There is NOTHING wrong with Floyd facing Martinez at a catch weight.

I hope this fight happens.

There is ALOT wrong with it Burner.

The bottom line is if you challenge a fighter for the championship it should be fought at the limit. Regardless of how many weight classes you're moving up. If the opponents too big, don't make the fight. That would be the same as Roy Jones jr asking for a catchweight against Ruiz because he moved up two divisions. The middleweight division limit is 160.Not 155,56,57. If it's a non title fight that's different. But a champion shouldn't have to defend his belt giving his opponent unfair advantages. Yeah I see your point. I agree. If its for a title then it should be at the weight limit.

I don't know about that. If you're moving up one weight class, then that's one thing. But if you're moving up more than one, then it should be at a catchweight otherwise you're at a huge disadvantage and its an unfair fight. I think Leonard did that before (made the fight at the SMW limit for the LHW title) when moving up from 160. I didn't see anything wrong with the Pacquiao-DLH meeting point either, since he moved up two weight classes. The bottom line is if you challenge a fighter for the championship it should be fought at the limit. Regardless of how many weight classes you're moving up. If the opponents too big, don't make the fight. That would be the same as Roy Jones jr asking for a catchweight against Ruiz because he moved up two divisions. The middleweight division limit is 160.Not 155,56,57. If it's a non title fight that's different. But a champion shouldn't have to defend his belt giving his opponent unfair advantages.

you cant be serious. do you know how sluggish floyd would be at 160? Martinez should be able to come in at 160 and floyd weigh whats comfortable to him but over 150 mannys the catch weight king. floyd fight people for titles at their proper weightclass So you don't think Floyd weighs near 160 or more when not training? I'm saying it would be easier for him training wise to make 160, I made no reference to how fast he would be at that weight. If he has such an easy time making WW, why come in at 147 for a 145 catchweight fight against JMM? Personally, if he wants to fight Martinez in the first place, he needs to accept the fact that he is going to have to fight him at a weight really close to 160. Manny may be using catchweights but that is on his opponents for agreeing just to make a payday. Your statements that i embolded show that you are using contradictory statements to support your argument. "Floyd fights guys for their titles at the proper weight limits" Yet, if Floyd wants to fight Martinez for his titles, " Martinez should be able to come in at 160 and floyd weigh whats comfortable to him but over 150" but i'm assuming you are not really talking about fighting for the titles. I don't like the idea of catchweights, personally. Whatever they agree to is fine with me, I'd just like to see the fight.

I don't know about that. If you're moving up one weight class, then that's one thing. But if you're moving up more than one, then it should be at a catchweight otherwise you're at a huge disadvantage and its an unfair fight. I think Leonard did that before (made the fight at the SMW limit for the LHW title) when moving up from 160. I didn't see anything wrong with the Pacquiao-DLH meeting point either, since he moved up two weight classes. Martinez only moved up one class and still was outweighed by Pavlik almost 12 pounds and somehow still managed to win the titles. I think DLH killed himself by agreeing to the weight because he thought Pac would be an easy win, lol tough luck to him. If Floyd wants to fight Martinez (for his 160 pound titles) he should make that weight. I feel Floyd would have an easier time making 160 than 147 to begin with but since he does not really respect the belts anymore, a catchweight would be acceptable should Martinez agree. I know Martinez would agree but still this catchweight stuff is diluting the meaning of the weightclasses IMO.

There is nothing wrong with agreed compromised weights as long as it is not a strong advantage fo either fighter. So in that regard I am in agreement. But on a side note I seriously doubt Mayweather would ever fight Martinez.

Let the champion weigh in up to the limit if They chose. Intact it would probably benifit Floyd if Sergio came in heavy. Either way the champ should be allowed to weigh up to the limit if a title is on the line.

I dont think Floyd would demand a catchweight. He always wins titles at the OFFICIAL weight classes. No catchweight bullshit like Mr Pacquiao :)

This thread has like 6 topics going on all at once. Its a good read lot of good points on both sides.

I agree on all counts. If it's for the title it should be fought at the 160 limit.T hat goes for Mayweather or anybody else. I don't know about that. If you're moving up one weight class, then that's one thing. But if you're moving up more than one, then it should be at a catchweight otherwise you're at a huge disadvantage and its an unfair fight. I think Leonard did that before (made the fight at the SMW limit for the LHW title) when moving up from 160. I didn't see anything wrong with the Pacquiao-DLH meeting point either, since he moved up two weight classes.

Manny has no business asking Cotto for another catchweight under any circumstances, it's like asking a crippled guy for a lead in a foot race. I agree, if you want to fight the guy for his title at 154, then make that weight. Manny can make 147 and has proven that he can hold his own there....this catchweight stuff is getting old, why have weight divisions if people don't want to honor the limits?

You got Serg huh? I think he's going to have a hard time trying to figure out how to stop Floyds lead right. I think Floyd has a hard time dealing with the way Martinez moves when he punches, that sneaky left will land and could cut Floyd. I think this would be a great fight......I'd definitely pay to watch this one. :boxing:

Cotto said the weight wasn't a problem for him so where is the issue? If Floyd fighting Hatton was ok because Hatton said the weight wasn't a problem, then why was Cotto/Pac an issue even though Cotto said it was ok? couple of things Cotto said the weight wasn't a problem but fighting for the title AT that weight was.... http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content5353.html so again I commend Cotto highly for making the fight and really think it was a shit tactic by Manny or Bob to get Cotto to first agree to the weight then make it for his title why would Hatton say the weight was a factor when he openly said he would fight as a welterweight prior? when he announced he was making his US debut against Collazo he made no bones about possibly facing Mayweather after.

Manny has no business asking Cotto for another catchweight under any circumstances, it's like asking a crippled guy for a lead in a foot race. is this the right thread? you cant even criticize floyd in his own thread, but instead you go after...

in the end having any champ be restricted and then fight for their title is wrong. it was wrong when Oscar did it to BHop, it was wrong when Manny did it to Cotto,and it would be wrong if Mayweather did it to Martinez, regardless of how comfortable anyone thinks Martinez is at making 154 Simple. Easy to understand! I agree on all counts. If it's for the title it should be fought at the 160 limit. That goes for Mayweather or anybody else.

Little guy's can come up but dont make champions come down under there belts weight class or it should not count

cause he weighed in at 138 lbs against hatton? But he weighed 142 for the De La Hoya fight and fought effectively, and that was when he moved up two weight classes, so there's no excuse. He also looked bigger than DLH that night (even though he was a zombie, come on, the guy walks around at what, 170). If you're fighting for a world championship, you should fight at the weight limit. If not then why even fight for the title? Its a WW title, not a catch weight title. The only time that would be acceptable that is if a fighter is moving up more than one weight class (for example, 147 was a very reasonable meeting place for Pacquiao-De La Hoya). And Pac weighed in at 144 for the Cotto fight, so there's no reason why it shouldn't have been at 147. I think both "Pactards" and "Flomos" can agree that two lbs don't make a difference, correct? Both Pac-Cotto II and Floyd-Martinez should be at the limit (unless Floyd-Martinez is at 160 because as I said, its fine if you're moving up two weight classes).

Manny has no business asking Cotto for another catchweight under any circumstances, it's like asking a crippled guy for a lead in a foot race.

QUOTE=2501;8725291]Cotto said the weight wasn't a problem for him so where is the issue? If Floyd fighting Hatton was ok because Hatton said the weight wasn't a problem, then why was Cotto/Pac an issue even though Cotto said it was ok? What did you think he was going to say after signing the contract? And comparing this to Mayweather-Hatton is comical. It really is.