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I agree Martinez better than Tony you act surprised at Arum wanting it all Top Rank I'm not surprised Arum wants it in-house just like I'm not surprised Pac-diots are pretending it's a good move.

Martinez is willing to come down to 154. He's a better option than Margarito. I agree Martinez better than Tony you act surprised at Arum wanting it all Top Rank

interesting point. I havent seen margarito's strength since he was unable to use plaster for mosley and after his long BAN.. i guess him not using plaster of paris anymore helps. 'Rito has much to prove before he is considered for a title shot. If he fails miserably against top competition in his next outing, folks will realize he ain't the same fighter anymore.

nothing wrong with Pac-Martinez, I'd watch that fight too but Martinez dropped his JMW strap to defend at 160 and Pac isn't big enough to run over Tony like people keep saying Tony will make Pac work, and won't stand there staring like Clottey Martinez is willing to come down to 154. He's a better option than Margarito.

Why is Tony a fine option two as opposed to Sergio Martinez? And how do you knwo he can give Pac a fight? funny how they can fight tony at 154 for a vacant title to make "history" but want miguel cotto at a catch weight and wanted shane mosley at 143 lbs, but when he agreed they didnt even fight him.

Why is Tony a fine option two as opposed to Sergio Martinez? And how do you knwo he can give Pac a fight? nothing wrong with Pac-Martinez, I'd watch that fight too but Martinez dropped his JMW strap to defend at 160 and Pac isn't big enough to run over Tony like people keep saying Tony will make Pac work, and won't stand there staring like Clottey

they don't care about skills they just care about excitement and they now even tho margarito aint shit he will make an exciting fight because both him and manny are easy to hit Manny Pacquiao could be fighting Elmo and they'd be hyping it up. Or trying to. Again, Pac fans will eat it up. Hardcore cans will be split. Casual fans will find better things to do.

u want to know why they said all that? because they were thinking that by saying that it would scare floyd and he will avoided the fight. but when floyd said ok they accepted random OSDT let's fight, that's when they started comin up with all the excuses. pac is accustomed to bully his opponents in the negotiations. he wanted 8 oz. reyes gloves he got it, he wanted x# ring size he got it, he wanted a $10 Mil penalty if floyd came overweight he got it. but when floyd asked for OSDT he started moaning and crying. and by the way i'm not a floyd fan i just agree with him 100% that we need better testing in the sport of boxing simple as that. no matter if u love him or hate him u know he is correct. Believe me, you're not the only one who has observed this. You're in good company. Just about everyone can see through the veil. Thanks for chiming in.

interesting point. I havent seen margarito's strength, i guess him not using plaster of paris anymore helps. I keep saying it and I'll say it again. I'd like to think Margarito was just trying to get some rounds in against Garcia. But the fighter I saw doesn't have it anymore.

Why is Tony a fine option two as opposed to Sergio Martinez? And how do you knwo he can give Pac a fight? they don't care about skills they just care about excitement and they now even tho margarito aint shit he will make an exciting fight because both him and manny are easy to hit

So in other words, Margarito's "strength" hasn't been impressive since he KO'ed Cotto. I agree. interesting point. I havent seen margarito's strength since he was unable to use plaster for mosley and after his long BAN.. i guess him not using plaster of paris anymore helps.

Tony got whooped by Shane didn't need help looking bad in his last fight his opponent had nothing to do with it nobody saying Tony is great but he can give Pac a fight and it will be more exciting than Pac-Floyd sucks the big fight not happening but Pac-Tony works just fine as option 2 Why is Tony a fine option two as opposed to Sergio Martinez? And how do you knwo he can give Pac a fight?

Basically. In other words, the last good fighter he fought knocked him the fukk out and the next guy (a mediocre guy) made him look mediocre too. Hmm. Tony got whooped by Shane didn't need help looking bad in his last fight his opponent had nothing to do with it nobody saying Tony is great but he can give Pac a fight and it will be more exciting than Pac-Floyd sucks the big fight not happening but Pac-Tony works just fine as option 2

impressive enough to actually beat a good fighter, you're right i doubt it.his fight with clottey could of went either way he lost to shane he lost to williams in a close fight that williams clearly won and he beat miguel in a fight which now people think he cheatd in.so what good fighters did he beat before he was thought to be washed up?

impressive enough to actually beat a good fighter, you're right Basically. In other words, the last good fighter he fought knocked him the fukk out and the next guy (a mediocre guy) made him look mediocre too. Hmm.

So in other words, Margarito's "strength" hasn't been impressive since he KO'ed Cotto. I agree. impressive enough to actually beat a good fighter, you're right

Freddie Roach, told ESPN.com that their side had no problem with Olympic style testing. “I have no problem with the testing whatsoever,” Roach said then. “They can do whatever kind of drug testing they want. They’re scared of Manny and scared of his power. He’ll pass any test in the world.” How soon we forget. u want to know why they said all that? because they were thinking that by saying that it would scare floyd and he will avoided the fight. but when floyd said ok they accepted random OSDT let's fight, that's when they started comin up with all the excuses. pac is accustomed to bully his opponents in the negotiations. he wanted 8 oz. reyes gloves he got it, he wanted x# ring size he got it, he wanted a $10 Mil penalty if floyd came overweight he got it. but when floyd asked for OSDT he started moaning and crying. and by the way i'm not a floyd fan i just agree with him 100% that we need better testing in the sport of boxing simple as that. no matter if u love him or hate him u know he is correct.

he lost each round but wouldn't quit, even when his corner wanted to took a ton of shots without getting hurt until the 8th handled punishment many guys fold under even getting his ass kicked Tony showed he's strong he just wasn't good enough to win what are u talkin about?in ever fight someon is losin but they don't quit but yet u give tony credit for not quitting in a fight that he was losin.shane didn't hit tony with that manny big shots early in the fight most of the power shots happened towards the end of the fight and the 1st kd happened towards the end of the 8th and tony looked really hurt and scared after that kd.

it was his last relevant fight, you know what I meant his last fight was a tuneup after a long layoff entitled to look subpar in that one So in other words, Margarito's "strength" hasn't been impressive since he KO'ed Cotto. I agree.

That wasn't his last fight. Try and keep up. But I'm glad his ability to lose every round and end up in some poor sap's lap impressed you. it was his last relevant fight, you know what I meant his last fight was a tuneup after a long layoff entitled to look subpar in that one