Who's fault if fight does not happen?

None of us know whats really been "agreed" upon, so its unfair to point the finger at anyone, at the end of the day if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen, I want to see the fight but I am not revolving my life around it and I am sick of seeing and debating with people pointing the finger at one person. If it doesn't happen, then we are in the same position as before and to be honest I just think its a clash of two egos.

Can only blame both for being fags about it. Im not buying into the it was Floyds or Mannys fault, they are both at fault.

I blame them both. Like Treason1 (whose Photoshop skills pay the bills), I say there's been too much horsing around.... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4748799925_1e2db76e8f_o.jpg

I blame Flyod too.

YES! KEEP THIS THREAD GOING! 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Fair enough, but dont you want the fight to happen now? For whatever reason Pac decline the first time (election campaign, who knows?), you do realized the OST is "NOT" necessary and was only reason the fight did not happen back in March. it's not necessary? I think it's VERY necessary when there has already been a man PROVEN to have beaten those "standard" tests the commission offers, how can we trust the commissions testing policy when someone already very much publicly beat those tests and was proven to show he had roids in him? when you look at it like that it's VERY necessary.. you gotta remember the "could" is out of the window, you can no longer say to Floyd it can't be beaten because it already has been beaten, so he therefore has all the grounds he needs to make these demands, and then here you got this little guy who does shit no one else has ever done, made it look effortless against a guy who walks around at 180 in Hatton who was the champion there with only 1 loss in like 46 fights. the grounds to speculate are there Pacquiao has just been looking for ANY avenue out instead of in..

honestly i dont giv a fukk anymore. if the fight happens it happen, if it dont it dont

The pressure is on Mayweather since most people think hes the best p4p... he must win ! maybe its the pressure that slow things down or Manny wants to be consider the greatest and his negociating like hes the man to beat. Anyway, both have a lot to lose in that fight + at that level i dont think money is the main objective.

Floyd's fault

A new and original idea for a thread! Wonderful!

What a terrible question. It's impossible to answer since the negotiations is still on-going. :nonono:

floyd then for demanding garbage and floyd now for not agreeing to his own garbage! couldn't have said it better. :)

Everyone, but it is just one of those things that happeans in boxing. It is one of the reason why huge fights are looked at the way they are because when they actually end up happeaning it is very special but often they never come off.

100% Pacquiao and co's fault, matter fact 110% their fault. the solution to all what they say is a run around, the solution to what Mayweather says leads to a fight. Manny Pacquiao has had NO valid argument as to why he doesn't want to take those tests, the first time around he declined and I respected him standing his ground but then he folds to the 1st offer? so why did you not just take it then if you're willing to take it now, they want Floyd to fall into their bullshit but that's not going to happen and what do they do? instead of making sacrifices to get a fight going they fall back and cry foul Fair enough, but dont you want the fight to happen now? For whatever reason Pac decline the first time (election campaign, who knows?), you do realized the OST is "NOT" necessary and was only reason the fight did not happen back in March.

100% Pacquiao and co's fault, matter fact 110% their fault. the solution to all what they say is a run around, the solution to what Mayweather says leads to a fight. Manny Pacquiao has had NO valid argument as to why he doesn't want to take those tests, the first time around he declined and I respected him standing his ground but then he folds to the 1st offer? so why did you not just take it then if you're willing to take it now, they want Floyd to fall into their bullshit but that's not going to happen and what do they do? instead of making sacrifices to get a fight going they fall back and cry foul

You have to say both. Unless you're on the phone when they negotiate or in the conferences you really don't know what's being said or what's being done. So to place any blame in either direction would be reckless.

Both fighters and both teams. They're all acting like a bunch of bitches.

Everyone involved is at fault. Arum is particularly annoying.