Zab Judah is not fit

I agree. Do you know his training reg? I don't know, but another poster on this site has visited the camp in person. You can ask him when he comes back on. This was his post: here are a couple of pics from zab last week training. i could actually see myself a couple of times along with pelenchin in the video. he is a real vocal guy in the gym. he definitely likes the attention. i was there interviewing jeff mayweather and celestino caballero for his website www.celestinocaballero.com. you can read both there if you like. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5654/zabq.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3416/zabg.jpg

Well judging from the video, there is a lot left to be desired. It's much easier to judge his fitness levels than his mental shape. I agree. Do you know his training reg?

Complete utter bollocks I would like to know what his training regime is... anybody know? I think he may not have the mental ability to go on and fight while pressured Its a metal thing - anybody can get into fighting shape Well judging from the video, there is a lot left to be desired. It's much easier to judge his fitness levels than his mental shape.

This is all that really needs to be said, especially the bolded. Be sure... It's his fault. Have you seen Judah as a kid going 12 rounds as if nothing against Micky Ward, even taking the occasional left hook to the liver? That last sentence is all wrong. Either they aren't pushing themselves or the type of training they're doing isn't right for their body. What do you mean?

Zab isn't close to having Pacquiao/Mayweather level conditioning, but I am not sure it is really his fault. Some people will always have mediocre stamina regardless of how much they train. Complete utter bollocks I would like to know what his training regime is... anybody know? I think he may not have the mental ability to go on and fight while pressured Its a metal thing - anybody can get into fighting shape

If you watch the video its clear that he is not pushing himself. He takes a break as soon as he get a little tired or starts to feel the burn. Who works the speed bag like that? But I guess he is surrounded by yes man who are afraid to push him.

To be honest Zab is beyond being taken seriously at this point, if he hasn't learned thus far with so many lessons from previous losses then I really don't know where Zab goes from here. I'm really tired of seeing interviews with him saying this is the "new" Zab Judah or the Zab Judah of old where he was just ripping through opponents. They same old song and dance that only he's singing to. agreed? lost to much $ on him back in the day...:trink26:

Many people may disagree but I honestly think Zab was never that good to begin with.....I don't get this "he had all the talent in the world but...." talk yeah he was athletic but so what? It takes way more than that to make a champion or elite fighter You're dumb.. you just said the exact thing you claim you disagreed with. Are you really that stupid? Everyone is saying it takes more than just the tools to be a great, hence the reason he isn't. Which is why they say " all the talent in the world but.... " DUH.

To be honest Zab is beyond being taken seriously at this point, if he hasn't learned thus far with so many lessons from previous losses then I really don't know where Zab goes from here. I'm really tired of seeing interviews with him saying this is the "new" Zab Judah or the Zab Judah of old where he was just ripping through opponents. They same old song and dance that only he's singing to. This is all that really needs to be said, especially the bolded. Zab isn't close to having Pacquiao/Mayweather level conditioning, but I am not sure it is really his fault. Some people will always have mediocre stamina regardless of how much they train. Be sure... It's his fault. Have you seen Judah as a kid going 12 rounds as if nothing against Micky Ward, even taking the occasional left hook to the liver? That last sentence is all wrong. Either they aren't pushing themselves or the type of training they're doing isn't right for their body.

here are a couple of pics from zab last week training. i could actually see myself a couple of times along with pelenchin in the video. he is a real vocal guy in the gym. he definitely likes the attention. i was there interviewing jeff mayweather and celestino caballero for his website www.celestinocaballero.com. you can read both there if you like. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5654/zabq.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3416/zabg.jpg Thanks for the pics. Nice first hand insight from the camp as well.

here are a couple of pics from zab last week training. i could actually see myself a couple of times along with pelenchin in the video. he is a real vocal guy in the gym. he definitely likes the attention. i was there interviewing jeff mayweather and celestino caballero for his website www.celestinocaballero.com. you can read both there if you like. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5654/zabq.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3416/zabg.jpg Thanks for the pics. Nice first hand insight from the camp as well.

here are a couple of pics from zab last week training. i could actually see myself a couple of times along with pelenchin in the video. he is a real vocal guy in the gym. he definitely likes the attention. i was there interviewing jeff mayweather and celestino caballero for his website www.celestinocaballero.com. you can read both there if you like. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5654/zabq.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3416/zabg.jpg Thanks for the pics. Nice first hand insight from the camp as well.

I don;t know if he struggled with the ab work or if he just didn't have proper support from the guy holding his foot in a half ass manner. Either way I hope Zab can make a splash at 140lbs. tRUTH BE TOLD, I didnt even see anyone holding his foot, maybe I am tripping but it looked like some 25-30 lb cap dumbells were holding his feet. which actually would be tougher than having someone hold your feet. I think he knows what time it is now, and will go hard. He probably didnt go hard because his father is laxed, and is always throwing punches and talking about combos, and even the sparring he does with his son is lazy. he needs sparring partners, not his daddy with mitts on. HE HAS TO GO HARD, IF HE EVER GETS THE STAMINA OF SAY FLOYD OR EVEN PAC, HE WILL BE A FORCE.

I agree to what most people wrote in this thread but rememeber, this is an open workout. You can't use an open workout clip to judge anything. And the ab-workout is not something Team Mayweather have patent on. Although it doesn't look as fluid as Mayweather's you can't really judge Zab's conditioning on this because you really don't know how many repetitions he has done.

Zab sucks, fuck him Wasted talent and potential if you ask me...........

Zab sucks, fuck him

I don't know if him not having a more defined six pac has much to do with it. People's bodies are different. That's not the point though. He's fooling himself.

Zab isn't close to having Pacquiao/Mayweather level conditioning, but I am not sure it is really his fault. Some people will always have mediocre stamina regardless of how much they train. I'm not sure if it's genetics more than work ethic. If you watch the documentary Assault in the Ring, Panama Lewis(He helped Zab Judah for his fight against Miguel Cotto) makes a comment during a telephone call that Zab Judah is in "dog shape". One of the biggest fights in his career and he wasn't even in shape, :banghead:

I don't know if him not having a more defined six pac has much to do with it. People's bodies are different.

Yeah, I watched that one when it debuted. Nice observation, BTW. That and Naz's level of dedication to the work stuck out...his timing and overall form looked as off come fight-night as it did in those sparring-sessions, which says he can't have been working too hard on improving and putting things together throughout the camp. I think another parallel you can draw between Zab and Naz that links it up is the 'boy in the bubble' syndrome. That crept up on Naz and put what turned out to be irreparable damage on his career...as soon as it eventually showed against elite opposition in the form of an 'L' on his record, he was pretty much done. With Judah it seemed to set in even earlier, with all the fanfare he received and the promise of future Glory he probably felt destined for, and he was found out much earlier against an elite guy...or course, he was neither ready nor in a position to retire like Naz with a career, a fortune and a Legacy already established, and what happened against Tszyu seemed to set a tone of instability and underachievement for the rest of his career (although things came together on his best night against Spinks, which you have to give him credit for). As for Zab being mentally unbalanced, one thing I would say is that his father's presence in the corner doesn't help with that at all. As well-intentioned as he and his methods may be, all Yoel does is shout at Zab, and not much of it is practical or strategic. Look at the Judah corners between rounds in some of his fights - the more rounds pass, the more he seems to lose interest and fail to absorb whatever's being barked at him and his gaze and concentration seem to drift into space and a state of bewilderment or wonder at his surroundings...then he gets up off his stool and just survives out there on whatever instincts he has. Maybe it's that Zab is just an impenetrable fool...but I would have loved to have seen him with a different, calmer and more tactically minded corner for a series of fights, just to see how that would've worked out. I was actually thinking of Zab's origins as something of a Whitaker heir in his amateur days when I was replying to -D33Pwaters-' "Floyd wannabe" comment. As a young guy he was sparring the veteran Pete and actually hanging with him. Excellent post. Green K :fing02: