Horus Presents: WHY is Team Pacquiao making getting 50% a STICKING POINT!!!

Horus Presents: WHY is Team Pacquiao making getting 50% a STICKING POINT!!! I am pretty sure we have all heard about the currents terms Team Pacquiao wants Mayweather too accept. Which includes, Them demanding 50% of all revenue. In my opinion, we have to now ask The question On what grounds do they believe they are an equal to Mayweather when it comes to financial considerations? And by extension are Team Pacquiao, by asking for 50% effectively not just pricing themselves out of a fight with Floyd Mayweather, but also telling the Public they do not know how to count??? There is no statistical measure that Team Pacquiao can present they can show how they deserve and earned the right to %50 percent of all the revenue against Floyd Mayweather. Which is why I find it crazy how they made it a sticking point that they receive 50% or no fight !!! If they didn’t get 50% against De la Hoya why are they asking for against Mayweather??? Someone told me, “When people are taken out of their depths they lose their heads, no matter how charming a bluff they may put up.” And in this situation, we can clearly see Team Pacquiao is out of their depths. To the point that they are effectively pricing themselves out of the fight, and also presenting a good case to the public that they are operating out of pride and ignorance in negotiations with Team Mayweather. Instead of with facts, reason, and good faith. Below are the statistical facts behind fundamental and deciding factors behind determining what a fighter should received when it comes to the split of the revenue. Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated. This the measures are the only true and fair measures to determine what should fairly get distributed during a purse dispute. As a result, any reasonable person with a decent education can see that Team Pacquiao by both measures of Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated has not earned or deserve the right to make getting 50% of the money a sticking point in order to get the fight. By team Pacquiao making 50% a sticking point, they are effectively letting us boxing fans know, they have no interest in this fight, unless they can receive money by all measures they have no merit to earn or be rewarded with, when they have a possible opponent who has undisputable claim backed by facts that they deserves more financial consideration based on what the facts tell us. QUESTION TO YOU GUYS 1.So I would like to know your ideas as to why is Team Pacquiao making them getting 50% of the revenue a sticking point in order for the fight to happen..??? 2.And Is Team Mayweather Justified in turning down Team Pacquiao demands due to the fact, that they through their body of work have earned the right to earned more money based on the fact they bring in more money. $Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated.$ Floyd Mayweather Guaranteed Purses: Floyd Mayweather $ 22.5 Million vs. Mosley $7 Million Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez JMM $4 Millio Floyd Mayweather $11 Million vs. Ricky Hatton $6 Million Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Oscar De La Hoya $23.3 Million Floyd Mayweather $8 Million vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir $1.6million. Floyd Mayweather $5 Million vs. Zab Judah $1 Million Floyd Mayweather $4 Million vs. Shamba Mitchell 375k Floyd Mayweather $3.2 Million vs. Arturo Gatti $3.5 Million Floyd Mayweather $3 Million vs. De Marcus Corley $150.000 Floyd Mayweather $1.5 Million vs. Diego Corrales $1.25 million Floyd Mayweather $150.000k vs. Genaro Hernandez $600k * Oscar De La Hoya also gave Mayweather a percentage of the PPV revenue. This was the first time De La Hoya ever did this, all his previous opponents got a guaranteed amount; no more, no less, no share of the PPV revenue. Mayweather walked away with between $22 and $30 million, http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2865349 Floyd Mayweather Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights: $ 11 Million Manny Pacquiao Guaranteed Purses: Pacquiao $12 Million vs. Clottey $1.5 Million Pacquiao $7.5 million vs. Miguel Cotto $4 Million Pacquiao $12 million vs. Ricky Hatton $11 Million Pacquiao $6 Million vs. De la Hoya $20 Million Pacquiao $3 million vs. David Diaz 800k Pacquiao $2.5 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 $500 Pacquiao $650.000 vs Juan Manuel Marquez $500k Manny Pacquiao Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights: $ 7.16 Million Mayweather 7 Pay Per View Fights 6.9 Million Buys and $342 Million June 2005 Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti 365k= $16.5 million Apr. 2006 Mayweather vs. Zab Judah 375k = $ $16.8 million Sep 2006 Mayweather vs. Carlos Baldomir 325k = $16.3 Million May 2007 Mayweather vs. De la Hoya 2.44M=$136.6 Million Dec 2007 Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton 920k=$50 Million Sep 2009 Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquz 1.1M=$52 Million May 2010 Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley 1.4M=78.3 Million Pacquiao's 12 pay-per-view fights 6.25 million buys and $320 million June 2008: Pacquiao vs. David Diaz 250k PPV = $12.5 Million Dec 2008: Pacquiao vs. De la Hoya 1.25M PPV= $70 Million May 2009: Pacquaio vs. Ricky Hatton 800k PPV= $43 Million Nov 2009: Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto 1.25 M PPV = $68 Million Mar 2010: Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey 700k PPV= $35 Million other ppv: Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

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so this f*ckin topic still doesn't die? they deserve a 50/50 share because they're the only ones who can make the other earn that much in one fight. Pac doesn't earn anywhere near what he'd earn fighting Floyd with any other opponent. Floyd, exactly the same. He earns nowhere near what he'd earn fighting Manny, with any other opponent. they need each other to make the ridiculous guaranteed purse and PPV + gate figures. so now, PLEASE shut the f*ck up about this topic. PPV #'s, this and that...American, asian, blah blah f*cking blah. How old are you people to be arguing about money you'll never see? seriously.

15y ago

Horus8731

Horus is thick as shit, fancy saying " If they didn’t get 50% against De la Hoya why are they asking for against Mayweather??" Since beating DLH he has beaten Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Clottey, say what you like about Clottey, he beat Judah, he beat Corrales, was beating Baldy before getting DQ'd, was beating Margarito before hurting his hand. What is your point? :feedback: Why didnt Pacquiao as for 50% against DLH? Was is he asking for it against Mayweather?

15y ago

Horus8731

Can somebody explain to my dumbass why everyone keeps on saying Manny's fans are not paying money for his fights over in the Phillipines. That can't be true b/c Freddie Roach said they shut down the government when he fights so I'm thinking they do big numbers in Manilla. Here is a task for you, Prove it. i'll wait.:boxing:

15y ago

Devils_Advocate

@ Pistol. If they do agree to fight, What weightclass will it be at? answer: 147 you bringing up lowerweight class has nothing to do with this discussion. Because if he was really a draw, he would have been making what Prince Naseem was making when he was fighting in the lowerweights. Can somebody explain to my dumbass why everyone keeps on saying Manny's fans are not paying money for his fights over in the Phillipines. That can't be true b/c Freddie Roach said they shut down the government when he fights so I'm thinking they do big numbers in Manilla.

15y ago

Horus8731

15y ago

Horus8731

Exactly horus compare the money each fighter made when they were at 130 Pac's purses were much bigger. Thanks for owning yourself and justifying my point Horus. Floyd made no real money till he hit Welterweight, while pac was already making huge purses before he even hit the division. Also Factor in that Pac's core audience doesn't even buy PPV's in this country which makes your argument even more useless. Pistol So since the audience pacquiao brings in dont even buy PPV. Then Who's Audience is going to buy the PPV if Mayweather and Pacquiao Fight??? You are basically admiting that Pacquiao does not bring in a paying audience! So if that is the case, why is he making getting 50% a sticking point? Also if Pacquaio wants to be treated like a little man he should take a little man cut. He did it with De la hoya.. Why is he changing up with Mayweather? You are basically trying to change the rules for pacquiao. Like I said before, The Past, and the Present are the reality. These are things that can not change. thus, these are things we know. I know alot of Pacquiao fans like to praise and treat him like a god, but even God can not change the past. In other words, One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present. I have given you facts based on the past, and facts that are true in the present. As a result, we have people trying to dismiss the reality of the current situation in favor of the possibility of a possibility that Manny Pacquiao can become what he hasnt became already. The Equal in terms of Finanical Attraction to our sports number # 1 generator. Furthermore, For Team Pacquiao to understand all of these things, and still making getting 50% a sticking point. Is by all measures ridiculous and disingenuous. Facts. 1. Pacquiao does not bring in the same paying audience as Mayweather 2. Pacquiao does not earned the same amount of money. So why is he making getting 50% a sticking point??

15y ago

pistol_whip

1. If you look I compared these last 6 fights. 2. By your logic, why dont Pacquiao accept a lower weight class purse split, and stop making getting 50% a sticking point. 3. Mayweather has only had 41 fights in his career 27 of those fights were at Super Featherweight(130) 4 were at lightweight(135) 3 were at Jr. Weterweight(140) 6 were at Welterweight(147) 1 was at Jr. Middleweight(154) Meaning he spent most of his career at 130! Exactly horus compare the money each fighter made when they were at 130 Pac's purses were much bigger. Thanks for owning yourself and justifying my point Horus. Floyd made no real money till he hit Welterweight, while pac was already making huge purses before he even hit the division. Also Factor in that Pac's core audience doesn't even buy PPV's in this country which makes your argument even more useless.

15y ago

Horus8731

hate allyou want but it wont chane the facts . manny has mutilpe movies out , mayweather has none . manny is a congressman, mayweather is not . manny is a sex symbol mayweather is not. manny is the fighter of the decade mayweather is not . manny is the p4p king right now mayweather is not since manny is all those things and more and mayweather is not , manny deserves the bigger piece of the pie AND YET..... $Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated.$ Floyd Mayweather Guaranteed Purses: Floyd Mayweather $ 22.5 Million vs. Mosley $7 Million Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez JMM $4 Millio Floyd Mayweather $11 Million vs. Ricky Hatton $6 Million Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Oscar De La Hoya $23.3 Million Floyd Mayweather $8 Million vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir $1.6million. Floyd Mayweather $5 Million vs. Zab Judah $1 Million Floyd Mayweather $4 Million vs. Shamba Mitchell 375k Floyd Mayweather $3.2 Million vs. Arturo Gatti $3.5 Million Floyd Mayweather $3 Million vs. De Marcus Corley $150.000 Floyd Mayweather $1.5 Million vs. Diego Corrales $1.25 million Floyd Mayweather $150.000k vs. Genaro Hernandez $600k * Oscar De La Hoya also gave Mayweather a percentage of the PPV revenue. This was the first time De La Hoya ever did this, all his previous opponents got a guaranteed amount; no more, no less, no share of the PPV revenue. Mayweather walked away with between $22 and $30 million, http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2865349 Floyd Mayweather Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights: $ 11 Million Manny Pacquiao Guaranteed Purses: Pacquiao $12 Million vs. Clottey $1.5 Million Pacquiao $7.5 million vs. Miguel Cotto $4 Million Pacquiao $12 million vs. Ricky Hatton $11 Million Pacquiao $6 Million vs. De la Hoya $20 Million Pacquiao $3 million vs. David Diaz 800k Pacquiao $2.5 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 $500 Pacquiao $650.000 vs Juan Manuel Marquez $500k Manny Pacquiao Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights: $ 7.16 Million Mayweather 7 Pay Per View Fights 6.9 Million Buys and $342 Million June 2005 Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti 365k= $16.5 million Apr. 2006 Mayweather vs. Zab Judah 375k = $ $16.8 million Sep 2006 Mayweather vs. Carlos Baldomir 325k = $16.3 Million May 2007 Mayweather vs. De la Hoya 2.44M=$136.6 Million Dec 2007 Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton 920k=$50 Million Sep 2009 Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquz 1.1M=$52 Million May 2010 Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley 1.4M=78.3 Million Pacquiao's 12 pay-per-view fights 6.25 million buys and $320 million June 2008: Pacquiao vs. David Diaz 250k PPV = $12.5 Million Dec 2008: Pacquiao vs. De la Hoya 1.25M PPV= $70 Million May 2009: Pacquaio vs. Ricky Hatton 800k PPV= $43 Million Nov 2009: Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto 1.25 M PPV = $68 Million Mar 2010: Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey 700k PPV= $35 Million other ppv: Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

15y ago

Horus8731

Horus are you really comparing the purses of a fighter who spent most of his career at Feather weight and junior LW to a fighter who is a career Junior welter weight/ Welterweight. You do realize that historically Weltwerweights have made twice the money that featherweights have made per match throughout the entire history of boxing? Why don't you compare both fighter purses when they were fighting in similar divisions like the Featherweight,Junior LW and LW divisions. Bet you Pac did way better! 1. If you look I compared these last 6 fights. 2. By your logic, why dont Pacquiao accept a lower weight class purse split, and stop making getting 50% a sticking point. 3. Mayweather has only had 41 fights in his career 27 of those fights were at Super Featherweight(130) 4 were at lightweight(135) 3 were at Jr. Weterweight(140) 6 were at Welterweight(147) 1 was at Jr. Middleweight(154) Meaning he spent most of his career at 130!

15y ago

pistol_whip

I would just like to point out to you that under the 140 pound limit Floyd only earned 1.65 million in guerenteed purses while Pac earned 4.15 million in guerenteed purses according to your numbers. That money also doesn't include what he made against Morales in their trilogy.

15y ago

pistol_whip

15y ago

Horus8731

1. ask The Batman or Joker... Dark Knight was never gonna get blockbuster unless they were really put together in a single film. 2. yes they do bring in the money... but manny pac will REALLY BRING THE HARD MONEY to both of them. the numbers are history man... you just do not look into the past. you also look into the present and the future. one man claims the past, the other claims the present and the future. so who's the winner? So you are basically saying because Pacquiao will bring Mayweather his most money he should get 50% of the revenue? and not based on what he has generated to this point in the present??? Let me ask you a question. Why do new applicants bring in a resume when they apply for a new job? and why is their salary primarly negotiated based on that resume, in general why is anyone past, a primary source of indication of their present and future. The Past, Present are the reality. These are things that can not change. thus, these are things we know. I know alot of Pacquiao fans like to praise and treat him like a god, but even God can not change the past. In other words, One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present. I have given you gave facts based on the past, and facts that are true in the present. As a result, we have people trying to dismiss the reality of the current situation in favor of the possibility of a possibility that Manny Pacquiao can become what he hasnt became already. The Equal in terms of Finanical Attraction to our sports number # 1 generator. Furthermore, For Team Pacquiao to understand all of these things, and still making getting 50% a sticking point. Is by all measures ridiculous and disingenuous.

15y ago

jpunieves

What is "bring the hard money"? FMJ already brings in "the hard money" without Pac. Look at his last fight. Take any 2 of Pac's fights and what he made still doesn't add up to that much. Huh? The numbers are history?? Pac's last fight would be his present. FMJ last fight would be his as well. How is Pac claiming the present OR future, when he got his PPV doubled by FMJ last fight? You are making no sense. And, isnt Pac retiring soon, so what "future" are u talking about? Who's the winner? Hmm...FMJ of course! who's retiring? hahaha you're kidding me...

15y ago

megadeth

15y ago

IMDAZED

And Mosley had nothing to do with that, Floyd was lucky that Berto dropped out, he didn't even had anyone to fight other than Paulie or Hatton's brother, do you honestly think he would've made the same money with those two. Don't answer that question, i just realized i'm dealing with a Flomo. Mosley-Berto could've been cancelled at any time. It didn't make much sense (for Berto) anyway. Ellerbe kept mentioning Mosley as his second option and Floyd and Andre share the same adviser. Had the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout not materialized, Berto probably would've "suffered an injury in camp" and voila. Mayweather-Mosley.

15y ago

rommel357

Floyd just made $40 million fighting Shane. The guy that Roach said Pac couldn't make any money with. And Mosley had nothing to do with that, Floyd was lucky that Berto dropped out, he didn't even had anyone to fight other than Paulie or Hatton's brother, do you honestly think he would've made the same money with those two. Don't answer that question, i just realized i'm dealing with a Flomo.

15y ago

jpunieves

QUESTION TO YOU GUYS 1.So I would like to know your ideas as to why is Team Pacquiao making them getting 50% of the revenue a sticking point in order for the fight to happen..??? 2.And Is Team Mayweather Justified in turning down Team Pacquiao demands due to the fact, that they through their body of work have earned the right to earned more money based on the fact they bring in more money. 1. ask The Batman or Joker... Dark Knight was never gonna get blockbuster unless they were really put together in a single film. 2. yes they do bring in the money... but manny pac will REALLY BRING THE HARD MONEY to both of them. the numbers are history man... you just do not look into the past. you also look into the present and the future. one man claims the past, the other claims the present and the future. so who's the winner?

15y ago

rommel357

You realize that the i is next to the u on the keyboard...right? Your focus on a typo is an obvious quit on your part. Note how I don't tell your peasant ass that "whatever" is one word. The Philippines is not India. Please. Stop yourself. The fact that you called me a dummy and at the same time can't spell "SIMPLISTIC" makes you look really stupid. But "whatever", good excuse with the typo. BTW, Philippines is not India, not even close, but they are still a third world country, and you insulted a third world country, and i simply gave you an example of a third world country that is successful in the global economy.

15y ago

goldenglove2

When it comes to PPV: Tyson Delahoya Mayweather How does it matter how long? All that matter is that FMJ IS the revenue king right now. WOW, keep reaching. More seats to fill, more money huh? I wonder why that didn't apply with Pac's last fight. FMJ last fight did 1/2-1/3 as many seats and more than doubled Pac's gate. Oops! Again, Pac has fought almost all his fights in Vegas, so its his basically "backyard" too. And do u really think its Pac that wants to fight in Texas or Arum that wants the fight there? Come on now! 50-50 is not fair, otherwise you would be able to come up with some better reasoning than what you are coming up with now. because Dela and Tyson are RETIRED...........PS the Revenue king wont make as much money fighing ANYONE else.....lol.....

15y ago

megadeth

who is every other revenue king?? Dela was doing it FOR YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Floyd just started with his fight with Dela. Get out of here with that gah bage. Pac wants to fight in Texas..more seats to fill means more $$, but no Floyd wants none of that so they will fight in literally Floyds back yard. 50/50 is completely fair...... When it comes to PPV: Tyson Delahoya Mayweather How does it matter how long? All that matter is that FMJ IS the revenue king right now. WOW, keep reaching. More seats to fill, more money huh? I wonder why that didn't apply with Pac's last fight. FMJ last fight did 1/2-1/3 as many seats and more than doubled Pac's gate. Oops! Again, Pac has fought almost all his fights in Vegas, so its his basically "backyard" too. And do u really think its Pac that wants to fight in Texas or Arum that wants the fight there? Come on now! 50-50 is not fair, otherwise you would be able to come up with some better reasoning than what you are coming up with now.

15y ago