Mayweather-Pacquiao under "Fair Terms"

Much respect. Your points are very fair and rational. Yeah, I'm really anti Bob because I think he and not manny is avoiding the fight. Bob is a cocsvcker but he knows the business and used to promote floyd. He wouldn't of promoted him if he wasn't really good. Bob saw what happened with Pavlik and can't afford to risk his best draw against anyone but a top rank guy. BuI don't think pac is on roids. I am highly suspicious with all his camps flip flopping excuses. Everyone is suspicious except the Pac-diots. I'm agreeable to seven days--no more. And no limit on the amount of tests taken. The combination of a cutoff and a limit on tests is what really destroys the point of OST. If Floyd can get full testing, he better be agreeable to 50/50.

Again, solid points. All in all the negotiations are really between Arum and Mayweather w/ GBP of course. Arum doesn't care if Cotto or Margarito get severely beat down as long as they get severely beat down by one of Bob's fighters. Arum would make alot more with 2 in house fights than he would with Mayweather. That's why he's being so stubborn. Arum has too much leverage right now. Not only that but Cotto and Marg should be two easy wins for Pac. So not only does he get 2 fat paydays, Pacquiao keeps his value and Arum can get a 3rd big payday. As opposed to a Mayweather fight where Arum would make 1 big payday (again not as much as two in house PPV's because of the money split with Mayweather and GBP), but there's a big chance that Pacquiao loses. Once Pac loses (which myself and the betting public thinks is the case) Pacquiao will lose alot of his drawing power. There was a thread by this poster named Queloque. He made this great thread explaining how he thought Bob Arum was trying to sabotage negotiatios with Mayweather so he can put on his two in house PPVs. I think the thread got deleted because I can't find it. But he broke everything down. Damn mods! lol :grumble: Another thing is maybe Mayweather is demanding 60/40 and full testing so that team Pac will pick one of the two. I'm sure Mayweather will fight a roided up Pac (in Mayweather's mind of course) for a 60/40 split or a clean Pac for a 50/50 split. Eitherway Mayweather kinda gets his way. Again, not saying you're wrong these are just my opinions. Much respect. Your points are very fair and rational. Yeah, I'm really anti Bob because I think he and not manny is avoiding the fight. Bob is a cocsvcker but he knows the business and used to promote floyd. He wouldn't of promoted him if he wasn't really good. Bob saw what happened with Pavlik and can't afford to risk his best draw against anyone but a top rank guy. BuI don't think pac is on roids. I am highly suspicious with all his camps flip flopping excuses.

Full testing and 50-50 on the pursue split!:boxing:

I voted 7 day cut-off. F*ck it, cut it right down the middle. Do the same for the purse split: 55-45. Throw in the $50 billion per pound overweight infraction too if Pacquiao still feels he's being slighted. And then make the damn fight.

Fair enough and who knows maybe they can do a 52-48 like Pacquiao did with Hatton. Thing is though while Mayweather might deserve a bigger slice of the pie he initially agreed to 50/50 before the Clottey fight. So if you take out the Clottey fight, you have to go by what he (Mayweather) said which was 50/50. Ehh, The difference is that Pacquiao is doing way better in PPV buys now than Mayweather was pre-ODLH. Also, Mayweather would have a good payday with Martinez and that could have been his leverage. However, Martinez has expressed that he'd like to fight Margarito before Mayweather and will be willing to fight him in Mexico. If Arum can take away Martinez from Mayweather I'm sure he would. I do have to agree here. Especially the bold. Though, what's really giving Pacquiao so much leverage is his options. He could take fights with both Cotto AND Margarito and have two big paydays. I know for sure Arum would rather do this. Arum would make more money from two in-house top rank fights than he would with a Mayweather fight where the purse is 60/40 in Mayweather's favor. But you have to factor in the clottey fight. In January, Manny was right to ask for 50/50 he had more leverage. But when you take into account he had 51k fans in Texas and the live gate was much less than the 16k (not even full house) fans the lerage changed dramatically. And, the clottey fight sucked worse than floyd ssm, which sucked too. But you can't just do pre ODH. Besides, HBO had floyd under a 4 fight $12 mil deal (the infamous slave wages). Manny was on more ppv but floyd was making more money already. Also, once floyd ODH set the ppv record everything before is negated. Mayweather brings much more money than marg right now. Marg fight would have to be in mexico b/c he isn't lisc in US yet. Think he's going to mexico to fight a cheater? Bob should be careful with anymore inhouse stuff. 1.25 mil saw cotto get his ass beat severely. I expect there would be some drop off in ppv sales. Margarito is just not a draw anymore. Business wise , Manny can't afford another 700k ppv.

Historically, Mayweather has had better PPV numbers than Pacquiao. Normally I would say it should be 60/40 for Mayweather. There's two reasons I say it should be 50/50. 1. Mayweather previously agreed to 50/50 and he's basing 60/40 off the fact that his fight with Mosley did better than Pac's with Clottey. Those were his words. 2. It's not like Mayweather can tell Pacquiao to go **** himself and go make that type of money with someone else. It will be the biggest PPV event of all time between 2 guys in their prime who both generate huge PPV numbers. Both guys need eachother to make this deal happen. When I say 'Pricing yourself out' I mean he's asking for too much to avoid the fight. Even if they do 50/50 Mayweather will still make more money than Pacquiao in this fight. Mayweather should get his full testing but in return he should give Pacquiao a 50/50 split. It's only fair. Right now Pac has alot more options than Mayweather. Mayweather might have better PPV numbers, but in this case Pacquiao has more options which gives him enough leverage to ask for 50/50. Good points. Let me retort. Manny didnt have to fight clottey. Not only were floyd's ppv's bigger, his live gates and tv ratings are higher. I've done the numbers in other posts. Take the clottey fight out and floyd is still 55/45 split. Yes they need each other to make history. But manny is to floyd what floyd was to ODH. Floyd can make his usual $20 mil guarantee with Martinez IMO. Manny has yet to be guaranteed more than $13 mil. If floyd makes a 50/50 deal thats just bad business. You would never ask Manny to do that. Since floyd is the bigger draw, respectfully, I think "pricing themself out" applies to Manny and not floyd. Floyd asking for 60/40 is supported by the objective numbers. Manny requesting 50/50 is subjective. Perhaps manny's camp, armed with the same objective facts requested 50/50 knowing floyd wouldn't agree.

I think full testing and a 50/50 split is very fair. If they can't agree on that I blame both camps for not making the fight happen. If you're going to have OST don't half ass it. Also, Pacquiao deserves a 50/50 split. 60/40 demand for Mayweather and not budging is Floyd pricing himself out. Respectfully, an objective measure of the numbers indicates 60/40 for floyd is a much fairer split than 50/50. Also, since floyd makes more per fight than manny, how excatly is floyd "pricing himself out".

I'd say 7 days is fairest at this point, but honestly I don't care. If the fight doesn't happen, both sides deserve equal blame, both sides f***ed up, and both fighters will have a stain on their career. It just doesn't look to me like either fighter is trying that hard to make the compromises needed for this fight to happen.

AGREED... If Floyd wanted the fight he would of looked at the contract and said hold up, I dont want this or sure lets make it happen.. But FLOYD DONT WANT THE FIGHT regardless of a 14, 7, no-cutoff.. How do we know the fight isnt signed already? Maybe theyre waiting to make a big dramatic statement. :dance: :fingersx:

well. if this fight doesn't happen, ALL those motherfukkers better start talking afterwards Yeah thats what im hoping for if the fight doesnt happen. I hope everyone just comes out and states the real reasons for the fight not happening. Though I truly hope the fight gets signed.

14 days is fair enough. Fight fans are still waiting for something, anything from Floyd's camp, besides Arum's pronouncements.

I know the topic has been done to death but I want a general consensus on this board. And I'd like to know what we all think before we hear what happens next. For now, let's stick to the facts. We know that a proposal has been sent to Team Mayweather, possibly with all the terms Floyd wanted, according to Arum. Also, according to Arum, GBP has signed off on the proposal. In February, Mayweather stated that subsequent negotiations would have to include full testing. In May, Pacquiao stated that he would fight under the 14-day cutoff period Mayweather had previously offered. Forget whether Arum has really sent over a testing proposal that both parties have agreed upon...what does NSB believe is a fair? Is it: Full Testing Mayweather has stated he would fight under those circumstances only. May be a bluff, may not. His case was made in May (that's a lot of May's) when he defeated the division's other serious threat, with both parties subject to full testing. The 1.4m PPV buys stamped his claim as the sport's biggest moneymaker. He has been agreeable to all other terms and, with his bargaining position, perhaps deserves to have his wish granted? Or no? Seven Day Cutoff A compromise between their two positions now. Surely, both parties would have no issue with this? If you feel they might, what are they? 14 Day Cutoff While this position is dated, it is one Floyd posed before to Pacquiao. Ok, I'll be honest here...I was looking for a solid reason to write why this option was valid and I couldn't find one. I'm not joking :/. If there is a solid poster on this board who chooses this option, please state why. After that first sentence, I was genuinely stumped. Decision time is Friday. It may come sooner. What sayeth NSB? i want an original ost, the 7/24 365 days test not the useless 2 months test before the fight where the use of steroids/peds isn't as effective to use anymore.

None of this matters because Floyd is not gonna take this fight by Friday. this fight is not happening, and I don't blame Manny for moving on if Floyd doesn't want to fight.

Surely "fair" would be fighting under the same conditions that pretty much everyone in the history of the sport has fought under. Either way, I really couldnt give a fuk about these two anymore.

Not to highjack the thread but... That was hilarious. George Foreman spitting out his patented "No Doubt About It!" at the beginning was funny too :lol1:

Looks like we are going to have another Rjj/Hopkins II moment on our hands, the "60-40" I kick yo ass moment. I hope we don't have to wait years before we see this fight which would have made it irrelevant by then.

i never appreciated Lennox until after he retired i remember the destruction of Razor Ruddock...that was a showtime fight..i was stunned that a guy that went 19 rounds with Tyson got worked in 1 round if there were message boards back then, i would have been the first to say that Tyson ruined him :D He sure did ruin him cuz Tyson beat him the f*ck up in that rematch :lol1:

Not to highjack the thread but...

How in the hell do you know what Floyd said when he seen the contract? Floyd hasnt said anything since day 1. I dont, no one knows.. the contracts probably still sitting at UPS or FedEX waiting or someone for Mayweathers Team to pick up for all we know.. Bottom line is this.. If Floyd wanted the fight, he would of looked at the so called contract that Arum proposed and either countered the proposal or signed the damn thing.. But he hasnt done either...

i still remember Bowe and that assh0le Newman during the presser where they threw the WBC(?) belt in the trash...as a Lennox hater at the time, it was a hard pill to swallow to know that our (US) champ was a chickenshit I loved Lennox. Never was a big fan of Bowe cuz I liked Evander. And I became a fan of Lennox after he flattened Ruddock. It's good he didn't fight Bowe at that time because an in-shape Bowe would've beat him. But the version from 96-98? Lennox would've did him in.