Not a normal thing, but I thought people should give these two posts a read.
I think it's fairly un-biased reasoning on behalf of the comments that Arum has made in relation to:
"The balls in Floyd court"
well that's what Arum is saying
Schaeffer on the hand said no comment and Leonard could not be reached
so while Bob is saying all these things are in Floyd's court...
put all biases aside
knowing full well Arum's track record (I was lying yesterday today....)
could you possibly see this as more propaganda from Bob?
let's retrace this a bit remember it was Bob who said all negotiations will be done without the media's involvement yet short of a small quip from Oscar, it's been Bob who has been talking about the negotiations.
maybe he realizes the offer is what it is and in an effort to try and look like the ones who made it happen he does exactly what he just did?
remember Top Rank was made to a look a fool the last time this went on. Not Floyd not Manny and not Golden Boy.
while I hope this fight is indeed an approval from Floyd away from going down I am waiting on Schaeffer Floyd or Ellerbee before I put in my request for credential
but timeline this a bit
hasn't Top Rank's side been saying of late either Floyd needs to accept or we move on because Nov is going to approach and they need to get this signed so they can do the press tour etc etc?
now all of a sudden Top Rank now says all sides accept?
basically they went from sounding like this fight wasn't happening to now all parties agreeing and it being up to Floyd.
doesn't mesh to me.
listen I hope I am wrong but to me this screams of Arum trying to win this in the media because he knows Mayweather won't accept the terms that he is being presented
and I disagree with BPP's assessment of the situation as being the only answer.
while yes you can make a case where all sides are in agreement to the principles outlined and it being up to Floyd to sign off on
however, you can also see a scenario where Bob advised Mayweather's side that this is the final offer from Manny's side and they should take it to Mayweather even if they think it won't be approved by him. Since Bob "presented" this offer to Mayweather's side he can say now "hey the ball is in their court we gave them our offer to take to Floyd its up to him" which is essentially what he is saying
and while he states that the issues have been resolved he isn't clear as to which issues. I mean could it not be that maybe HE wants Manny to fight one of his in house fighters first then go into May to fight Mayweather? I mean he is constantly mentioning the aspect of fighting Cotto or Margarito seemingly more than the prospect of fighting Floyd in November or am I mistaken
again I hope this fight happens in Nov but his words are interestingly pieced together to where you can speculate a bit
in all honesty I hope I am reading too much into it but knowing Bob I doubt it
Your thoughts?
As un-biased as possible.
No flaming.
Reed - 1st off...excellent MOD work....
Regarding the posts....
I'm pretty much 50/50 on whatever Bob says regarding Manny....those posts were a great way of looking at the "bigger" picture. Arum's track record verifies what Earner touched on. Made me think twice about my feelings on who is holding up the fight....
If the ball is truly in Mayweather's court.....why all the secrecy regarding the most important items that held it up the 1st time around....
BOTH parties are acting like a bunch of DIVAS...and just need to get the fight done....
Respect!
It should be 50/50. It is not always about PPV numbers. It is also about who needs who more.
When Hagler fought Leonard, who got the biggest purse? Why did they get it?
That so little has come out regarding the fight negs compared with the anarchic, amateurish debacle in December gives me great hope this fight will be made. When you consider talks began soon after Mayweather-Mosley - nearly two months ago - obviously both sides are serious about making this fight happen in November. This is the top of the food chain for boxing and professional sport. Every body gets rich and richer by having Manny and Floyd fight, and not just by one or two per cent.
If negotiations are complete, the omerta can be lifted and interested parties can have their say. I'm one who'd prefer it if Bob Arum didn't go around giving Mayweather deadlines, and playing his schoolboy wedge tactics with the Margarito/Cotto back-up plans, but Arum has been in this game for 40 years or so, hob-nobbed with the greatest fighters, toughest nuts and loosest cannons of all time, and isn't about to change his ways for the punk, Mayweather.
If Mayweather's negotiating team have left the table with something they're happy to send to Floyd Mayweather Jnr, it suggests they got what they asked for. Arum said there is no reason for the fight not to happen, unless Floyd doesn't want to fight this year. To me it sounds like the old man's saying the fight happening this year rests of the whim and beckon of Floyd, and if it doesn't, well the terms and conditions are in place for it to happen next year.
It is in Flyods, all offers are in Flyods hands if the fight doesnt happen, Flyod is indeed scared of a little Asian one dimensional boxer. LOL:bottle:
exactly true
Not a normal thing, but I thought people should give these two posts a read.
I think it's fairly un-biased reasoning on behalf of the comments that Arum has made in relation to:
"The balls in Floyd court"
Your thoughts?
As un-biased as possible.
No flaming.
very logical and well thought out. I think Shaefer also said something like no comment in being consistent on this.
so you would accept GBP's word as fact? very interesting...
It's an imaginary scenario, NATAS - breathe. If you saw me jump on here and bounce up and down after one release then yeah, I'd be a d*ckrider. I don't get down like that. Not that I have to. Arum has had no issues breaking his own gag order yet refused to divulge what exactly he meant when he said terms had been agreed upon. Why is that? If my imaginary scenario were to occur, I'd simply wait for Arum to confirm that he was indeed full of sh*t, as he did the first go around.
It is in Flyods, all offers are in Flyods hands if the fight doesnt happen, Flyod is indeed scared of a little Asian one dimensional boxer. LOL:bottle:
**anticipates statement from GBP/Mayweather Promotions**
**listens as they explain that Arum's final offer was a 50/50 split that included a 13 day cutoff**
**closes laptop in disgust and hops back on the bed for round two with Halle**
:lol1: :lol1:
Halle huh
Think positive!!!
**anticipates statement from GBP/Mayweather Promotions**
**listens as they explain that Arum's final offer was a 50/50 split that included a 13 day cutoff**
**closes laptop in disgust and hops back on the bed for round two with Halle**
I think I know what happens next, G. And it ain't pretty.
I already know but I am not stressing Floyd or this situation. I do hope the fight gets made though because there is money to be made.
It is kind of wierd that Floyd would have people negoiating for him if A) he didn't want to fight and B) they have no clue what he will accept.
I can understand Floyd not being in the room but he should be well informed atleast through Ellerbe, so it really doesn't make to much sence.
I also don't understand how there is an agreement on everything unless Floyd actually agrees with what is going on.
I think I know what happens next, G. And it ain't pretty.
I don't who has "agreed" upon these issues. The whole thing seems out of wack.
It is kind of wierd that Floyd would have people negoiating for him if A) he didn't want to fight and B) they have no clue what he will accept.
I can understand Floyd not being in the room but he should be well informed atleast through Ellerbe, so it really doesn't make to much sence.
I also don't understand how there is an agreement on everything unless Floyd actually agrees with what is going on.
His other favorite pasttime lately is shit ty undercards.
His other favorite pasttime lately is telling boxing fans to fuk off.
His other favorite pasttime lately is putting on shi te cards in stadiums.
His other favorite pasttime lately is shelving mouthwatering boxing matchups that all fans want to see, because they need to marinate.
That is his job not his pasttime~.
Floyd has had nothing to do with him business wise for years, yet Arum is always quick to drop Floyd's name when saying something bad about him (or atleast that is how he has been for years). Now he has done this to also benefit his fighters but still that is a side benefit (although a good one).
Arum is a greedy bitter old man who is very smart, he is very easy to read if you know what positions benefit his interests (being greedy or bitter) but he is smart enough to make his stances seem more reasoned for the uninformed.
Oscar and Arum have both said the major issues have been agreed upon...
Now we all know either/or can be full of shit... but when both sides have said it... I wonder if it's true...
I don't who has "agreed" upon these issues. The whole thing seems out of wack.