beating Hatton much more efficiently than PBF counts against PBF big time. But again, if PBF were to beat Pac, Pacs more impressive win over Hatton wouldnt count against PBF so much.
Theres so much to gain from beating Pac is what im saying. Actually there is more for PBF to gain than Pac to gain.
Floyd will never get the credit he deserves because his gift is a curse. He is a genius when he steps inside that squared circle. You can hate him for a lot of things but his boxing ability is not one of them. So when he beats Pac then the boxing writers and fans will discredit that win then suggest that he fight someone bigger. It is a lose lose situation for him. It's a damn if u do damn if u don't type of thing.
Your talking out of your ass, hatton that fought mayweather was twice that fought pac. JMM is just another W on the record ill give you that. But SSM was the guy that destroyed margarito. The same marg that everyone goes on abut mayweather ducking him. SSM was and is a very good win, Hatton was good two weight undefeated champ but marquez is nothing.
Right because the Hatton that fought Mayweather wouldn't have gotten his wig split by Pacquiao because that Hatton fought completely different. Jesus fukking christ you guys are awesome.
But PBFs critics belittle PBF for fighting Hatton at 147 with home advantage and talk with the ref before the fight.
IF PBF cares and dont want to be criticized he wont go far wrong by fighting and beating Pac. It will go a long way to shutting his critics up that wont give him credit for the wins he made easier for himself.
so should sign to fight Pac, and if he were to beat Pac, would make up for all those fights he wont get credit for winning. Pac would not only be his best win ever but only worthy win of late.
Hatton was at147 with home advantage and a talk with the ref about hattons dirty tactics before the fight. So the ref missed PBFs elbows.
JMM was two divisions above his natural weight. And well SSM was old man.
Your talking out of your ass, hatton that fought mayweather was twice that fought pac. JMM is just another W on the record ill give you that. But SSM was the guy that destroyed margarito. The same marg that everyone goes on abut mayweather ducking him. SSM was and is a very good win, Hatton was good two weight undefeated champ but marquez is nothing.
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